I don’t see any problem with ending existences.

Especially if you do it with a painless magic wand. (ha ha)

Let’s face it, there are some people who should have never been created
in the first place.

The idea that everyone is born cerebrally healthy and sane is absurd.

We know for a fact that this isn’t the case. Genetics screw up
sometimes. That’s a fact about the way we are built. All humans are
not created equal.

I would have absolutely no problem with having my existence ended.
Unlike so many other people, the gift of everlasting life is not all
that attractive to me. I think some people just have no clue how long
eternity can actually be. I’ve barely lived for over a half a century
and I’ve already had enough of this living crap.

I find value in everyone, even the mentally and phsyically ill. I don't
think anyone has the right to decide who lives or who dies based on
criteria that are completely out of our control. I can see executing
murderers, rapists and child molestors, but I can't see executing
someone who is insane or mentally retarded or not "normal" in some other
way.

well im not scared of dieing cause only my dieing will tell if there is
a place called hell. cause if hells hot that will be
cool and if hells hot will heaven be cold like the hearts of self
rightous biggots goin t heaven.my lucky numbers7 hope i get t hang in
between heaven and hell should be just right there

FAAAAARRRRROOOOOUUUUUTTT abra dont go and neck ya self mate ya might
find a godess t take ya t heaven here on earth.i reckon if i lived to be
as old as methuzela id be able t find plenty t keep myself amused just
think of all the SEX ya could have liven that long

Thank you spider. Since your post was soon after mine in this thread, I
mistakingly thought you were speaking to that one. It is easily done
here unless we paste the words from the post we are posting to. Thank
you again for the clarity.
Blessings.
Kat

i nominate spider to do all the executing of all those wicked people god
created you know rapists, murderers, child molesters and the like just
make sure ya bless ya soldiers .

kariZman,

I have no desire to kill anyone, regardless of their crimes. When
someone dies, their chances of being saved (assuming they aren't
already) drops to zero. I would rather see them imprisoned for life if
their crimes are so terrible. I was just voicing that I can understand
someone's support for the death penalty, although I personally don't
agree with that method of punishment.

In this topic of the Death penalty. i have something that has been on
my mind and it always comes to mind when it is discussed it Terri Shirvo
I think that was her name the woman who the Govt. decided that the
husband had the right to remove her feeding tubes.
I know the Blessings of Yahweh are upon her having to be tortured as she
was. To starve someone to death from what i know is about the worst
death you can have. I would call that pure hell. It is amazing that if a
convicted confessed serial killer the courts would be outraged if the
public demanded that we throw this individual into a cell and give them
no food or water and let them suffer this type of death. Yet we as a
people let our high courts decide it is alright to do this to a woman
who has done nothing wrong. Her hisband became the execusioner and
judge. He may claim that this was her wishes. But isn't thier a
difference between being kept alive artificaially )like breathing) and
being fed through a tube. Sorry but some posts sparked her death again
in my heart. It is heart breaking to me to say the least.. Shalom..
Miles

Milesoftheusa,

There were nurses who would testify that she could suck on ice and drink
water on her own. Florida's laws state that for someone to be starved
to death, they have to be completely unable to feed themselves at all.
Without holding a hearing to determine if she really could drink on her
own, they violated their own laws. That whole case made me sad, her
parents should have been allowed to care for her like they originally
requested.

I agree Spider. What was possibly wrong with giving control to her
parents. It makes me sick also.. Blessings, Shalom Miles

Spider wrote:
“I find value in everyone, even the mentally and phsyically ill.”

Since I was responding to Red I was assuming her moral values. In other
words, I was thinking only in terms of the criminally insane.

Actually Spider, the more you post the more I’m convinced just how wrong
the Christian picture has to be. People who are born criminally insane
are not responsible for their condition. They didn’t choose to be that
way. How can such a person be ‘saved’? It’s not their choice to be
criminally insane. This is simply the way that god created them. The
‘blame’ for their situation falls squarely on the shoulders of god and
no one else.

