Milesoftheusa,

Yes and I believe that. So where did I say you don't have to do what is
in the Bible? Please don't go back to Sabbath and diet.

Do you do your REQUIRED BY THE LAW Lamb sacrifice at the Temple every
year (kind of hard to do, since the Temple was destroyed in 70AD, but
it's required by the law nonetheless)? Do you do your required by the
law sin sacrifice every day that you sin? If you aren't, then you
aren't keeping the law.

Because I know that animal sacrifices, Sabbath and the dietary
requirements were the shadow of Jesus, I know that by believing in
Jesus, I am keeping those laws.

I'm done. I'm not discussing this issue anymore. I know what I know
and I have shared it with you.

Jesus wrote the bible?

Not a single word did he write.

Paul is not Jesus.
Mark is not Jesus.
John is not Jesus.
Matthew is not Jesus.

Not a single book in the bible says The Gospel of Jesus in his own hand.

Someone once said tha Paul or Peter or some such person wrote 2/3 of the
Bible. HELLO the bible Old Testement 75% (Nary a word from the
disciples in this section) the Net Testement 25% (lets see 2/3 ves 1/4
DUH)

Jesus was a man. He passed on long before any words were ever written
to become the New Testement.

Went to the father or died either way he was not present.

AdventureBegins,

Jesus IS God, not a man. You are not God, you are dust. Jesus wrote
the Bible by inspiring others to record his message. Every single
letter was written by Jesus.

Prove it. I see not his signature. I do however see many of the works
of man clounding his Message of Grace. That book has been usurped by
the chruch for a long time now, More than a thousand years of defilement
by the very men he passed his message on to.

I am God in the same way that Jesus was.

He was the spiritual message of God.

This is so cool! I thought Jesus was Palestinian -- didn't speak
English. What do we know about his education? I'll bet he spoke Spanish,
too. Way cool!

Jesus spoke Greek, with some Arameic.
Kat

Why do people believe that the Bible is the word of God?

Where in the Bible does it say this?

Moreover, how could it say it?

The book is a collection of various differnet scriptures that were
collected together by the choices of men.

So seriously, why does anyone believe that the Bible is solely the word
of God and nothing else?

Where exactly is this written?

How can the Bible possibly refer to itself as the word of God when it
wasn’t even written as one contiguous document?

On the topic of Hell,

What good would Hell be to God?

By that I mean, what purpose would it serve God to send people to
eternal damnation?

Why not just let them perish in peace into non-existence?

What good would it do God to send people to suffer for eternity?

This makes absolutely no sense at all unless God is some kind of Sadist
and feeds on the agony of others.

I’m serious. I’m not asking these questions to take a stab at
Christianity.

I’m quite serious.

What GOOD would it do God to send people to eternal damnation?

And if it isn’t doing God any good then why even bother with it in the
first place?

To me, these are VERY GENUINE questions that NEED to be answered.

And for me, the answer that I have come to accept is that the religion
is simply not true.

I don’t say these things to bash Christianity.

I offer them as food for thought to anyone who is genuinely concerned
about enlightenment and not merely with following some archaic beliefs
blindly.

I think questions like these are important to ask. I also believe that
they are so important that if God had genuinely written the Bible he
would have offered REASONS for this crap. The fact that no reasons are
given suggests to me that the Bible was merely written by controlling
men who were very vehement about NOT QUESTIONING GOD, which really meant
that they didn’t want to have to explain what they wrote.

Just shut up and behave yourself and don’t ask questions!

That’s the mentality behind “blind faith”.

I don’t believe that god wants people blindly come to him.

And I don’t believe that god has any need to see people suffer.

To me god is just so far above all of the petty nonsense that’s written
in the Bible. This is why I can’t buy into it. When viewed from the
point of view of having been written by men who were attempting to keep
the masses under their thumbs it makes perfect sense. When viewed as
having been written by an all-loving god it makes no sense at all.

For those here who believe in the power of prayer, and for those who
don't, please know that our Lisa is in Benjamin Texas and being hammered
by a dangerous storm. See "I am so Afraid" thread in Current Events.

