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that sounds a lot like kim u nis uim communisms lil cousin   it's not a form of government silly....it's a form of religion. now worship me for the goddess I am
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that sounds a lot like kim u nis uim communisms lil cousin it's not a form of government silly....it's a form of religion. now worship me for the goddess I am sorry my dear i worship no human you would not happen to be an alien lizard being would you
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who do you think buys the most tobacco and sugar products uh oh that would be me how about salt? can't we tax salt? thats bad for you |
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that sounds a lot like kim u nis uim communisms lil cousin it's not a form of government silly....it's a form of religion. now worship me for the goddess I am sorry my dear i worship no human you would not happen to be an alien lizard being would you according to some...I am
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hey cloudy
yer dream girl  |
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Geeze, no matter if I support the dud or not, I catch grief from one or two BHOBNers.
I'm beginnin' to think it might be personal. Good thing I have thick skin and know, when the attacks are personal, I've won the argument. He said, it's a good idea and for the very first time, I agree with him. |
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Edited by
boo2u
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well explain how i am interpreting it he said what no taxes of any kind not a dime his words interpret them for me to mean what you say they mean i interpret them to mean no taxes of any kind not a dime ---- but maybe they do not mean that Ok new day. I found something that helps to explain my interpretation that Obama was not talking about the taxes you refer to. I do agree that he could have been more clear but I think if he was coming from the assumption that we already knew what kind of taxes he was reffering to then his statement should not have been cause of alarm. Anyway if you care to read this: Barack Obama Campaign Promise No. 515: No family making less than $250,000 will see "any form of tax increase." "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." Cigarette tax for SCHIP nips at Obama tax promise Updated: Thursday, April 2nd, 2009 | By Angie Drobnic Holan When we launched the Obameter to track President Barack Obama's campaign promises, we identified 38 on taxes covering everything from repealing the Bush tax cuts for higher incomes to supporting tax deductions for artists . Then, on April 1, 2009, a new cigarette tax went into effect, and we got lots of e-mail from readers saying it violated a promise Obama made on the campaign trail not to raise any taxes on people who make less than $250,000 a year. Lots of people who smoke make less than $250,000 a year, so Obama broke his promise, these readers told us. We confirmed the quote that many readers sent us. On Sept. 12, 2008, while on the campaign trail in Dover, N.H., Obama said, "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." We didn't have a promise like this in our database. We had separate promises that Obama would make the Bush tax cuts for lower incomes permanent and that he would raise capital gains taxes only on higher incomes. We decided to add this new, more broadly stated promise to our database. On April 1, cigarette taxes went up. Certainly many people who smoke make less than $250,000. Should we rate this Promise Broken? This launched an interesting debate here at PolitiFact. Was the final part of Obama's statement "not any of your taxes" intended as a sweeping declaration against any tax, or was he speaking only in the context of income-based taxes? We noted that his statement began with the phrase "Under my plan ..." We looked to our coverage during the campaign for greater clarity. Obama has long been on record supporting the cigarette tax increase. During the campaign, Obama often said he supported legislation to expand the State Children's Health Insurance Program. At the time, that legislation was in Congress, and even then it included higher cigarette taxes. By saying he supported the SCHIP legislation, Obama was supporting the increased cigarette taxes to pay for it. SCHIP was among the first pieces of legislation to come to Obama's desk, and he signed it Feb. 4, 2009. We rated it as a Promise Kept . Another part of our deliberation was that when Obama was on the campaign trail saying that "no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase," his examples were all federal income or payroll taxes. Cigarette taxes are a federal excise tax, which is a tax on goods. (Other federal excise taxes are levied on things like alcohol, gasoline and firearms.) These are not taxes that affect people based on income level, but rather based on whether they purchase certain goods. So while some families who make less than $250,000 a year will be affected by cigarette taxes, the taxes are based on their decision to buy cigarettes, not based on their income. Obama's promise on the campaign trail may have been a bit of rhetorical excess based on his income tax plan, which seeks to exempt lower incomes from tax increases. Obama has taken specific steps to change that tax code, such as creating capital gains taxes that only apply to higher incomes, that are aimed at protecting the middle class from new taxes. Also, the cigarette tax does not hit all families that make less than $250,000 a year, but only those who choose to smoke. Finally, Obama clearly stated during the campaign that he supported legislation that would raise the cigarette tax, and he never mentioned any form of excise tax when making the promise. Still, it's a tax increase. People who smoke will pay higher taxes under the measure that Obama signed. We added this promise to our database and rated it a Compromise. Article found here If after reading this you still think he is a liar, then so be it. I just can't go that far, at least at this point. |
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Corporations don't pay taxes....they are passed through to the consumer...more taxes, new taxes..if we were allowed to keep more of our pay, perhaps, we could pay for our own insurance/health care.....
