Topic: health care
yellowrose10's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:05 PM
A Modern Version of the Hippocratic Oath

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:06 PM

so i guess your telling me. that if someone don't want to help. they should let them die.somehow i,m glad i,m not in USA right now. i,m sure republicans are saying we don't need health care. guess when your rich, you don't need much.


You aren't very logical are you?


Republicans aren't all rich.

Republicans aren't saying that we don't need healthcare, some of them are saying that we can't afford it, which is the truth.

No one said we should let anyone die. In fact, very few people, would allow this to happen in reality. Unless they have some wierd laws about the matter.

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:06 PM


let me put it this way...I am FAR from rich. I have always live paycheck to paycheck and struggled. I won't DEMAND someone, who happens to be more well off then me, pay for me. If they make the choice to...that is a wonderful thing to do. But I don't believe they should be forced to...but that is JMO


that is already happening rose

it is the fica tax taken from every civilians pay check

we all pay so if something happens to you there is a safty net and you are not setting on the corner with a tin cup

flowers


you are right...I am talking about extra money for this plan.

supermike48's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:10 PM
so let me get this right,we cant afford health care. but we can afford to make bombs.we can afford to rebuild Iraq but we cant help our poor people.

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:11 PM

so let me get this right,we cant afford health care. but we can afford to make bombs.we can afford to rebuild Iraq but we cant help our poor people.


personally I do believe we need to take care of our country before we can help other countries in need....as cold as that might sound.

supermike48's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:15 PM
i have to say we all may not agree on the issue. but each one of us has respect for other. to me thats nice,

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:15 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Wed 07/15/09 05:16 PM

so let me get this right,we cant afford health care. but we can afford to make bombs.we can afford to rebuild Iraq but we cant help our poor people.


drinker drinker drinker

And THAT, is the problem.

If we stopped nation building, and we stopped medicare, secured our borders, we could get rid of personal income tax which would completely turn the economy around, AND we could afford a healthcare plan. I would be all for it we cut our budgets in other places.

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:17 PM


so let me get this right,we cant afford health care. but we can afford to make bombs.we can afford to rebuild Iraq but we cant help our poor people.


drinker drinker drinker

And THAT, is the problem.

If we stopped nation building, and we stopped medicare, secured our borders, we could get rid of personal income tax which would completely turn the economy around, AND we could afford a healthcare plan. I would be all for it we cut our budgets in other places.


I think a lot of people would be for that compromise

supermike48's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:18 PM
not sure you get my point, what has our country come to. when we cant help our fellow man out, as for our borders, if you are waiting on our government to put up a wall. that day will never come, big business gives to much to our government on election time.

adj4u's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:20 PM


so let me get this right,we cant afford health care. but we can afford to make bombs.we can afford to rebuild Iraq but we cant help our poor people.


drinker drinker drinker

And THAT, is the problem.

If we stopped nation building, and we stopped medicare, secured our borders, we could get rid of personal income tax which would completely turn the economy around, AND we could afford a healthcare plan. I would be all for it we cut our budgets in other places.


medicare is paid for while you are working it is part of the fica

medicaid is the free system

what we need to do is start collecting from other countries we protect japan germany saudi arabia and anywhere else we have a base

we have enough mobile bases (aircraft carriers and there support groups to protect the u s) we pay them to be there talk about azz backwards

FearandLoathing's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:20 PM

not sure you get my point, what has our country come to. when we cant help our fellow man out, as for our borders, if you are waiting on our government to put up a wall. that day will never come, big business gives to much to our government on election time.


Your country is falling, falling quick. Few are trying to reverse it, even fewer are in a power position to do anything about it. Ron Paul had the right idea, but too few people supporting it.

Welcome to the United States, prison population roughly 304,059,724. Enjoy your stay.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:22 PM



so let me get this right,we cant afford health care. but we can afford to make bombs.we can afford to rebuild Iraq but we cant help our poor people.


drinker drinker drinker

And THAT, is the problem.

