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i got credit card. does that count. dam gas in ukraine is 85 cent a gallon in us money.
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so let me get this right,we cant afford health care. but we can afford to make bombs.we can afford to rebuild Iraq but we cant help our poor people. 
And THAT, is the problem. If we stopped nation building, and we stopped medicare, secured our borders, we could get rid of personal income tax which would completely turn the economy around, AND we could afford a healthcare plan. I would be all for it we cut our budgets in other places. I surely don't know how you went from stopping wars with other countries to save money to stopping medicare and securing our borders (sounds like a personal agenda there) to make the national health care possible but okay. Agendas aside we can afford national health care and the nay sayers just don't want it, that is why they say we can't afford it. How the hell do you think we can afford it? And where i lost you, was when i started talking about fiscal policy. Big move number one, stop wars. Big move number two, bring all troops back home and sell land and equipment back to the respective countries. But, to offset any potential security risks, you need secure borders. This will at least act as a deterant for any terrorists wanting to attack again. I know the risk would decrease anyway as a result of us starting to mind our own business. And Obama himself, wants to replace medicare and medicade with the national healthcare plan. The reason i brought this cut up is due to the fact that 1/3rd of our total budget is going to this. Another third is going to defense (hence brigning troops back home), and another third is going to the interest on our national debt. The only step i really didn't get into was abolishing our federal reserve. If we do that, maybe we could pay some on the priniciple. Or, we could declare bankrupcy. EIther way, we slowly get rid of that burden. What to fail to understand is the FACT that our economy and our healthcare crisis are linked. One of the things that has been known to CAUSE economic downturns is high taxes. The higher the taxes the worse the economy, and vice versa. |
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so let me get this right,we cant afford health care. but we can afford to make bombs.we can afford to rebuild Iraq but we cant help our poor people.
And THAT, is the problem. If we stopped nation building, and we stopped medicare, secured our borders, we could get rid of personal income tax which would completely turn the economy around, AND we could afford a healthcare plan. I would be all for it we cut our budgets in other places. medicare is paid for while you are working it is part of the fica medicaid is the free system what we need to do is start collecting from other countries we protect japan germany saudi arabia and anywhere else we have a base we have enough mobile bases (aircraft carriers and there support groups to protect the u s) we pay them to be there talk about azz backwards This would all be apart of our bringing troops home IMO. BTW if you ever want to run for office you got my vote!
you get the funding and i will take the assassins bullet i ain't scared I got $2 in my wallet, i think you may be safe... dang i wanted that lifetime salary 
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one way to save some tax money, stop paying our senators, hell should be there honor to serve us, hell them people have more vacations then anyone i have every seen. or a better idea, lets let them try living on minimum wage.
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one way to save some tax money, stop paying our senators, hell should be there honor to serve us, hell them people have more vacations then anyone i have every seen. or a better idea, lets let them try living on minimum wage. I agree. As Adj4u brought up, they should be put on our healthcare plans, and on social security too. I can see paying them, because we do want them to work, but it shouldn't be anymore than the average american income. |
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so let me get this right,we cant afford health care. but we can afford to make bombs.we can afford to rebuild Iraq but we cant help our poor people.
And THAT, is the problem. If we stopped nation building, and we stopped medicare, secured our borders, we could get rid of personal income tax which would completely turn the economy around, AND we could afford a healthcare plan. I would be all for it we cut our budgets in other places. I surely don't know how you went from stopping wars with other countries to save money to stopping medicare and securing our borders (sounds like a personal agenda there) to make the national health care possible but okay. Agendas aside we can afford national health care and the nay sayers just don't want it, that is why they say we can't afford it. How the hell do you think we can afford it? And where i lost you, was when i started talking about fiscal policy. Big move number one, stop wars. Big move number two, bring all troops back home and sell land and equipment back to the respective countries. But, to offset any potential security risks, you need secure borders. This will at least act as a deterant for any terrorists wanting to attack again. I know the risk would decrease anyway as a result of us starting to mind our own business. And Obama himself, wants to replace medicare and medicade with the national healthcare plan. The reason i brought this cut up is due to the fact that 1/3rd of our total budget is going to this. Another third is going to defense (hence brigning troops back home), and another third is going to the interest on our national debt. The only step i really didn't get into was abolishing our federal reserve. If we do that, maybe we could pay some on the priniciple. Or, we could declare bankrupcy. EIther way, we slowly get rid of that burden. What to fail to understand is the FACT that our economy and our healthcare crisis are linked. One of the things that has been known to CAUSE economic downturns is high taxes. The higher the taxes the worse the economy, and vice versa. Okay okay sorry I misunderstood you the first time. You have some valid points, I will not agree with all of them though. We could do this despite what the nay sayers say, it could be done. |
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so let me get this right,we cant afford health care. but we can afford to make bombs.we can afford to rebuild Iraq but we cant help our poor people.
