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You measure a countries wealth not on the number of rich people but the care given to the indigent, elderly, disabled and poor. Not mine, someone else said it but it is true. We can go round and round on the legistics of universal healthcare but the truth is that it can be done, should be done and eventually will be done. I know it will because we as humans get smarter all the time and we will see the benefit of it eventually. Driven, you stay off my sugar. I need it on occasion and will not have anyone stand in my way....lol What constitutes freedoms if we cannot eat what we want to? The idea that someone else can govern what I eat, how often and why is a little excessive, don't ya think? they govern what you can smoke it is only a matter of time b4 they get to what you eat Indeed. Would be affective to put everyone on a healthcare plan requiring this huh? Everyone deserves to be taken care of when their sick, thats the bottom line. I have great coverage, I'm fortunate. Was not always that way. We have a responsibility to eachother. The all powerful USA is getting known all around the world for not taking care of it's citizens. What were doing isn't working, time to take another look.  Of course. I totally agree. Doctors have an oath to take care of the sick, money or no money. I don't think the government can solve this. I have no faith in that. But we do need to take care of people. Perhaps, get rid of medicare, and start a system like the VA for the population. Maybe this system can be preventive. But for emergancies, and for those that can pay, we keep our private system. I don't really know. I don't have the answers. But knowing that medicare is five years behind paying their bills to the hospitals, and knowing that the VA is flawed (which is socialized), do you really think the government is the answer to this? """"Of course. I totally agree. Doctors have an oath to take care of the sick, money or no money."""" is that not holding the doctor down and stealling from them why is that ok they already get lower pay from govt benefit plans Doctors used to have better reasons to become doctors, many will say today it's all about how much they can make. Stealing from them? Looks more like doctors have figure out how to milk these programs themsleves, then blame the poor for needing them. This is another part of the problem. A small part, but another part nonetheless. I wish that were not the case, but I think it's more wide spread then people care to admit. Though I suspect that the insurance companies don't really care all that much because they benefit from that theft and add to it themselves. I can not afford insurance, period. And I see people saying give up this or that to get it. I don't have anything to give up unless I give up electricity, water and basic phone service, and even if I did give up those nessessities I wouldn't be getting much of anything other than maybe bandade service on what I make. I can fix most things myself thankfully and I eat rigth to prevent much of the illnesses out there. I won't expect anything if something comes along that I was not expecting, because even with a new health care system only those with good insurance will get good care. Won't be much different that I can see. Hope I am dead wrong... It is how i said. Insurance companies would not stand for it because they pay the bill. Think about it. The insurance company is going to pay the smallest amount possible... Procedures are quite expensive. Don't forget there are nurses and CNA's to pay too... Lots and lots of factors. |
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You measure a countries wealth not on the number of rich people but the care given to the indigent, elderly, disabled and poor. Not mine, someone else said it but it is true. We can go round and round on the legistics of universal healthcare but the truth is that it can be done, should be done and eventually will be done. I know it will because we as humans get smarter all the time and we will see the benefit of it eventually. Driven, you stay off my sugar. I need it on occasion and will not have anyone stand in my way....lol What constitutes freedoms if we cannot eat what we want to? The idea that someone else can govern what I eat, how often and why is a little excessive, don't ya think? You are incorrect, i believe, about the measure of a country's wealth. Honestly you have to measure all aspects. The rich, the poor, and the middle class. You extend benefits to the people as a whole. And i am not saying that we will not have the freedom to choose what we eat. I am just saying, that if we have an FDA, they should do their job, and label poison as poison. There is no difference between even a moderate amount of refined table sugar and a moderate amount of arsenic. In small doses, over along period of time, they will both lead to health problems. The problem isn't sugar, it's REFINED sugar. Sugar is essential to your body, but unless accompanied byt the proper amount of nutrients, like what is found in fruit, it becomes toxic. 100 years ago the average sugar intake was less than 30 lbs a year. Now it is over 120 lbs a year. I would prefer to merely educate people, and let them decide for themselves what they should and shouldn't have. But i won't take care of you if you don't take care of yourself. Understand? It is funny how you and other spout off about freedoms but do not afford them. I will not take care of you if you do not take care of yourself. This really gets into alot of more indepth conversation but for a brief. Poor people cannot afford to eat properly, the cheapest foods are the most unhealthy. If they are poor it doesn't mean it is their fault they are poor so you cannot say we cannot care for the poor if they live unhealthy, they have no choice. If we are a county of freedoms people need to have the freedoms to do what they do within the law. If caring for them in illness or elder after they live their lives in freedom means we have to care for those who were unhealthy, that is what freedom means. Caring for our poor elderly disabled is important and I will not ever stand for our country to not do it. So we can make the programs more efficient, more viable but to end them because of the freedoms of the people who need them, never. Funny....last i heard you can still buy produce at the grocery store with food stamps. The rest can be supplemented. Poor people aren't comepletely inable to take care of themselves you know. Many choose not too because it's easier to get fast food. Don't get me wrong, i acknowledge that many do struggle I was speaking figuratively. But, nonetheless, i suppose i wouldn't help anyone voluntarily that wasn't at least trying to help themselves... BTW, i am a CNA in premed so, I think you misunderstood me about taking care of people... |
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always a excuse why we cant have health care. that's why i will never consider myself and America, you don't care about your fellow man how shameful.