Oceans

Hi, Kat,

Well I thought it was something like that. But then he could not have
written the Bible, right?

Is the Bible just a collection of legends, myths and fables? Could men
have conspired to write a book that has deceived millions down through
the ages? That would have to be the greatest conspiracy ever! What
profit would these conspirators gain by such a project?

No, the Bible is not a plot of conspirators. The fact is, the Bible was
written by forty different writers over a period of fifteen hundred
years, most of whom never met or talked to each other. In reality, most
of the writers never talked to nor saw each other or had seen what the
other had written. How did this unity come about then? God wrote it
through them.


From cover to cover, these writers claimed that God gave them every
word. Psalms 68:11 says, "God gave the word, great was the company of
those who published it." The Apostle Paul said, "All scripture is given
by inspiration of God (God-breathed) ..." (II Timothy 3:16). Peter
claimed, "We have not followed cunningly devised fables ... We have a
more sure word of prophecy ... For the prophecy came not in old time by
the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the
Holy Ghost." (II Peter 1:16-21).

However, skeptics deny and atheists defy this teaching. They can only
suggest that well meaning or good men wrote the Bible. The words, "Thus
saith the Lord" appear over three hundred times. What "good" man would
lie three hundred times and then say lying is a sin?
Others have suggested that evil and bad men wrote it to deceive and
control people. This is not possible. What "bad" man would list every
single sin that man is capable of committing as well as those in the
heart where no one sees? This is not natural. What "bad" man would write
the consequences of those sins to the unrepentant? What "bad" man would
record the true stories of men and nations who did sin willingly against
God and the horrible punishments which resulted? Who would stress
morals, convictions and standards that are only righteous, if they were
bad? No, bad men did not write the Bible.

If neither good nor bad men wrote the Bible, then who did? Some suggest
intellectual people did it, but we will see that the most intellectual
of men could not pull off the feats of knowledge contained in the Holy
Writ! The authors of the books in the Bible came from nineteen different
occupations which included a soldier, Egyptian prince, housewife,
priest, king, queen, rich farmer, poor farmer, scribe, prophets, prime
minister's cupbearer, tax collector, evangelist, physician, wealthy
fisherman, poor fisherman, carpenters, and a tent maker. Obviously they
were not all intellectual and many had no education at all. Only an
all-knowing God could have written the Bible.
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History tells us that almost without exception, the early popes opposed
the reading and translating of Bibles. In 1199 Pope Innocent III ordered
the burning of all Bibles.

John Wycliffe dedicated his life in the 1300s translating the Bible into
the language of common folk. He was the first to translate it into
English. He then sent preachers throughout England to preach it. He was
hated by organized religion for this. Being a threat to their
soul-slavery machine which kept the people from the truth, they levied
threats and accusations against him. When Wycliffe died, the "Church"
said of him, "That pestilent wretch, John Wycliffe, the son of the old
serpent the forerunner of Antichrist, who had completed his iniquity by
inventing a new translation of the Scriptures." Forty four years after
his death, Pope Clement VIII ordered his grave torn up, the coffin and
skeleton taken to the River Swift, where a fire was kindled and his
bones were burned, the ashes were then thrown into the river.

William Tyndale of the 1600s was probably the greatest of all Bible
translators. He said, "If God spares my life, ere many years, I will
cause the boy that drives the plough to know the Scriptures." The
political and religious leaders of his day had him strangled and then
burnt at the stake.

Though both he and Wycliffe suffered martyrdom for the faith, their
names live on today. Wycliffe Translators and Tyndale Publishers still
thrive today publishing the Word Of God!=====

The hammers of political, religious, and philosophical persecution still
beat against the anvil of God's Word, but it is the anvil that wears out
the hammers!
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The Bible's scientific statements are true. The Bible says the earth is
round! Isaiah 40:22 says, "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth ..." How did Isaiah know this seven hundred years BEFORE Christ?
Man did not discover this till 1492 when Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
Columbus gave credit to the Word of God for leading him to sail. The
Bible was two thousand years ahead of science!

