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supermike48's photo
Wed 07/15/09 02:29 PM
what is your personal view on government health care

crazysillygirl's photo
Wed 07/15/09 02:50 PM
it sucks

willing2's photo
Wed 07/15/09 02:54 PM

it sucks

Right on.
If people would investigate socialism and health care in Europe, they would see how screwed the system is. It doesn't work there, why would we expect it would work here?
Then again, BHObners will follow him anywhere.

no photo
Wed 07/15/09 02:58 PM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 07/15/09 02:59 PM
Let it continue as it is and it will be the next bailout only they wont be able to print the money fast enough...SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.......

Dragoness's photo
Wed 07/15/09 03:02 PM

what is your personal view on government health care


Canada has it, Europe has it, Mexico has it.

It can be done and should be done in the supposed "greatest nation on earth". Or we need to stop claiming that.

willing2's photo
Wed 07/15/09 03:06 PM


what is your personal view on government health care


Canada has it, Europe has it, Mexico has it.

It can be done and should be done in the supposed "greatest nation on earth". Or we need to stop claiming that.

If you had done any kind of investigating, you will find, the people of those countries are very unhappy with poor health care, long waits for appointments and medicine shortages.

On the bright side, transplants and cancer therapy are reserved for those folks who have a supplimental insurance

Dragoness's photo
Wed 07/15/09 03:12 PM



what is your personal view on government health care


Canada has it, Europe has it, Mexico has it.

It can be done and should be done in the supposed "greatest nation on earth". Or we need to stop claiming that.

If you had done any kind of investigating, you will find, the people of those countries are very unhappy with poor health care, long waits for appointments and medicine shortages.

On the bright side, transplants and cancer therapy are reserved for those folks who have a supplimental insurance


I have seen programs on it and the propaganda would have you believe people wait around and die while waiting, which is a lie.

Again I will say if we are truly the greatest nation in the world we need to have national healthcare. Noone should go without care in the greatest nation in the world.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 07/15/09 03:15 PM


what is your personal view on government health care


Canada has it, Europe has it, Mexico has it.

It can be done and should be done in the supposed "greatest nation on earth". Or we need to stop claiming that.


This theory is fundamentally flawed. Mexico, Europe, and Canada aren't exactly shinning gems of prosperity.

The only thing you and i will agree upon is the fact that something needs to be done to make healthcare more affordable.

willing2's photo
Wed 07/15/09 03:17 PM




what is your personal view on government health care


Canada has it, Europe has it, Mexico has it.

It can be done and should be done in the supposed "greatest nation on earth". Or we need to stop claiming that.

If you had done any kind of investigating, you will find, the people of those countries are very unhappy with poor health care, long waits for appointments and medicine shortages.

On the bright side, transplants and cancer therapy are reserved for those folks who have a supplimental insurance


I have seen programs on it and the propaganda would have you believe people wait around and die while waiting, which is a lie.

Again I will say if we are truly the greatest nation in the world we need to have national healthcare. Noone should go without care in the greatest nation in the world.

Try checking out BBC, London Times and other European references.
They are not propoganda, they are facts. Check their archives.

And yes, those who do not have the supplimental insurance are left to die. They recieve no treatments.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 07/15/09 03:28 PM
Government healthcare is inefficient and best. Look at all the problems we currently have with out socialized medicine. In fact, you can see many of these same flaws in other countries that practice this.

Medicare and Mainecare (in maine) is bankrupting hospitals. They are at least 5 years behind in payments, which means others have to pick up the slack.

Unfortunately what we have is a complex issue, but it can be simplified.

People can't afford healthcare. How can we make it affordable?

A. We try and set up a national healthcare plan, which, judging from the VA hospitals, Medicare, and mainecare, would hurt the healthcare teams. Meaning, doctors, nurses, etc. would take a major cut in funding, and staff, in order to keep up with the government's lack of payments. Not to mention the FDA doesn't exactly have a good rep of giving decent health advice. (Read up on FDA recommendations of nutrition and vitamins.)

B. Let people have more money to support themselves. But that would require people taking on responsibilities. You know, like instead of eating out 4 times a week you put that money into health insurance, and you simaltaniously make sure that you practice good health.

About the only legislation or regulation i would approve is regulation of the use of refined sugars, as these are highly toxic. New studies are showing they lead to something called Sugar metabolic syndrome, which leads to a variety of diseases. Anothing thing people suffer from is malnutrition. So enforcing more nutrition would also be an idea.

Up to 90% of health cases can be prevented by merely practicing a healthy diet and exercising.

Not using preventive medicine, illegal immigrants, rediculous malpractice cases, and the lack of payment on government programs like medicare, along with the use of name brand drugs instead of generics, all lead to the outragious costs. Treat a couple of these problems, and you will treat the symptom of unaffordable healthcare costs.

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Wed 07/15/09 03:45 PM
it seems to me if we had same health care as our government we would all be sit, democrats want to give us health care. republicans want to be greedy. and not take care of the sick.seems i have heard over and over again, how this is the greatest country in the world. but we cant take care of the poor.even in communist countries they take care of there people. sometimes i wonder how rich people sleep at night. knowing that they got rich off the backs of the poor.what every happen to take care of your fellow man. the republican party claims to be the party of god. now let me ask you. if god was on earth today, would he let the poor die i think not.

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Wed 07/15/09 03:46 PM



what is your personal view on government health care


Canada has it, Europe has it, Mexico has it.

It can be done and should be done in the supposed "greatest nation on earth". Or we need to stop claiming that.