If we stopped nation building, and we stopped medicare, secured our borders, we could get rid of personal income tax which would completely turn the economy around, AND we could afford a healthcare plan. I would be all for it we cut our budgets in other places.


medicare is paid for while you are working it is part of the fica

medicaid is the free system

what we need to do is start collecting from other countries we protect japan germany saudi arabia and anywhere else we have a base

we have enough mobile bases (aircraft carriers and there support groups to protect the u s) we pay them to be there talk about azz backwards


This would all be apart of our bringing troops home IMO. BTW if you ever want to run for office you got my vote!drinker

supermike48's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:23 PM
i can personal say i have good health care. i had a heart attack 7 years ago. at the time i had no health insurance. i wish was joking but i,m not.of course i was in the army a long time. but as for va. i would not let them operate on my blowup doll along me.

adj4u's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:25 PM




so let me get this right,we cant afford health care. but we can afford to make bombs.we can afford to rebuild Iraq but we cant help our poor people.


drinker drinker drinker

And THAT, is the problem.

If we stopped nation building, and we stopped medicare, secured our borders, we could get rid of personal income tax which would completely turn the economy around, AND we could afford a healthcare plan. I would be all for it we cut our budgets in other places.


medicare is paid for while you are working it is part of the fica

medicaid is the free system

what we need to do is start collecting from other countries we protect japan germany saudi arabia and anywhere else we have a base

we have enough mobile bases (aircraft carriers and there support groups to protect the u s) we pay them to be there talk about azz backwards


This would all be apart of our bringing troops home IMO. BTW if you ever want to run for office you got my vote!drinker


you get the funding and i will take the assassins bullet

i ain't scared

supermike48's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:27 PM
Iraq war sponsor buy halburton.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:27 PM

not sure you get my point, what has our country come to. when we cant help our fellow man out, as for our borders, if you are waiting on our government to put up a wall. that day will never come, big business gives to much to our government on election time.


I totally got your point. And i totally agreed.

No wall, just exercise our laws.

Big business does benefit from the illegal immigrants, as do we to some extent.

Been reading up a lot on the economy. Interestingly enough, required benefits and high pay push businesses to higher illegals to survive. Ease up on some regs. The only thing, MAYBE, that should be regulated is CEO's pay.

Get rid of the illegals, and the cost of food could double. Then we figure out how to solve this problem. Meantime the cut in income tax would help people afford these products.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:28 PM

i can personal say i have good health care. i had a heart attack 7 years ago. at the time i had no health insurance. i wish was joking but i,m not.of course i was in the army a long time. but as for va. i would not let them operate on my blowup doll along me.


VA = socialized medicine

Once again, making my point.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:29 PM


not sure you get my point, what has our country come to. when we cant help our fellow man out, as for our borders, if you are waiting on our government to put up a wall. that day will never come, big business gives to much to our government on election time.


Your country is falling, falling quick. Few are trying to reverse it, even fewer are in a power position to do anything about it. Ron Paul had the right idea, but too few people supporting it.

Welcome to the United States, prison population roughly 304,059,724. Enjoy your stay.


drinker

Dragoness's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:29 PM


so let me get this right,we cant afford health care. but we can afford to make bombs.we can afford to rebuild Iraq but we cant help our poor people.


drinker drinker drinker

And THAT, is the problem.

If we stopped nation building, and we stopped medicare, secured our borders, we could get rid of personal income tax which would completely turn the economy around, AND we could afford a healthcare plan. I would be all for it we cut our budgets in other places.


I surely don't know how you went from stopping wars with other countries to save money to stopping medicare and securing our borders (sounds like a personal agenda there) to make the national health care possible but okay.

Agendas aside we can afford national health care and the nay sayers just don't want it, that is why they say we can't afford it.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 07/15/09 05:30 PM





so let me get this right,we cant afford health care. but we can afford to make bombs.we can afford to rebuild Iraq but we cant help our poor people.


drinker drinker drinker

And THAT, is the problem.

If we stopped nation building, and we stopped medicare, secured our borders, we could get rid of personal income tax which would completely turn the economy around, AND we could afford a healthcare plan. I would be all for it we cut our budgets in other places.


medicare is paid for while you are working it is part of the fica

medicaid is the free system

what we need to do is start collecting from other countries we protect japan germany saudi arabia and anywhere else we have a base

we have enough mobile bases (aircraft carriers and there support groups to protect the u s) we pay them to be there talk about azz backwards


This would all be apart of our bringing troops home IMO. BTW if you ever want to run for office you got my vote!drinker


you get the funding and i will take the assassins bullet

i ain't scared


I got $2 in my wallet, i think you may be safe...