Once the scientists were convinced that the earth rested upon something.
They suggested the back of a turtle that was slowly plodding through
space! Mythology thought that maybe Atlas held the earth on his
shoulders. But in Job 26:7 it is written, "He stretcheth out the north
over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing ... ." This was
not accepted as a scientific fact until Sir Isaac Newton in 1687, three
thousand years after Job stated it!

By the time of Christ, scientists believed that there were one 1,028
stars in the heavens. Then came Ptolemy in A.D. 150 and he said there
were 1,056. It was not until Galileo, in the 1600s, used a telescope to
show that they are in fact innumerable. Yet in Genesis 15:5, God said to
Abraham, "Look now toward heaven; tell the stars if thou be able to
number them: so shall thy seed be." This statement was made two thousand
five hundred years before Galileo.

How? Because God, the Creator, wrote the Bible! Many other scientific
facts could be brought out here, but space does not permit.

Kat

YES SCTTBRIAN YES!

Agnostics take glee in referring to "hundreds of historical mistakes" in
the Bible a century ago. Then came the science of archeology. Only a
bigot or an ignoramus would now deny the historical merits of God's
Word. For instance, archeology has long established that the lower
Tigris Euphrates Valley in Mesopotamia was the birthplace of
civilization. The Bible says this is the location of the Garden of Eden.

Ur of the Chaldees was once scoffed at as being a fictitious place. C.
L. Wooley's excavations in 1922 have made Ur one of the most known
ancient sites of our time. Genesis 11 says this was the birthplace of
Abraham!

Sodom and Gommorah (Genesis 18-19) is the leading center for the mining
of potash today in Israel! William Albright found in his work that a
dense population of people in these towns perished abruptly around 2000
B.C. in an earthquake and an explosion.

Halley's Bible Commentary lists almost one hundred other archaeological
findings that verify the historical accuracy of the Bible, GOD'S WORD!

One of special interest is the repentance of a large city named Ninevah
in the days of Jonah, the prophet. Many scoff at the idea of a man being
swallowed by a big fish (though it has happened more than once).
However, history has proven that during his days, Shalmaneser II, the
king of Ninevah, and that whole city (twice the size of Buffalo) had a
religious awakening and turned to the God Nebo, which was the Assyrian
name for the Hebrew Elohim found in Genesis 1:1.

Kat

I', truly sorry. The words bigot and ignoramus should never have come
out.
It should have been only those that refuse to believe, and find joy in
refuting truths that they cannot see. Again, I apologize.
Kat

What are you appologizing for? Who do you think is offended?
I'm not..

THANK YOU KAT AND SINCE GOD WROTE THE BIBLE IT IS ALSO GOD WHO SAYS
THERE IS A HEAVEN AND HELL AND IF YOU DO NOT CONFESS YOUR SINS TO HIM
ASK HIM TO BECOME YOUR PERSONEL SAVIOR THEN HELL IS WHERE YOU WILL GO
THANK YOU READ THE GOSPEL OF JOHN THE PARABLE OF THE GOATS AND SHEEP IF
YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME.

I NOT EITHER KAT

Here's a great site with historical evidence for the Bible.

http://www.pytlik.com/observe/deliverus/acrobat/08-bible_history.pdf

Fri 06/01/07 05:24 PM
THANK YOU KAT AND SINCE GOD WROTE THE BIBLE IT IS ALSO GOD WHO SAYS
THERE IS A HEAVEN AND HELL AND IF YOU DO NOT CONFESS YOUR SINS TO HIM
ASK HIM TO BECOME YOUR PERSONEL SAVIOR THEN HELL IS WHERE YOU WILL GO
THANK YOU READ THE GOSPEL OF JOHN THE PARABLE OF THE GOATS AND SHEEP IF
YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME.

I NOT EITHER KAT ======
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What??? I do and hace many times. Just this morning as a matter of fact.
Why would you tell me that? Do you not think I am a Godly woman? That I
do not pray when I say? I do, I assure you. And ask forgiveness and give
my heart to Him daily.
Kat

SORRY KAT THAT WAS NOT TO YOU