or would that fall under the "personal responsibility" ????? |
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Corporations don't pay taxes....they are passed through to the consumer...more taxes, new taxes..if we were allowed to keep more of our pay, perhaps, we could pay for our own insurance/health care..... or would that fall under the "personal responsibility" ????? I think it's pretty obvious that even with more money at pay time, people still don't buy insurance. And for many there isn't enough to afford it anyway because insurance company premiums have been going up and up. But heaven forbid we blame anything on the profits of the insurance companies, after all they have our best interest at heart. I really had to crack up when some one mentioned a health savings account, as if there's enough interest in a savings account for most people. One bad illness could wipe out the whole thing. I am happy to take personal responsiblity if the cost is reasonable but it will never be reasonable if Insurance companies have control of just how much they can bleed from the public. Plus with the economy the way it is now and for me personally, I am making less than half of what I made ten years ago, there is no way I can afford current plans, period. |
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I think it's pretty obvious that even with more money at pay time, people still don't buy insurance.
????????? What about their personal responsibility??? They "choose" not to buy it. They are willing to exchange liberty for security. |
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hey cloudy yer dream girl Eeewww no! Shes too old! AND TEXAN!
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I think it's pretty obvious that even with more money at pay time, people still don't buy insurance. ????????? What about their personal responsibility??? They "choose" not to buy it. They are willing to exchange liberty for security. that would be a false sense of security and thus the deserve neither |
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Edited by
heavenlyboy34
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who do you think buys the most tobacco and sugar products uh oh that would be me how about salt? can't we tax salt? thats bad for you Salt isn't bad for you-excess salt is. You couldn't LIVE without salt(sodium, specifically)!
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another tax on the middle class he said he would not tax PROMISE: "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes" (September 12, 2008, Dover, NH) [Transcript] [Video clip] "No one making less than $250,000 under Barack Obama's plan will see one single penny of their tax raised," Joe Biden said, "whether it's their capital gains tax, their income tax, investment tax, any tax." (Joe Biden, Oct. 3, 2008, Vice Presidential Debate, St. Louis, MO) [Transcript] [Video Clip] DATES PROMISE BROKEN: Feb. 4 -- just 16 days into his presidency, Obama signs into law a 156 percent increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco, a hike of 61 cents per pack, which took effect on April 1. The tax increase falls squarely on the shoulders of the middle and low-income Americans Obama said he would not raise taxes on: 55 percent of smokers are "working poor", one in four smokers live below the poverty line, and on average, smokers, whose median income is a little more than $36,000 make about 30 percent less than non-smokers. Feb. 26 -- Obama released his FY 2010 budget which imposes a range of tax hikes including a "cap and trade" tax of $646 billion. Every American family will pay this tax in the form of higher gasoline, heating and electric bills. By adding together the "cap and trade" tax increase along with other energy tax hikes in the Obama budget and dividing by the number of families, it's clear what this annual tax hike would be: The average American family would pay, directly or indirectly, approximately $10,000 per year in new energy taxes. http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS258402+28-Apr-2009+PRN20090428 he is a major liar plain and simple and if a persons word is no good what good are they Tax increases on cigs doesn't count because people with incomes over 250,000 buy them too. So that wasn't a lie. The same thing applies for the energy tax, people who make more than 250,000 will be paying this also so that isn't a lie either. I agree. |
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If it ever gets to the point where I can't afford my pepsi, than alot of people will die. Oh yeah sure I'll be grumpy for a few days after my last sip of sugary-goodness, but after that I will snap and leave a trail of dead bodies all over Kentucky. Try generic Pepsi. |