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always a excuse why we cant have health care. that's why i will never consider myself and America, you don't care about your fellow man how shameful. WTF? 
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always a excuse why we cant have health care. that's why i will never consider myself and America, you don't care about your fellow man how shameful. I know this is hard to wrap your head around, but i never mentioned that we shouldn't have healthcare. What i am trying to introduce is the brand new idea of actually thinking things through and planning, economically, fiscally, etc, instead of just adding wood to the burning building. (Thank you Adventure for that metaphor  )
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now now lets don't get in to name calling. what you said is we cant afford it. i got an idea . why don't we drop a few less bombs in Iraq. and get some health care.as i work in Iraq. regardless of what you have heard from the government, Iraq people are not bad people. they have suffer enough first Saddam then your army.
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now now lets don't get in to name calling. what you said is we cant afford it. i got an idea . why don't we drop a few less bombs in Iraq. and get some health care.as i work in Iraq. regardless of what you have heard from the government, Iraq people are not bad people. they have suffer enough first Saddam then your army. I agree. Mind our own business. Pull all troops out of everywhere, eliminated the FED, Melt the medicare/medicade money into this new program. Sound familiar? Then, and only then, can we start to talk about a national healthcare plan while not being fiscally retarded. |
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hold i said Iraq. i did not say pull out of afghanistan. i would say bomb them in to the stone age. but hell that might be a step up for them.if you took the money they have wasted in Iraq in over 6 years. you could pay for health care for everybody.
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always a excuse why we cant have health care. that's why i will never consider myself and America, you don't care about your fellow man how shameful. Come on now, that isn't fair to all the americans that do care about their fellow man, seriously, not all americans don't give a damn, even when what we experience doesn't alway suggest it. |
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well the way i see it,if someone has brown skin in this country. then they don't matter. discounting Mexicans.people die everyday in this country, and the government keeps bombing away.
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Wed 07/15/09 10:12 PM
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hold i said Iraq. i did not say pull out of afghanistan. i would say bomb them in to the stone age. but hell that might be a step up for them.if you took the money they have wasted in Iraq in over 6 years. you could pay for health care for everybody. Why? Taliban is not running the country anymore... We either mind our own business or we don't. And BTW healthcare is going to be much more expensive than iraq was. More productive, yes, but also way more expensive. |
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no your wrong. do you no how much money has been wasted in Iraq billion of dollars. many lives. American and Iraq. it goes to take years for our soldier to get over this. how many American lives have been destroyed, you care to take a guess. all based on a lie.
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no your wrong. do you no how much money has been wasted in Iraq billion of dollars. many lives. American and Iraq. it goes to take years for our soldier to get over this. how many American lives have been destroyed, you care to take a guess. all based on a lie. Have you reaserched how much a healthcare plan for the U.S. would cost? Maybe false intel led us to Afganistan??? Could be. New philosophy. Mind our own business. When someone attacks us, make sure we know who it is, destroy them and come home. No rebuilding. |
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in the afghanistan war i have to change sides. if we would have went to afghanistan first. instead of some wild goose chase in iraq, would be better. either through i don't believe we will every win in afghanistan. you can bomb what u cant see, those mountains are hell. you can hide anywhere. its unwinnable.
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