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Topic: Cool! Sin Tax being floated as an idea.!
adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Wed 09/09/09 09:41 PM
who do you think buys the most tobacco and sugar products ADj, if peole use their heads they don't have to go with out. I am no where near middle class anymore, and I am not hurting one bit by the tax hike in cigs, in fact I am paying so much less for them I should have thought of it before. As for sugar there are many things you can do to cut back on sugar, and it's actually gonna make you healthier. Don't want to cut down an sugar, well then there are still ways to get enough sugar with out freaking out over a few cents. I live in a town where there are tons of poor people. Frankly they laugh at city folks freaking out. They knew years ago how to live on less and still be quite content. This president is not going to be able to keep every word as promised, even if he still wants to, I am sure he got quite and education on the kind of opposition he was going to get to his promises, so if he doesnt keep a few I am not going to call him a liar. I've had to break a few promises in my own life, does that make me a liar? No it just means that I wasn't able to keep that particular promise. This president is up against every kind of ugly attitude a human can lay on one person. I admire the fact that he can hold up under pressure like he does. that is not the issue here the point is he is raising taxes on the things that more lower income people buy thus he is breaking his promise thus he lied and if ones word is no good then what good are they

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Wed 09/09/09 09:41 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday. The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000. This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich. To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1

boo2u Joined Mon 11/24/08 Posts: 5249	Wed 09/09/09 09:45 PM
who do you think buys the most tobacco and sugar products ADj, if peole use their heads they don't have to go with out. I am no where near middle class anymore, and I am not hurting one bit by the tax hike in cigs, in fact I am paying so much less for them I should have thought of it before. As for sugar there are many things you can do to cut back on sugar, and it's actually gonna make you healthier. Don't want to cut down an sugar, well then there are still ways to get enough sugar with out freaking out over a few cents. I live in a town where there are tons of poor people. Frankly they laugh at city folks freaking out. They knew years ago how to live on less and still be quite content. This president is not going to be able to keep every word as promised, even if he still wants to, I am sure he got quite and education on the kind of opposition he was going to get to his promises, so if he doesnt keep a few I am not going to call him a liar. I've had to break a few promises in my own life, does that make me a liar? No it just means that I wasn't able to keep that particular promise. This president is up against every kind of ugly attitude a human can lay on one person. I admire the fact that he can hold up under pressure like he does. that is not the issue here the point is he is raising taxes on the things that more lower income people buy thus he is breaking his promise thus he lied and if ones word is no good then what good are they What can I say....

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Wed 09/09/09 09:47 PM
boo...if I remember correctly. you and I both were hollering about the tobacco price. The only reason you are paying less is because I told you about rolling your own.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Wed 09/09/09 09:48 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday. The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000. This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich. To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1 Only the foolish thought that this meant NO taxes. I am an optimist and was smarter than believing that in the government they can separate out the energy or cig tax for only the income of 250,000 or more. Taxes are not even built income oriented except with income and payroll type taxes. So it was foolish to believe that in the first place. I think he meant the income taxes, I took it to mean that he meant the income taxes and payroll type taxes. I never thought of all the other taxes because they are not built to be income sensitive. I knew that much.

boo2u Joined Mon 11/24/08 Posts: 5249	Wed 09/09/09 09:50 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday. The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000. This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich. To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1 Again Adj, I don't think he was even focusing on cigs and sugar, but again you don't like the guy so I won't keep arguing it. Liar to you. Not to me.

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Wed 09/09/09 09:50 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday. The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000. This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich. To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1 Only the foolish thought that this meant NO taxes. I am an optimist and was smarter than believing that in the government they can separate out the energy or cig tax for only the income of 250,000 or more. Taxes are not even built income oriented except with income and payroll type taxes. So it was foolish to believe that in the first place. I think he meant the income taxes, I took it to mean that he meant the income taxes and payroll type taxes. I never thought of all the other taxes because they are not built to be income sensitive. I knew that much. do not forget to touch your nose to the floor as you bow down while on your knees he said it he lied plain and simple

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Wed 09/09/09 09:52 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday. The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000. This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich. To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1 Again Adj, I don't think he was even focusing on cigs and sugar, but again you don't like the guy so I won't keep arguing it. Liar to you. Not to me. do not even begin to tell me what i think nor who i like or dislike i do not like nor dislike him obviously you forgot my posts from when he got elected the facts speak for themselves

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Wed 09/09/09 09:54 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday. The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000. This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich. To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1 Only the foolish thought that this meant NO taxes. I am an optimist and was smarter than believing that in the government they can separate out the energy or cig tax for only the income of 250,000 or more. Taxes are not even built income oriented except with income and payroll type taxes. So it was foolish to believe that in the first place. I think he meant the income taxes, I took it to mean that he meant the income taxes and payroll type taxes. I never thought of all the other taxes because they are not built to be income sensitive. I knew that much. do not forget to touch your nose to the floor as you bow down while on your knees he said it he lied plain and simple It's not even like that at all. It makes sense that taxes cannot be divided by income levels except with income taxes and payroll taxes. People should have known that if they are paying them, right? I knew it to mean income taxes and payroll type taxes. So I was not lead astray.