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I do not support this tax, if this tax goes through it won't be long before they start taxing everything that isn't healthy for us. Such as eggs or meats. Fruit juices contain sugar in some cases so they'd have to tax that too....what about cereal? So I can't support a tax that would screw many people that live on food stamps. Sugar is not the villain here, lazy people that want to have sugar but not exercise are. I like sugar but I also know that i have to exercise daily if I don't want to become overweight. I am slightly overweight as it is but I'm exercising daily and eating properly...but I still have sugar. Food purchased by food stamps are not taxed. Btw, I never get fruit juice with sugar. I only get 100% fruit juice. |
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well explain how i am interpreting it he said what no taxes of any kind not a dime his words interpret them for me to mean what you say they mean i interpret them to mean no taxes of any kind not a dime ---- but maybe they do not mean that Ok new day. I found something that helps to explain my interpretation that Obama was not talking about the taxes you refer to. I do agree that he could have been more clear but I think if he was coming from the assumption that we already knew what kind of taxes he was reffering to then his statement should not have been cause of alarm. Anyway if you care to read this: Barack Obama Campaign Promise No. 515: No family making less than $250,000 will see "any form of tax increase." "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." Cigarette tax for SCHIP nips at Obama tax promise Updated: Thursday, April 2nd, 2009 | By Angie Drobnic Holan When we launched the Obameter to track President Barack Obama's campaign promises, we identified 38 on taxes covering everything from repealing the Bush tax cuts for higher incomes to supporting tax deductions for artists . Then, on April 1, 2009, a new cigarette tax went into effect, and we got lots of e-mail from readers saying it violated a promise Obama made on the campaign trail not to raise any taxes on people who make less than $250,000 a year. Lots of people who smoke make less than $250,000 a year, so Obama broke his promise, these readers told us. We confirmed the quote that many readers sent us. On Sept. 12, 2008, while on the campaign trail in Dover, N.H., Obama said, "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." We didn't have a promise like this in our database. We had separate promises that Obama would make the Bush tax cuts for lower incomes permanent and that he would raise capital gains taxes only on higher incomes. We decided to add this new, more broadly stated promise to our database. On April 1, cigarette taxes went up. Certainly many people who smoke make less than $250,000. Should we rate this Promise Broken? This launched an interesting debate here at PolitiFact. Was the final part of Obama's statement "not any of your taxes" intended as a sweeping declaration against any tax, or was he speaking only in the context of income-based taxes? We noted that his statement began with the phrase "Under my plan ..." We looked to our coverage during the campaign for greater clarity. Obama has long been on record supporting the cigarette tax increase. During the campaign, Obama often said he supported legislation to expand the State Children's Health Insurance Program. At the time, that legislation was in Congress, and even then it included higher cigarette taxes. By saying he supported the SCHIP legislation, Obama was supporting the increased cigarette taxes to pay for it. SCHIP was among the first pieces of legislation to come to Obama's desk, and he signed it Feb. 4, 2009. We rated it as a Promise Kept . Another part of our deliberation was that when Obama was on the campaign trail saying that "no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase," his examples were all federal income or payroll taxes. Cigarette taxes are a federal excise tax, which is a tax on goods. (Other federal excise taxes are levied on things like alcohol, gasoline and firearms.) These are not taxes that affect people based on income level, but rather based on whether they purchase certain goods. So while some families who make less than $250,000 a year will be affected by cigarette taxes, the taxes are based on their decision to buy cigarettes, not based on their income. Obama's promise on the campaign trail may have been a bit of rhetorical excess based on his income tax plan, which seeks to exempt lower incomes from tax increases. Obama has taken specific steps to change that tax code, such as creating capital gains taxes that only apply to higher incomes, that are aimed at protecting the middle class from new taxes. Also, the cigarette tax does not hit all families that make less than $250,000 a year, but only those who choose to smoke. Finally, Obama clearly stated during the campaign that he supported legislation that would raise the cigarette tax, and he never mentioned any form of excise tax when making the promise. Still, it's a tax increase. People who smoke will pay higher taxes under the measure that Obama signed. We added this promise to our database and rated it a Compromise. Article found here If after reading this you still think he is a liar, then so be it. I just can't go that far, at least at this point. Thank you for finding that, Boo. 