And THAT, is the problem. If we stopped nation building, and we stopped medicare, secured our borders, we could get rid of personal income tax which would completely turn the economy around, AND we could afford a healthcare plan. I would be all for it we cut our budgets in other places. medicare is paid for while you are working it is part of the fica medicaid is the free system what we need to do is start collecting from other countries we protect japan germany saudi arabia and anywhere else we have a base we have enough mobile bases (aircraft carriers and there support groups to protect the u s) we pay them to be there talk about azz backwards This would all be apart of our bringing troops home IMO. BTW if you ever want to run for office you got my vote!
you get the funding and i will take the assassins bullet i ain't scared I got $2 in my wallet, i think you may be safe... dang i wanted that lifetime salary
and medical
hehehehe If someone else threw in two dollars we will be twice as close! |
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one way to save some tax money, stop paying our senators, hell should be there honor to serve us, hell them people have more vacations then anyone i have every seen. or a better idea, lets let them try living on minimum wage. I agree. As Adj4u brought up, they should be put on our healthcare plans, and on social security too. I can see paying them, because we do want them to work, but it shouldn't be anymore than the average american income. they spend 7-8 figure amounts to get a 6 figure income (for life) and medical 
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so let me get this right,we cant afford health care. but we can afford to make bombs.we can afford to rebuild Iraq but we cant help our poor people.
And THAT, is the problem. If we stopped nation building, and we stopped medicare, secured our borders, we could get rid of personal income tax which would completely turn the economy around, AND we could afford a healthcare plan. I would be all for it we cut our budgets in other places. I surely don't know how you went from stopping wars with other countries to save money to stopping medicare and securing our borders (sounds like a personal agenda there) to make the national health care possible but okay. Agendas aside we can afford national health care and the nay sayers just don't want it, that is why they say we can't afford it. How the hell do you think we can afford it? And where i lost you, was when i started talking about fiscal policy. Big move number one, stop wars. Big move number two, bring all troops back home and sell land and equipment back to the respective countries. But, to offset any potential security risks, you need secure borders. This will at least act as a deterant for any terrorists wanting to attack again. I know the risk would decrease anyway as a result of us starting to mind our own business. And Obama himself, wants to replace medicare and medicade with the national healthcare plan. The reason i brought this cut up is due to the fact that 1/3rd of our total budget is going to this. Another third is going to defense (hence brigning troops back home), and another third is going to the interest on our national debt. The only step i really didn't get into was abolishing our federal reserve. If we do that, maybe we could pay some on the priniciple. Or, we could declare bankrupcy. EIther way, we slowly get rid of that burden. What to fail to understand is the FACT that our economy and our healthcare crisis are linked. One of the things that has been known to CAUSE economic downturns is high taxes. The higher the taxes the worse the economy, and vice versa. Okay okay sorry I misunderstood you the first time. You have some valid points, I will not agree with all of them though. We could do this despite what the nay sayers say, it could be done. Well...we could in theory. But the harm would be greater than the good. You would see everyone stuggling to pay grocery bills, etc etc etc. wehn you print money, you tax everyone, no matter how rich or poor. |
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well since i,m in Ukraine visiting my aunt. our 4 dollatrs is now 10. but of course here's the catch. have to spend it in Ukraine.
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one way to save some tax money, stop paying our senators, hell should be there honor to serve us, hell them people have more vacations then anyone i have every seen. or a better idea, lets let them try living on minimum wage. I agree. As Adj4u brought up, they should be put on our healthcare plans, and on social security too. I can see paying them, because we do want them to work, but it shouldn't be anymore than the average american income. they spend 7-8 figure amounts to get a 6 figure income (for life) and medical
Ahh yes....end the lifetime thing too. Also put a cap on campaign money maybe? |
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yes we can start buy barring lobbyist from giving money to senator i got one for you former s.c governor carol Campbell, campaign to lower insurance rates, so when he was elected . guess what insurance rates doubled.
