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Two term limits, remove political pensions, follow the money on the rest of it, but those would be better than "national health care."
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You measure a countries wealth not on the number of rich people but the care given to the indigent, elderly, disabled and poor. Not mine, someone else said it but it is true. The reason i say this is incorrect, is because it still exercises the logic of holding someone down, or stealing from them, to give to another. This is flawed as it just turns the poor into theives. The theif is a theif regardless of how little they have. It is, in good moral standing, however, to help those that need it. But how can we call ourselves free if we are forced to do this? Especially since the system is highly flawed, and easily taken advantage of. so it is the same with the insurance industry then they are theives that take from the whole and pay the few (when they pay) with the money collected from those that have had no claims i respect you deeply drivin but i think you are a bit off on this subject if everyone pays into the fund (fica) irt is not theft to make a claim that is why you pay it and any national medical plan should be set up basically on an all pay for it schedule (and public officials need to be enrolled in it one plan for all) then it will be run properly congress needs to be put on social security (then see it get fixed 
see ya got me started hey drivin 
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You measure a countries wealth not on the number of rich people but the care given to the indigent, elderly, disabled and poor. Not mine, someone else said it but it is true. We can go round and round on the legistics of universal healthcare but the truth is that it can be done, should be done and eventually will be done. I know it will because we as humans get smarter all the time and we will see the benefit of it eventually. Driven, you stay off my sugar. I need it on occasion and will not have anyone stand in my way....lol What constitutes freedoms if we cannot eat what we want to? The idea that someone else can govern what I eat, how often and why is a little excessive, don't ya think? they govern what you can smoke it is only a matter of time b4 they get to what you eat Indeed. Would be affective to put everyone on a healthcare plan requiring this huh? Everyone deserves to be taken care of when their sick, thats the bottom line. I have great coverage, I'm fortunate. Was not always that way. We have a responsibility to eachother. The all powerful USA is getting known all around the world for not taking care of it's citizens. What were doing isn't working, time to take another look. 
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You measure a countries wealth not on the number of rich people but the care given to the indigent, elderly, disabled and poor. Not mine, someone else said it but it is true. The reason i say this is incorrect, is because it still exercises the logic of holding someone down, or stealing from them, to give to another. This is flawed as it just turns the poor into theives. The theif is a theif regardless of how little they have. It is, in good moral standing, however, to help those that need it. But how can we call ourselves free if we are forced to do this? Especially since the system is highly flawed, and easily taken advantage of. so it is the same with the insurance industry then they are theives that take from the whole and pay the few (when they pay) with the money collected from those that have had no claims i respect you deeply drivin but i think you are a bit off on this subject if everyone pays into the fund (fica) irt is not theft to make a claim that is why you pay it and any national medical plan should be set up basically on an all pay for it schedule (and public officials need to be enrolled in it one plan for all) then it will be run properly congress needs to be put on social security (then see it get fixed
see ya got me started hey drivin
lol Sup bro. Yeah, I understand what you are saying. And you are right, when you voluntarily pay into a program, knowing that you are sharing this program, you accept responsibility for the others on that said program. I still firmly disagree with the philosophy of holding down one to give to another. I was disagree with thinking that it is ok, to take more than half of one person's income by through laws, to supplement anothers lifestyle. But this is a different subject i suppose. But i do agree the brillian idea of putting congress on the same plan as the rest of the country. By doing this you would solve so many of our problems... Honestly...as citizens we should push for this...
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so under this plan...what about those that aren't working??? I know several that refuse to work because they keep getting government help and milk it for all they can
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well when you pay congress 6 figure incomes and they spend 7-8 figures to get elected what does that tell you
maybe i should run for congress serve one term and collect my salary for the rest of my life  
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so under this plan...what about those that aren't working??? I know several that refuse to work because they keep getting government help and milk it for all they can term limits two years and you go into govt servitude |
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You measure a countries wealth not on the number of rich people but the care given to the indigent, elderly, disabled and poor. Not mine, someone else said it but it is true. We can go round and round on the legistics of universal healthcare but the truth is that it can be done, should be done and eventually will be done. I know it will because we as humans get smarter all the time and we will see the benefit of it eventually. Driven, you stay off my sugar. I need it on occasion and will not have anyone stand in my way....lol What constitutes freedoms if we cannot eat what we want to? The idea that someone else can govern what I eat, how often and why is a little excessive, don't ya think? they govern what you can smoke it is only a matter of time b4 they get to what you eat Indeed. Would be affective to put everyone on a healthcare plan requiring this huh? Everyone deserves to be taken care of when their sick, thats the bottom line. I have great coverage, I'm fortunate. Was not always that way. We have a responsibility to eachother. The all powerful USA is getting known all around the world for not taking care of it's citizens. What were doing isn't working, time to take another look.
Of course. I totally agree. Doctors have an oath to take care of the sick, money or no money. I don't think the government can solve this. I have no faith in that. But we do need to take care of people. Perhaps, get rid of medicare, and start a system like the VA for the population. Maybe this system can be preventive. But for emergancies, and for those that can pay, we keep our private system. I don't really know. I don't have the answers. But knowing that medicare is five years behind paying their bills to the hospitals, and knowing that the VA is flawed (which is socialized), do you really think the government is the answer to this? |
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so under this plan...what about those that aren't working??? I know several that refuse to work because they keep getting government help and milk it for all they can term limits two years and you go into govt servitude 
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sounds like another republican cop out, they usually say well doctors have to see you anyway. come on people, whats the deal are you that greedy. or is you just don't really care about your fellow man.
