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Topic: Proving God Does Exist
Peachiepoohie's photo
Tue 09/22/09 02:20 AM
This really is good...and a logial standpoint on the age old question "Does God Exist?"

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The professor of a university challenged his students with this question. "Did God create everything that exists?" A student answered bravely, "Yes, he did".

The professor then asked, "If God created everything, then he created evil. Since evil exists (as noticed by our own actions), so God is evil. The student couldn't respond to that statement causing the professor to conclude that he had "proved" that "belief in God" was a fairy tale, and therefore worthless.

Another student raised his hand and asked the professor, "May I pose a question? " "Of course" answered the professor.

The young student stood up and asked : "Professor does Cold exists?"

The professor answered, "What kind of question is that? ...Of course the cold exists... haven't you ever been cold?"

The young student answered, "In fact sir, Cold does not exist. According to the laws of Physics, what we consider cold, in fact is the absence of heat. Anything is able to be studied as long as it transmits energy (heat). Absolute Zero is the total absence of heat, but cold does not exist. What we have done is create a term to describe how we feel if we don't have body heat or we are not hot."

"And, does Dark exist?", he continued. The professor answered "Of course". This time the student responded, "Again you're wrong, Sir. Darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in fact simply the absence of light. Light can be studied, darkness can not. Darkness cannot be broken down. A simple ray of light tears the darkness and illuminates the surface where the light beam finishes. Dark is a term that we humans have created to describe what happens when there's lack of light."

Finally, the student asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?" The professor replied, "Of course it exists, as I mentioned at the beginning, we see violations, crimes and violence anywhere in the world, and those things are evil."

The student responded, “Sir, Evil does not exist. Just as in the previous cases, Evil is a term which man has created to describe the result of the absence of God's presence in the hearts of man.

After this, the professor bowed down his head, and didn't answer back.

earthytaurus76's photo
Tue 09/22/09 02:22 AM
Edited by earthytaurus76 on Tue 09/22/09 02:30 AM
wait, not the one I had, whats that sposed to mean? God doesnt exist cos you cant see him?


So we dont feel, because feelings are not visible?


Gravity doesnt exist cos you cant see it?


God is just symantics?


What is the point of this?


Nothing exists.. its just all terms?

Jess642's photo
Tue 09/22/09 02:31 AM
So which of the 937 643 gods exists?

Or do all of them?


Or none of them?


Or some of them?

Or is there a god club, with exclusive high roller sections...that only let some gods exist?




(You can see why my Professors loved me!)laugh



Paddyreus's photo
Tue 09/22/09 02:35 AM
this stuff is confusing

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Tue 09/22/09 02:35 AM
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, the Almighty. He asks one of his new students to stand and…..

Professor: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.

Professor: Is God good?

Student: Sure.

Professor: Is God all-powerful?

Student: Yes.

Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn’t. How is this God good then? Hm?

Student: (Silent.)

Professor: You can’t answer, can you? Let’s start again, young fellow. Is God good?

Student: Yes.

Professor: Is Satan good?

Student: No

Professor: Where does Satan come from?

Student: From…God..

Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student: Yes.

Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything. Correct?

Student: Yes.

Professor: So who created evil?

Student: (Silent.)

Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?

Student: Yes, sir.

Professor: So, who created them?

Student: (Silent.)

Professor: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and serve the world around you. Tell me, son…Have you ever seen God?

Student: No, sir.

Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student: No, sir.

Professor: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelled your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student: No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.

Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student: Yes.

Professor: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Professor: Yes.

Student: And is there such a thing as cold?

Professor: Yes.

Student: No sir. There isn’t.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events)

Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have any thing called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre)

Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?

Student: You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light…. But, if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it is called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

Professor: (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class is in uproar)

Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter)

Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelled it?…..No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student)

Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.

Student: That is it, sir.. The link between man & God is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.

That young man was ALBERT EINSTEIN…….

Peachiepoohie's photo
Tue 09/22/09 02:45 AM
Um, earthytaurus...I hate to disappoint you, but this fantastically logical arguement as proof of "God's" Existence was not written by ALBERT EINSTIEN.

FROM http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/religion/a/einstein_god.htm

This apocryphal tale of a young Albert Einstein proving the existence of God to his atheist professor first began circulating in 2004. One reason we know it isn't true is that the same story was already making the rounds five years earlier with no mention of Einstein in it whatsoever.

Another reason we know it isn't true is that Einstein was a self-described agnostic who didn't believe in what he called a "personal God." He wrote: "...the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

And, finally, we know it isn't true because Einstein was a careful thinker who would never have put forward the specious logic attributed to him above. As written, the argument neither disproves the existence of evil, nor proves the existence of God.

Peachiepoohie's photo
Tue 09/22/09 02:46 AM
And I still believe that it's mot a light bulb,,it's a dark sucker

earthytaurus76's photo
Tue 09/22/09 02:54 AM
Edited by earthytaurus76 on Tue 09/22/09 02:55 AM

Um, earthytaurus...I hate to disappoint you, but this fantastically logical arguement as proof of "God's" Existence was not written by ALBERT EINSTIEN.

FROM http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/religion/a/einstein_god.htm

This apocryphal tale of a young Albert Einstein proving the existence of God to his atheist professor first began circulating in 2004. One reason we know it isn't true is that the same story was already making the rounds five years earlier with no mention of Einstein in it whatsoever.