This theory is fundamentally flawed. Mexico, Europe, and Canada aren't exactly shinning gems of prosperity.

The only thing you and i will agree upon is the fact that something needs to be done to make healthcare more affordable.


prosperity is useless without good health

and

the u s is not prospering so well anymore neither

but hey what do i know

Dragoness's photo
Wed 07/15/09 03:54 PM
You measure a countries wealth not on the number of rich people but the care given to the indigent, elderly, disabled and poor. Not mine, someone else said it but it is true.

We can go round and round on the legistics of universal healthcare but the truth is that it can be done, should be done and eventually will be done. I know it will because we as humans get smarter all the time and we will see the benefit of it eventually.

Driven, you stay off my sugar. I need it on occasion and will not have anyone stand in my way....lol

What constitutes freedoms if we cannot eat what we want to?

The idea that someone else can govern what I eat, how often and why is a little excessive, don't ya think?

adj4u's photo
Wed 07/15/09 03:58 PM

You measure a countries wealth not on the number of rich people but the care given to the indigent, elderly, disabled and poor. Not mine, someone else said it but it is true.

We can go round and round on the legistics of universal healthcare but the truth is that it can be done, should be done and eventually will be done. I know it will because we as humans get smarter all the time and we will see the benefit of it eventually.

Driven, you stay off my sugar. I need it on occasion and will not have anyone stand in my way....lol

What constitutes freedoms if we cannot eat what we want to?

The idea that someone else can govern what I eat, how often and why is a little excessive, don't ya think?


they govern what you can smoke

it is only a matter of time b4 they get to what you eat

supermike48's photo
Wed 07/15/09 04:01 PM
we can say what every we want. just proves to me the republicans are just plain greedy.they claim to be men of god, that's a joke. must are so far up the insurance lobbies butt its not even funny.

Ladylid2012's photo
Wed 07/15/09 04:01 PM




what is your personal view on government health care


Canada has it, Europe has it, Mexico has it.

It can be done and should be done in the supposed "greatest nation on earth". Or we need to stop claiming that.

If you had done any kind of investigating, you will find, the people of those countries are very unhappy with poor health care, long waits for appointments and medicine shortages.

On the bright side, transplants and cancer therapy are reserved for those folks who have a supplimental insurance


I have seen programs on it and the propaganda would have you believe people wait around and die while waiting, which is a lie.

Again I will say if we are truly the greatest nation in the world we need to have national healthcare. Noone should go without care in the greatest nation in the world.



DITTO :banana: :banana:

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 07/15/09 04:10 PM

You measure a countries wealth not on the number of rich people but the care given to the indigent, elderly, disabled and poor. Not mine, someone else said it but it is true.

We can go round and round on the legistics of universal healthcare but the truth is that it can be done, should be done and eventually will be done. I know it will because we as humans get smarter all the time and we will see the benefit of it eventually.

Driven, you stay off my sugar. I need it on occasion and will not have anyone stand in my way....lol

What constitutes freedoms if we cannot eat what we want to?

The idea that someone else can govern what I eat, how often and why is a little excessive, don't ya think?


You are incorrect, i believe, about the measure of a country's wealth. Honestly you have to measure all aspects. The rich, the poor, and the middle class.

You extend benefits to the people as a whole.

And i am not saying that we will not have the freedom to choose what we eat. I am just saying, that if we have an FDA, they should do their job, and label poison as poison. There is no difference between even a moderate amount of refined table sugar and a moderate amount of arsenic. In small doses, over along period of time, they will both lead to health problems.

The problem isn't sugar, it's REFINED sugar. Sugar is essential to your body, but unless accompanied byt the proper amount of nutrients, like what is found in fruit, it becomes toxic.

100 years ago the average sugar intake was less than 30 lbs a year. Now it is over 120 lbs a year.

I would prefer to merely educate people, and let them decide for themselves what they should and shouldn't have. But i won't take care of you if you don't take care of yourself. Understand?

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 07/15/09 04:11 PM

we can say what every we want. just proves to me the republicans are just plain greedy.they claim to be men of god, that's a joke. must are so far up the insurance lobbies butt its not even funny.


You single out republicans without justification. I could just as easily attack the democrats. They are just as bad my friend. So be careful about becoming too biased. It clouds logic.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 07/15/09 04:15 PM

You measure a countries wealth not on the number of rich people but the care given to the indigent, elderly, disabled and poor. Not mine, someone else said it but it is true.


The reason i say this is incorrect, is because it still exercises the logic of holding someone down, or stealing from them, to give to another.

This is flawed as it just turns the poor into theives. The theif is a theif regardless of how little they have.

It is, in good moral standing, however, to help those that need it. But how can we call ourselves free if we are forced to do this? Especially since the system is highly flawed, and easily taken advantage of.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 07/15/09 04:16 PM


You measure a countries wealth not on the number of rich people but the care given to the indigent, elderly, disabled and poor. Not mine, someone else said it but it is true.

We can go round and round on the legistics of universal healthcare but the truth is that it can be done, should be done and eventually will be done. I know it will because we as humans get smarter all the time and we will see the benefit of it eventually.

Driven, you stay off my sugar. I need it on occasion and will not have anyone stand in my way....lol

What constitutes freedoms if we cannot eat what we want to?

The idea that someone else can govern what I eat, how often and why is a little excessive, don't ya think?


they govern what you can smoke

it is only a matter of time b4 they get to what you eat


Indeed.

Would be affective to put everyone on a healthcare plan requiring this huh?

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