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so under this plan...what about those that aren't working??? I know several that refuse to work because they keep getting government help and milk it for all they can term limits two years and you go into govt servitude
i don't think they would like my idea of govt servitude 
mandatory dormitory style housing bused to their govt appointed job money goes into an account and they do not have asscess to more than 25% of it and in a year they get an apt and an allowance from the money they earned while in servitude and help finding a job if they screw that up the next step is more along the line of a chain gang style job just a thought but hey what do i know |
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sounds like another republican cop out, they usually say well doctors have to see you anyway. come on people, whats the deal are you that greedy. or is you just don't really care about your fellow man. what part is a cop out???? I'm not either party anyway. But I don't think anyone should be FORCED to help. If people volunteer to...that is wonderful, but it shouldn't be forced |
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You measure a countries wealth not on the number of rich people but the care given to the indigent, elderly, disabled and poor. Not mine, someone else said it but it is true. We can go round and round on the legistics of universal healthcare but the truth is that it can be done, should be done and eventually will be done. I know it will because we as humans get smarter all the time and we will see the benefit of it eventually. Driven, you stay off my sugar. I need it on occasion and will not have anyone stand in my way....lol What constitutes freedoms if we cannot eat what we want to? The idea that someone else can govern what I eat, how often and why is a little excessive, don't ya think? they govern what you can smoke it is only a matter of time b4 they get to what you eat Indeed. Would be affective to put everyone on a healthcare plan requiring this huh? Everyone deserves to be taken care of when their sick, thats the bottom line. I have great coverage, I'm fortunate. Was not always that way. We have a responsibility to eachother. The all powerful USA is getting known all around the world for not taking care of it's citizens. What were doing isn't working, time to take another look.
Of course. I totally agree. Doctors have an oath to take care of the sick, money or no money. I don't think the government can solve this. I have no faith in that. But we do need to take care of people. Perhaps, get rid of medicare, and start a system like the VA for the population. Maybe this system can be preventive. But for emergancies, and for those that can pay, we keep our private system. I don't really know. I don't have the answers. But knowing that medicare is five years behind paying their bills to the hospitals, and knowing that the VA is flawed (which is socialized), do you really think the government is the answer to this? """"Of course. I totally agree. Doctors have an oath to take care of the sick, money or no money."""" is that not holding the doctor down and stealling from them why is that ok they already get lower pay from govt benefit plans |
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so i guess your telling me. that if someone don't want to help. they should let them die.somehow i,m glad i,m not in USA right now. i,m sure republicans are saying we don't need health care. guess when your rich, you don't need much.
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so i guess your telling me. that if someone don't want to help. they should let them die.somehow i,m glad i,m not in USA right now. i,m sure republicans are saying we don't need health care. guess when your rich, you don't need much. who you directing this too |
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no one just making a statement.
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let me put it this way...I am FAR from rich. I have always live paycheck to paycheck and struggled. I won't DEMAND someone, who happens to be more well off then me, pay for me. If they make the choice to...that is a wonderful thing to do. But I don't believe they should be forced to...but that is JMO
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You measure a countries wealth not on the number of rich people but the care given to the indigent, elderly, disabled and poor. Not mine, someone else said it but it is true. We can go round and round on the legistics of universal healthcare but the truth is that it can be done, should be done and eventually will be done. I know it will because we as humans get smarter all the time and we will see the benefit of it eventually. Driven, you stay off my sugar. I need it on occasion and will not have anyone stand in my way....lol What constitutes freedoms if we cannot eat what we want to? The idea that someone else can govern what I eat, how often and why is a little excessive, don't ya think? they govern what you can smoke it is only a matter of time b4 they get to what you eat Indeed. Would be affective to put everyone on a healthcare plan requiring this huh? Everyone deserves to be taken care of when their sick, thats the bottom line. I have great coverage, I'm fortunate. Was not always that way. We have a responsibility to eachother. The all powerful USA is getting known all around the world for not taking care of it's citizens. What were doing isn't working, time to take another look.
Of course. I totally agree. Doctors have an oath to take care of the sick, money or no money. I don't think the government can solve this. I have no faith in that. But we do need to take care of people. Perhaps, get rid of medicare, and start a system like the VA for the population. Maybe this system can be preventive. But for emergancies, and for those that can pay, we keep our private system. I don't really know. I don't have the answers. But knowing that medicare is five years behind paying their bills to the hospitals, and knowing that the VA is flawed (which is socialized), do you really think the government is the answer to this? """"Of course. I totally agree. Doctors have an oath to take care of the sick, money or no money."""" is that not holding the doctor down and stealling from them why is that ok they already get lower pay from govt benefit plans Ouch.....i think you stumped me on that one.... especially since i take oaths seriously enough to count them as law. In that sense, i guess you could say i have a double standard. But the difference for me, personally, is that i would choose to follow that oath. Naturally, as a doctor, i would also choose to help those in need, oath, or no oath. In fact this is one of the reason's i am trying to get into medical school. I prefer people help eachother on their own. Without being forced to do so. |
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let me put it this way...I am FAR from rich. I have always live paycheck to paycheck and struggled. I won't DEMAND someone, who happens to be more well off then me, pay for me. If they make the choice to...that is a wonderful thing to do. But I don't believe they should be forced to...but that is JMO that is already happening rose it is the fica tax taken from every civilians pay check we all pay so if something happens to you there is a safty net and you are not setting on the corner with a tin cup 
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i personal believe that we should help our fellow man. its not about someone being forced.but. of course my stance is for legal people in the USA.we give money to other countries, but we don't take care of our poor.
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