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But...it's not against the law. He wasn't arrested and his flag was returned the next day! He should consider it a polite warning.  A warning for what? He didn't break the law - no fines, no jail. He did offend people but no law was broken. |
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Edited by
JimmyTheGent
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Sat 07/11/09 07:10 PM
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Sorry, the flag is a symbol. I'd die for my country. But not my flag. I support my troops. And I am grateful for those that have died so that I can be free. I think the guy is out of line. But it doesn't bother me in the least what he chooses to do with his flag. I agree completely bro! I agree as well Count me in, too. I may hate what you do, but I'll defend to the death your right to do it. It's what the flag stands for, not the physical piece of cloth that's important. |
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Really!? Then why is such a big deal that a veteran's casket is draped with it, and it's then folded methodically, reverently, and then presented to the spouse?
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Sat 07/11/09 08:17 PM
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Really!? Then why is such a big deal that a veteran's casket is draped with it, and it's then folded methodically, reverently, and then presented to the spouse? It is a symbolism of dying in (under) service to your country. An award, much as a medal would be. The military is big on protocol and regiment and if they didn't give it to a surviving spouse or mother what would you suggest they do with it? The actions are ceremonial in military fashion, a long standing, customary, drill and etiquet routine, as is a 21 gun salute. |
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Really!? Then why is such a big deal that a veteran's casket is draped with it, and it's then folded methodically, reverently, and then presented to the spouse? It's a big deal because it is symbolic of the service to his country. But the flag itself is a symbol. If it's burned, shredded, or hung upside down it doesn't do a thing to me or my country. It's just distasteful. |
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Sorry, the flag is a symbol. I'd die for my country. But not my flag. I support my troops. And I am grateful for those that have died so that I can be free. I think the guy is out of line. But it doesn't bother me in the least what he chooses to do with his flag. I agree completely bro! I agree as well Count me in, too. I may hate what you do, but I'll defend to the death your right to do it. It's what the flag stands for, not the physical piece of cloth that's important. Me too! I have had family members/loved ones serve in every war including the current, and I agree, I will defend a person's right to be the biggest butt head in the neighborhood, it doesn't say anything about my love and respect for my family members or the guys serving right now. I am not sure how anyone can say they served their country to preserve freedom, then in the same breath want to deny that freedom. And punish someone for exercising it. Are we a democracy or a dictatorship? |
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wow boo...you have your debate hat on...
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He has achieved what he wanted, and that is national coverage. Maybe overshot his aims, but he was probably unable to do anything else.
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He has achieved what he wanted, and that is national coverage. Maybe overshot his aims, but he was probably unable to do anything else. I wonder if he even expected national coverage, but with the hypersensitivity of the country right now, I guess one should expect it. I feel for the guy actually, my parents went through something very similar with a restaurant, and they were not rich by any stretch of the imagination. They were approved and spent ever last penny they had and lots of blood sweat and tears, and then the local government said my parents never requested whatever it was at the time, when the had..They went through bloody hell, though in the end they won out but it almost destroyed them and their little restaurant. Of course my dad who was in the war didn't hang his flag upside down, but I can at least feel for the guy being at wits end. He has to jump through hoops to comply and there are entities getting free money from Washington with no strings attached. I kinda like to look at the whole picture. Maybe the guy was just exhausted and fed up and distraught, who knows, but I hate to hear about police forcing their way in to a man's home, that scares me. |
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wow boo...you have your debate hat on... Meatballs don't wear hats, you silly.. |
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regardless of whether find it disrespectful or not...he was within his right. the police had no business doing anything but making sure the peace was kept....even if that meant telling everyone else to ignore it and stay away.
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Really!? Then why is such a big deal that a veteran's casket is draped with it, and it's then folded methodically, reverently, and then presented to the spouse? I stood by at the military funerals of my father and two of my uncles, one of whom was a Pearl Harbor survivor. I watched that flag be presented to my mother. And I can guarantee you that all 3 of them, the biggest patriots you will ever find in this world, would stand up and say, "I fought for that guy's right to fly his flag any way he wants". That's what makes us Americans. Patriots like them. RIP, Dad. Thanks for instilling in me the same patriotism you had. |
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He has achieved what he wanted, and that is national coverage. Maybe overshot his aims, but he was probably unable to do anything else. I wonder if he even expected national coverage, but with the hypersensitivity of the country right now, I guess one should expect it. I feel for the guy actually, my parents went through something very similar with a restaurant, and they were not rich by any stretch of the imagination. They were approved and spent ever last penny they had and lots of blood sweat and tears, and then the local government said my parents never requested whatever it was at the time, when the had..They went through bloody hell, though in the end they won out but it almost destroyed them and their little restaurant. Of course my dad who was in the war didn't hang his flag upside down, but I can at least feel for the guy being at wits end. He has to jump through hoops to comply and there are entities getting free money from Washington with no strings attached. I kinda like to look at the whole picture. Maybe the guy was just exhausted and fed up and distraught, who knows, but I hate to hear about police forcing their way in to a man's home, that scares me. There are times when you try everything and nothing works, so let's do something drastic. He has the right whatever he wants to do with the flag on his own property, but deep down we all know he wanted something to be seen by others to gain attention. I expect more similar stuff to happen in the near future. |
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But...it's not against the law. He wasn't arrested and his flag was returned the next day! He should consider it a polite warning. A warning for what? He didn't break the law - no fines, no jail. He did offend people but no law was broken. You are right... He did not break the law... and yet police officers entered his property and removed his property. Without his permission. Reckon we are concentrating on the wrong wrong... Not what was done with a piece of cloth but rather what has been done to a piece of paper... The US Constitution. |
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Really!? Then why is such a big deal that a veteran's casket is draped with it, and it's then folded methodically, reverently, and then presented to the spouse? I stood by at the military funerals of my father and two of my uncles, one of whom was a Pearl Harbor survivor. I watched that flag be presented to my mother. And I can guarantee you that all 3 of them, the biggest patriots you will ever find in this world, would stand up and say, "I fought for that guy's right to fly his flag any way he wants". That's what makes us Americans. Patriots like them. RIP, Dad. Thanks for instilling in me the same patriotism you had. 