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You measure a countries wealth not on the number of rich people but the care given to the indigent, elderly, disabled and poor. Not mine, someone else said it but it is true. We can go round and round on the legistics of universal healthcare but the truth is that it can be done, should be done and eventually will be done. I know it will because we as humans get smarter all the time and we will see the benefit of it eventually. Driven, you stay off my sugar. I need it on occasion and will not have anyone stand in my way....lol What constitutes freedoms if we cannot eat what we want to? The idea that someone else can govern what I eat, how often and why is a little excessive, don't ya think? You are incorrect, i believe, about the measure of a country's wealth. Honestly you have to measure all aspects. The rich, the poor, and the middle class. You extend benefits to the people as a whole. And i am not saying that we will not have the freedom to choose what we eat. I am just saying, that if we have an FDA, they should do their job, and label poison as poison. There is no difference between even a moderate amount of refined table sugar and a moderate amount of arsenic. In small doses, over along period of time, they will both lead to health problems. The problem isn't sugar, it's REFINED sugar. Sugar is essential to your body, but unless accompanied byt the proper amount of nutrients, like what is found in fruit, it becomes toxic. 100 years ago the average sugar intake was less than 30 lbs a year. Now it is over 120 lbs a year. I would prefer to merely educate people, and let them decide for themselves what they should and shouldn't have. But i won't take care of you if you don't take care of yourself. Understand? It is funny how you and other spout off about freedoms but do not afford them. I will not take care of you if you do not take care of yourself. This really gets into alot of more indepth conversation but for a brief. Poor people cannot afford to eat properly, the cheapest foods are the most unhealthy. If they are poor it doesn't mean it is their fault they are poor so you cannot say we cannot care for the poor if they live unhealthy, they have no choice. If we are a county of freedoms people need to have the freedoms to do what they do within the law. If caring for them in illness or elder after they live their lives in freedom means we have to care for those who were unhealthy, that is what freedom means. Caring for our poor elderly disabled is important and I will not ever stand for our country to not do it. So we can make the programs more efficient, more viable but to end them because of the freedoms of the people who need them, never. |
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Edited by
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Wed 07/15/09 05:57 PM
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one way to save some tax money, stop paying our senators, hell should be there honor to serve us, hell them people have more vacations then anyone i have every seen. or a better idea, lets let them try living on minimum wage. I agree. As Adj4u brought up, they should be put on our healthcare plans, and on social security too. I can see paying them, because we do want them to work, but it shouldn't be anymore than the average american income. they spend 7-8 figure amounts to get a 6 figure income (for life) and medical
Ahh yes....end the lifetime thing too. Also put a cap on campaign money maybe? |
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i hate to break it to you. but i cant run. i was not born in the usa, sorry. i no you had high hopes.
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Edited by
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i hate to break it to you. but i cant run. i was not born in the usa, sorry. i no you had high hopes. |
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one way to save some tax money, stop paying our senators, hell should be there honor to serve us, hell them people have more vacations then anyone i have every seen. or a better idea, lets let them try living on minimum wage. I agree. As Adj4u brought up, they should be put on our healthcare plans, and on social security too. I can see paying them, because we do want them to work, but it shouldn't be anymore than the average american income. they spend 7-8 figure amounts to get a 6 figure income (for life) and medical
Ahh yes....end the lifetime thing too. Also put a cap on campaign money maybe? i would but that is buying your vote with a promise to do what you want by going against the very fabric of what you want even thou that is one of the first things i would want to change |
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i got way to many thing in my past . that the media would bring out. like i inhaled and enjoyed it.
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Edited by
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Wed 07/15/09 06:08 PM
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one way to save some tax money, stop paying our senators, hell should be there honor to serve us, hell them people have more vacations then anyone i have every seen. or a better idea, lets let them try living on minimum wage. I agree. As Adj4u brought up, they should be put on our healthcare plans, and on social security too. I can see paying them, because we do want them to work, but it shouldn't be anymore than the average american income. they spend 7-8 figure amounts to get a 6 figure income (for life) and medical
Ahh yes....end the lifetime thing too. Also put a cap on campaign money maybe? i would but that is buying your vote with a promise to do what you want by going against the very fabric of what you want even thou that is one of the first things i would want to change |
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