I don't know much about how Medicare works, but i did see the bill my elderly neighbor brought home and what she paid for service was reasonable, but what the doctor charged Medicare was absolutely outrageous for that particular service. Seems to me that if they can't pay the doctors, they might want to have a closer look at the doctors and what they are charging Medicare? Am I missing something?

We hear folks complaining alot about the poor. maybe that's good for for washington and the medical establishment. Get everyone focused on the poor, blame them for the health care mess, when those that contribute most to it's abuse most are not the poor but the insurance companies and the medical establishment.

I would love to see the governments health care removed and given what everyone else gets, then see if it changes.

Personally I don't think if we were not forced to that we would help anyone but ourselves. And we seem to get more selfish as time goes on.

lmao, no one would want to work in washington then.

you are reading it wrong boo

that post is about those being taken care of by free govt programs

not elected officials

is it selfishness or self preservation

that is what i ponder

Doctors used to have better reasons to become doctors, many will say today it's all about how much they can make. Stealing from them? Looks more like doctors have figure out how to milk these programs themsleves, then blame the poor for needing them.

Ah well won't be the first time I got confused.

i know the feeling

Don't know, is self preservation selfish when if we did actually care about eachother, it could be worked out to take care of everyone? Even if we get some sort of health care, I am sure that those that can pay will still get better care than those on the government style health care. Not sure things will change all that much because of the way we think about eachother.

I wouldn't want to be on the VA health care system, especially when I see the actual care the Vets get. We are all so isolated from eachother we don't really see what individuals actually get in our current systems. It ain't much.

I know a great deal about health care and this is one of the biggest mistakes that can be made. i have work in health care for 17 years in one of the largest hospitals in CA. I also manage the health insurance and billing department. The one thing I can be for sure about is anything that the government touch is god awful.

ok i hold a personal grudge again the va. for five years i tryed to get my father help. he served in vietnam. they let him die.so if any va pepele out there i got something to say to you,вы можете расцеловать моего ****ing ишака.

It's not just abou the poor level of care obtained with socialized medicine. There will be caps put on Dr.'s salarys and any Dr. worth his education won';t be seen in socialized medicine.

The common folk will get the bottom feeder Dr. and you won't have a choice of who you are assigned.

What do you call a man/woman who passes the Medical exams with a D-?
You call them Doctor.

always the same sounds like republican theme. we cant have health care. we need the money to attack other countries. who can we bomb next. maybe cuba,

Sounds like nazi concentration camps to me. Not here in this country, not while I live.

The poor are not poor by choice as some conservatives would have people believe. Government programs are not that easy to get or keep despite what some conservatives would have folks believe.

It is sad to see people judge others on their life struggle just because they happen to have a different one.

It makes me sick to my stomach to see this kind of discrimination.

as a Russian i was raised in Alabama. i seen lots of racists. i was told once buy the KKK that i was worse then the blacks. [not what they said but wont repeat racist comment.]because i was not an American. i told them if your so proud why do you hide your face. i personal think republicans are racist.

the Camps... Or slavery...

What would be next?

Debtors Prison... Forced moon or asteriod prison colonies?

Wasn't this kinda crap tried in the past... Haven't we yet learned that this don't work.

It appears folks don't recognize the half a$$ed care we get now. So it's all about salary's huh? Sad. I'd like to see a cap on their salary frankly, other wise I don't see anyone affording it in the near future when only the doctors have the jobs. With many insurance companies you get bottom feeders anyway.

I guess everything these days might as well be about money because we ourselves to often are not social enough to care about anything else.

This is another part of the problem. A small part, but another part nonetheless.

I wish that were not the case, but I think it's more wide spread then people care to admit. Though I suspect that the insurance companies don't really care all that much because they benefit from that theft and add to it themselves.

I can not afford insurance, period. And I see people saying give up this or that to get it. I don't have anything to give up unless I give up electricity, water and basic phone service, and even if I did give up those nessessities I wouldn't be getting much of anything other than maybe bandade service on what I make. I can fix most things myself thankfully and I eat rigth to prevent much of the illnesses out there.

I won't expect anything if something comes along that I was not expecting, because even with a new health care system only those with good insurance will get good care. Won't be much different that I can see.

Hope I am dead wrong...

Carefuly with that. If people could afford better care, i'm sure they would get it. You really don't want to socialize medicine.

Yes, some doctors are overpaid. But you need to take into consideration a great deal of that goes towards malpractice insurance. Also, a great deal of it goes to pay back their schooling. And don't forget, they are upper/middle class (Most of them) which means most of the money left over goes to taxes. ANother thing you need to take into consideration is the fact that medicare and medicade doesn't pay the bills. At all really. So many are picking up the slack.

There is a lot to think about. But i would never want doctors to be capped, and Football players not be. Or baseball players, or actors, or anything like that. Doctors are often more educated and have a greater responsibility than all these roles combined. Hmmm...that's a lot of regulation to be thrown around... Economically this is never a good thing...

Anyhow, I'm in premed right now. I would love to be in a position to help people. But i flat out couldn't afford it unless i got paid $200,000 a year at least. Remember all the expenses i told you? No doctor would practice medicine for $50,000 a year I'm afraid...