Another reason we know it isn't true is that Einstein was a self-described agnostic who didn't believe in what he called a "personal God." He wrote: "...the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

And, finally, we know it isn't true because Einstein was a careful thinker who would never have put forward the specious logic attributed to him above. As written, the argument neither disproves the existence of evil, nor proves the existence of God.




Lol you dont know what Einstein believed and when. While he attended college he denounced his Jewish faith.

He still believed in a God. ANYway, I dont care if peter pan wrote the story. IMO yours doesnt hold water.

Beyond that.. Why does it matter who wrote it, where it came from? It is a story.


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Tue 09/22/09 03:01 AM
the problem with the whole first argument is that god is also a term used to describe the things we can not explain

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Tue 09/22/09 03:06 AM

This really is good...and a logial standpoint on the age old question "Does God Exist?"

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You canceled out the meaning of your own blog.

Jess642's photo
Tue 09/22/09 03:07 AM


This really is good...and a logial standpoint on the age old question "Does God Exist?"

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You canceled out the meaning of your own blog.


Hahahah!!!! You noticed that too? :wink: laugh laugh

DonnieDarko's photo
Tue 09/22/09 03:08 AM



This really is good...and a logial standpoint on the age old question "Does God Exist?"

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You canceled out the meaning of your own blog.


Hahahah!!!! You noticed that too? :wink: laugh laugh

good call

earthytaurus76's photo
Tue 09/22/09 03:13 AM
Edited by earthytaurus76 on Tue 09/22/09 03:14 AM
If in fact it were Einstein, he had Spinozan beliefs, in adulthood and had written many things and songs about it, but reserved many jewish beliefs still.

TexasScoundrel's photo
Tue 09/22/09 03:19 AM
According to the book of Isaiah god did create evil.

This argument isn't logic. It's a word game.

How about this?

The creation of the universe is the greatest accomplishment of all time.

The creator of the universe is the greatest thing one can imagine.

The greater the handicap of the creator, the greater the achievement.

The creator must have the greatest handicap to accomplish the greatest achievement.

The greatest handicap is nonexistence.


Jess642's photo
Tue 09/22/09 03:20 AM
Which creator? huh

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Tue 09/22/09 03:22 AM

If in fact it were Einstein, he had Spinozan beliefs, in adulthood and had written many things and songs about it, but reserved many jewish beliefs still.
HE wrote songs? oh I gotta see this.... if this is true, I DARE you to bring it here- I wanna see it!

earthytaurus76's photo
Tue 09/22/09 03:24 AM
I dont think that a creator would come to every individual in the exact same way, as all are different.



If he is in fact God and anything is possible in him, then he could manifest himself whichever way he wanted.


My God comes to me in many ways.



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Tue 09/22/09 03:27 AM
Oh God,here's a thought, my brain hurts just reading this.

TexasScoundrel's photo
Tue 09/22/09 03:29 AM

Which creator? huh


The one that cannot exist.

earthytaurus76's photo
Tue 09/22/09 03:29 AM
Einstein had written poetry.


You dont believe he could compose a song?



Poetry in motion for Einstein scholar
1 May 2009
One hundred and thirty years after Albert Einstein was born, his poetry is being given a scholarly treatment – by a New Zealand-based academic.

Dr Norman Franke, a senior lecturer at the University of Waikato, has completed what is thought to be the first comprehensive scholarly analysis of the scientist's poems. He heads to Frankfurt in July for a conference and will stop in the US for Einstein-related poetry research.

Einstein's poetry is a little known facet of his creativity, Dr Franke says. He has just had an essay published entitled: Albert Einstein als Dichter. Zugleich ein Versuch über das, wovon man nicht sprechen kann. (Albert Einstein as a poet. An essay concerning his poetry including some aspects one must remain silent about). It was published recently in: Jahrbuch der Deutschen Schillergesellschaft, a German literature periodical.

Dr Franke believes it's high time to take a closer look at Einstein the poet and says the 130th anniversary of Einstein's birth is a good time to reflect upon the Nobel Prize winner's contribution to society. "Einstein has shaped our modern understanding of the physical world more than any other person. He is widely regarded as one of the greatest geniuses ever and technology such as nuclear power, space travel and the laser would not have been possible without him. His political ideas, too, had a considerable impact on 20th century history," says the German-born Dr Franke.

"Some recent Einstein biographers have occasionally included some of his verse in their biographies. But Einstein's poetry has usually fallen between the cracks; scientists have not been interested enough in his poetry, and even literature or cultural studies experts have not taken Einstein's musical and literary interests seriously."

Einstein wrote more than 400 poems throughout his career, often in his letters to famous contemporaries such as Jewish linguist and historian Abraham Shalon Yahuda, American novelist Upton Sinclair or Queen Elisabeth of Belgium. "Although it's not on a par with his scientific and political writings, Einstein's lyrical poetry helps us to better understand his social and political networking as well as his personality," Dr Franke says. The overwhelming majority of Einstein's poems is casual and humorous.

He says the Nobel Prize winner also frequently scribbled his poetry in the margins of his scientific works, but wrote poems about scientific or philosophical problems only on rare but important occasions.

His poetry is also notable for what it doesn’t say – it neither engaged with the trends of contemporary modern European poets, nor attempted to answer any metaphysical or spiritual questions.

Dr Franke who has studied and worked at Hamburg University; Southern Illinois University, USA; Reading, UK, and Humboldt Berlin, is a senior lecturer in the Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences at the University of Waikato. He is travelling to Europe and America, leaving New Zealand in June.



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