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He has achieved what he wanted, and that is national coverage. Maybe overshot his aims, but he was probably unable to do anything else. I wonder if he even expected national coverage, but with the hypersensitivity of the country right now, I guess one should expect it. I feel for the guy actually, my parents went through something very similar with a restaurant, and they were not rich by any stretch of the imagination. They were approved and spent ever last penny they had and lots of blood sweat and tears, and then the local government said my parents never requested whatever it was at the time, when the had..They went through bloody hell, though in the end they won out but it almost destroyed them and their little restaurant. Of course my dad who was in the war didn't hang his flag upside down, but I can at least feel for the guy being at wits end. He has to jump through hoops to comply and there are entities getting free money from Washington with no strings attached. I kinda like to look at the whole picture. Maybe the guy was just exhausted and fed up and distraught, who knows, but I hate to hear about police forcing their way in to a man's home, that scares me. There are times when you try everything and nothing works, so let's do something drastic. He has the right whatever he wants to do with the flag on his own property, but deep down we all know he wanted something to be seen by others to gain attention. I expect more similar stuff to happen in the near future. Actually you may very well be correct. I just don't know for a fact that is the case. Personally I don't see that as drastic, I would think drastic would have been to take someone hostage. I would not have even thought of hanging the flag upside down, I probably would have thought, oh geezs, that guys flag is upside down, and payed it no more attention. I think it says something about the state of anxiety in our country rigth now that this would even be a big deal. Again I love my family members who have served despite what this man chose to do on his own and on his property. |
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During the NINE years I was in the Army, we learned something called flag etiquette (sp). It went right along with respecting your superiors, and maintenance of military equipment. The things they drill into your head on a regular basis.
To honor our flag properly, it is to be raised at a certain pace, and lowered at the same pace. Folded when brought to the post(flagpole), and then unfurled to be hung for the raising, and then saluted. This is done in reverse order when the flag is taken down. If the flag is to be out overnight, it is to have a light unto itself. Not a streetlight that just happens to be nearby, but a light that is specifically for the flag, preferably positioned at the base of the flag, pointing upwards to the sky, so that those that have gone to Heaven may see it. I'm a member of the VFW, and the American Legion. Walk into any post anywhere that there's an American serviceman, and ask them this question. When's the only time the flag should be flown upside-down? They will answer: When on a boat, and under distress. I LOVE the Constitution, don't get me wrong. He has the Right to free speech. But.. There is still a debate in the Supreme Court about where to draw the line between free speech, and the US flag. Drape a flag on the ground, and if I see you do it, I'll be going to jail for kicking your ***. Just me expressing my free speech. http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/faq.htm |
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During the NINE years I was in the Army, we learned something called flag etiquette (sp). It went right along with respecting your superiors, and maintenance of military equipment. The things they drill into your head on a regular basis. To honor our flag properly, it is to be raised at a certain pace, and lowered at the same pace. Folded when brought to the post(flagpole), and then unfurled to be hung for the raising, and then saluted. This is done in reverse order when the flag is taken down. If the flag is to be out overnight, it is to have a light unto itself. Not a streetlight that just happens to be nearby, but a light that is specifically for the flag, preferably positioned at the base of the flag, pointing upwards to the sky, so that those that have gone to Heaven may see it. I'm a member of the VFW, and the American Legion. Walk into any post anywhere that there's an American serviceman, and ask them this question. When's the only time the flag should be flown upside-down? They will answer: When on a boat, and under distress. I LOVE the Constitution, don't get me wrong. He has the Right to free speech. But.. There is still a debate in the Supreme Court about where to draw the line between free speech, and the US flag. Drape a flag on the ground, and if I see you do it, I'll be going to jail for kicking your ***. Just me expressing my free speech. http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/faq.htm I'll come bail you out brother
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This kind of reminds me of people pitching a fit years ago over American flag underwear.
To me, THAT is what clarified my stance on the issue. Yes, the flag is an Iconic symbol that represents many ideals that are Holy to many of us.... But, when one American tells another American that you can't wear those clothes.... That is as Un-American as it gets! In fact it is the same principles employed across the Moslem nations. Seems like the same thing with this issue....... |
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so now people want to pick and choose what legal freedoms we have???? sorry but the military served for my freedoms...but not to decide that I can only have the freedoms that suit them
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