Moreover, who would such a person be if they did repent and go to
heaven? Would they remain being who they are, or would they be
converted into a mentally stable person in heaven? If they are
converted into a mentally healthy person in heaven then are they the
same person they were before? Moreover, if people are converted into
healthy spirits once they go to heaven then why should god care about
any criteria to enter heaven in the first place? The whole picture
makes no sense at all.

Looking at the same picture via the god I know everything makes perfect
sense. All humans are not created equal. But it matters not because
life is just a fleeting illusion. We are actually spirit and the entire
physical world is just an illusion that we play in. Everyone will be
born again in another life, a myriad of times over. Everyone
experiences everything. No one ever goes to hell or departs from god
because none of that is even possible.

There are no egos to be saved. We are all one with god. No individual
‘souls’ to be saved. That whole individual ego picture just makes no
sense at all. Especially with a concept of an eternal hell thrown in.
However, if we view that religion as having been created by men for the
purpose of keeping people in line via fear then it makes perfect sense.
As a religion of an all-loving deity it makes no sense at all.

On the topic of euthanasia, I think it’s totally disgusting that, as a
people, we allow criminals to be put out of their misery with a lethal
injection, whilst we make decent people suffer physical pain and agony
forcing them to die a “natural death”.

Death is no bid deal. It’s the NATURAL end of life.

Why are people so frigging paranoid about death?

Get over it already!

Abracadabra,

You only feel that way, because you don't understand Christianity. You
talk about Jesus, but you don't know his message. You talk about God,
but you don't understand him.

1) God doesn't make someone criminially insane. It's called genetics.
Jesus maintains the natural laws of the universe, but the universe is
allowed to run mostly on it's own, like the big dumb machine that it is.
So genetics do play a huge role in what our lives are like.

2) Jesus taught that people would be judged fairly and only for what
they know. For that reason, I expect to see anyone who died as a child,
mentally retarded people and some insane people in heaven. Each person
is responsible only for what they understand and control. If someone
can't control themselves, I don't believe they will be found guilty for
that.

3) Our brain is merely a filter for the light of our souls. Damaged or
incorrectly funtioning brains (and all brains don't function as well as
they should) will not be a problem in Heaven. So I believe everyone in
Heaven will be extremely smart and to be missing all emotional, chemical
and mental inbalances.

The more I read your posts, the more convinced I become that you are
simply trying to run away from God. You better hope that sea creature
doesn't swallow you, you might not be as lucky as Jonah.

Abracadabra,

Valuing human life isn't paranoia. That's quite the leap of logic
there, don't you think?

I don't like to go there, have avoided this topic as much as I possibly
could. I plainly don't agree with killing people, whether it is abortion
or a lethal injection or anything.
But at the end of the day, if somebody really wants to die because
his/her suffering is too much to bear, they should have a choice, it is
their lives and they have to live it.

Which part of human life do you value the most?

The physical body?
The spiritual self?
The soul that is the condiut?

Should the physical body die which part continues on?

AB, you should know that for me the spirit is the most valuable part.

invisible,

What makes democracy so wonderful is that everyone gets a say. I
wouldn't support euthanasia, but I wouldn't have a problem with seeing a
vote on it. If it got enough votes to pass, I would disagree with it,
never do it myself, and hope for it's repeal but I think the idea should
be voted upon.

Well, as I said it's a place I don't like to go to.
I'm German, and whatever I did, where ever I lived, the terrible past
seemed to keep up with me. I was born long after the war, but people
just kept talking about Germans being Nazis and everything that went
with it. It made me sensitive to the outlook on life, and who should be
able to decide. I can't, from my heart, through my upbringing not make
such a decision, only for myself.

Spirit, soul, body. In that order. And since I am most concerned about
someone's soul, I would hate to see them do something with possibly
eternal consequences like commit suicide.