boo2u Joined Mon 11/24/08 Posts: 5249	Wed 09/09/09 09:58 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday. The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000. This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich. To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1 Again Adj, I don't think he was even focusing on cigs and sugar, but again you don't like the guy so I won't keep arguing it. Liar to you. Not to me. do not even begin to tell me what i think nor who i like or dislike i do not like nor dislike him obviously you forgot my posts from when he got elected the facts speak for themselves Oh for heaven sakes don't get you shorts in a knot.

jeffterry Joined Thu 08/27/09 Posts: 50	Wed 09/09/09 09:59 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday. The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000. This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich. To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1 Again Adj, I don't think he was even focusing on cigs and sugar, but again you don't like the guy so I won't keep arguing it. Liar to you. Not to me. do not even begin to tell me what i think nor who i like or dislike i do not like nor dislike him obviously you forgot my posts from when he got elected the facts speak for themselves a simple statement "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." "ANY" taxes thats a broad statement. If i remember correctly those taxes on tobacco were made into law months before he took office. Maybe I'm wrong?

boo2u Joined Mon 11/24/08 Posts: 5249	Wed 09/09/09 10:03 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday. The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000. This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich. To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1 Again Adj, I don't think he was even focusing on cigs and sugar, but again you don't like the guy so I won't keep arguing it. Liar to you. Not to me. do not even begin to tell me what i think nor who i like or dislike i do not like nor dislike him obviously you forgot my posts from when he got elected the facts speak for themselves a simple statement "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." "ANY" taxes thats a broad statement. If i remember correctly those taxes on tobacco were made into law months before he took office. Maybe I'm wrong? Oh hell Obama is responsible for taxes back 10 years ago too I am sure. Our state representatives couldn't wait to raise taxes locally on cigs and did 2 times before Obama's.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Wed 09/09/09 10:09 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday. The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000. This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich. To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1 Again Adj, I don't think he was even focusing on cigs and sugar, but again you don't like the guy so I won't keep arguing it. Liar to you. Not to me. do not even begin to tell me what i think nor who i like or dislike i do not like nor dislike him obviously you forgot my posts from when he got elected the facts speak for themselves a simple statement "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." "ANY" taxes thats a broad statement. If i remember correctly those taxes on tobacco were made into law months before he took office. Maybe I'm wrong? The ball started rolling in Bush's time on that tax for sure. I am not sure if Obama had anything to do with it other than implementing the final version.

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Wed 09/09/09 10:11 PM
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2 the SCHIP bill that increased tobacco was introduced Jan 13, 2009 and signed Feb 4 2009

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Wed 09/09/09 10:22 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday. The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000. This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich. To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1 Again Adj, I don't think he was even focusing on cigs and sugar, but again you don't like the guy so I won't keep arguing it. Liar to you. Not to me. do not even begin to tell me what i think nor who i like or dislike i do not like nor dislike him obviously you forgot my posts from when he got elected the facts speak for themselves Oh for heaven sakes don't get you shorts in a knot. dont say things about me that are untrue to try and belittle my posts

boo2u Joined Mon 11/24/08 Posts: 5249	Wed 09/09/09 10:31 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday. The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000. This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich. To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1 Again Adj, I don't think he was even focusing on cigs and sugar, but again you don't like the guy so I won't keep arguing it. Liar to you. Not to me. do not even begin to tell me what i think nor who i like or dislike i do not like nor dislike him obviously you forgot my posts from when he got elected the facts speak for themselves Oh for heaven sakes don't get you shorts in a knot. dont say things about me that are untrue to try and belittle my posts Oh so you like Obama?. I think if you belittle our president and call him a liar, your bound to get a little backlash. I said you didn't like the guy because I have never seen you say anything good about him. I couldn't have been too far off.

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Wed 09/09/09 10:31 PM
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2 the SCHIP bill that increased tobacco was introduced Jan 13, 2009 and signed Feb 4 2009 passing of the bill feb 4th that means obama signed it thus he raised the tax he could have vetoed it

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Wed 09/09/09 10:33 PM
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2 the SCHIP bill that increased tobacco was introduced Jan 13, 2009 and signed Feb 4 2009 Did you see all the good the bill does? I would excuse him raising that tax just for those benefits to the children. It was introduced before Obama was in office too. Obama was sworn in on Jan 20th.

jeffterry Joined Thu 08/27/09 Posts: 50	Wed 09/09/09 10:36 PM
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2 the SCHIP bill that increased tobacco was introduced Jan 13, 2009 and signed Feb 4 2009 To amend title XXI of the Social Security Act to extend and improve the Children's Health Insurance Program, and for other purposes. Wrong link?

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Wed 09/09/09 10:36 PM
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2 the SCHIP bill that increased tobacco was introduced Jan 13, 2009 and signed Feb 4 2009 Did you see all the good the bill does? I would excuse him raising that tax just for those benefits to the children. It was introduced before Obama was in office too. Obama was sworn in on Jan 20th. but he signed it (he could have vetoed it) [thus he lied] and yeah make it for the children and it is ok we need to execute anyone on social security so the money can be used for the children and many will agree cause it is for the children