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Edited by
Winx
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Sun 09/13/09 06:11 PM
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who do you think buys the most tobacco and sugar products uh oh that would be me how about salt? can't we tax salt? thats bad for you Salt isn't bad for you-excess salt is. You couldn't LIVE without salt(sodium, specifically)! Actually, any added salt is not good for you. There's already more than enough salt in food. It gets unhealthy when you add more. |
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well explain how i am interpreting it he said what no taxes of any kind not a dime his words interpret them for me to mean what you say they mean i interpret them to mean no taxes of any kind not a dime ---- but maybe they do not mean that Ok new day. I found something that helps to explain my interpretation that Obama was not talking about the taxes you refer to. I do agree that he could have been more clear but I think if he was coming from the assumption that we already knew what kind of taxes he was reffering to then his statement should not have been cause of alarm. Anyway if you care to read this: Barack Obama Campaign Promise No. 515: No family making less than $250,000 will see "any form of tax increase." "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." Cigarette tax for SCHIP nips at Obama tax promise Updated: Thursday, April 2nd, 2009 | By Angie Drobnic Holan When we launched the Obameter to track President Barack Obama's campaign promises, we identified 38 on taxes covering everything from repealing the Bush tax cuts for higher incomes to supporting tax deductions for artists . Then, on April 1, 2009, a new cigarette tax went into effect, and we got lots of e-mail from readers saying it violated a promise Obama made on the campaign trail not to raise any taxes on people who make less than $250,000 a year. Lots of people who smoke make less than $250,000 a year, so Obama broke his promise, these readers told us. We confirmed the quote that many readers sent us. On Sept. 12, 2008, while on the campaign trail in Dover, N.H., Obama said, "I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." We didn't have a promise like this in our database. We had separate promises that Obama would make the Bush tax cuts for lower incomes permanent and that he would raise capital gains taxes only on higher incomes. We decided to add this new, more broadly stated promise to our database. On April 1, cigarette taxes went up. Certainly many people who smoke make less than $250,000. Should we rate this Promise Broken? This launched an interesting debate here at PolitiFact. Was the final part of Obama's statement "not any of your taxes" intended as a sweeping declaration against any tax, or was he speaking only in the context of income-based taxes? We noted that his statement began with the phrase "Under my plan ..." We looked to our coverage during the campaign for greater clarity. Obama has long been on record supporting the cigarette tax increase. During the campaign, Obama often said he supported legislation to expand the State Children's Health Insurance Program. At the time, that legislation was in Congress, and even then it included higher cigarette taxes. By saying he supported the SCHIP legislation, Obama was supporting the increased cigarette taxes to pay for it. SCHIP was among the first pieces of legislation to come to Obama's desk, and he signed it Feb. 4, 2009. We rated it as a Promise Kept . Another part of our deliberation was that when Obama was on the campaign trail saying that "no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase," his examples were all federal income or payroll taxes. Cigarette taxes are a federal excise tax, which is a tax on goods. (Other federal excise taxes are levied on things like alcohol, gasoline and firearms.) These are not taxes that affect people based on income level, but rather based on whether they purchase certain goods. So while some families who make less than $250,000 a year will be affected by cigarette taxes, the taxes are based on their decision to buy cigarettes, not based on their income. Obama's promise on the campaign trail may have been a bit of rhetorical excess based on his income tax plan, which seeks to exempt lower incomes from tax increases. Obama has taken specific steps to change that tax code, such as creating capital gains taxes that only apply to higher incomes, that are aimed at protecting the middle class from new taxes. Also, the cigarette tax does not hit all families that make less than $250,000 a year, but only those who choose to smoke. Finally, Obama clearly stated during the campaign that he supported legislation that would raise the cigarette tax, and he never mentioned any form of excise tax when making the promise. Still, it's a tax increase. People who smoke will pay higher taxes under the measure that Obama signed. We added this promise to our database and rated it a Compromise. Article found here If after reading this you still think he is a liar, then so be it. I just can't go that far, at least at this point. Thank you for finding that, Boo. I read that and saw some half-truths and deceptions. A half-truth or deception, in my eyes, is the same as a lie. |
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Sin tax... He He har har...
Just wait... After they have declared YOUR favorite vice a sin... They will be a taxin you under it. If it ever makes it to law... Then we'll have a Sin Czar ('Sin Lord' for those that speak no slavic)... Who will state with authority that everything you buy is a sin and so to be taxed.
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