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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 07/01/09 09:43 PM
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Is truth true because we believe it or do we believe it because it is true? If everyone thinks something is true, and it is not true, is it true or not? If not, how would you know? the earth was flat in 1200 was it true because it was the public mind set or just a misconception of the reality because of the falsehood Right, there is always the veil of perception on human senses. As creative mentioned truth is a statement. I would say truth is a belief statement. I don't know why you (Creative and Jeromy) should argue about anything as you are both so grounded in the physical, and you are both a couple of brains comparing notes or swapping data and trying to find a common meaning for the words you use. If you two would just agree to adhere strictly to a common dictionary definition of words, you would have to agree on everything. Tell me this: We know that skin and tissue and cells can be kept alive after a person dies, is this also true with brain matter? If so, do you know of any brains or brain matter that has been kept alive? If this is possible do you think this brain matter could have an idea or actually think? Perhaps when science perfects their mind reading technology they will be able to find out if a mind and a brain are the same thing. I don't think they are. I don't think there is enough real evidence to prove that they are. I think that consciousness is not a thing but a process. If that process if sufficiently interrupted it cannot restart from memory. This is death. The flesh may go on, but without this process . . . |
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Edited by
JaneStar1
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Thu 07/02/09 02:57 PM
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... JB contends:
Perhaps when science perfects their mind reading technology they will be able to find out if a mind and a brain are the same thing. I don't think they are. I don't think there is enough real evidence to prove that they are. Certainly, you are absolutely Right -- a mind and a brain are NOT the same thing: BRAIN: a mass of bio-tissue... MIND: a product of experience, that is HOUSED in a Brain. Though -- in regard to Humans -- a Mind cannot exist without a Brain (while the opposite phenomenon is quite wide spread, i.e. mindless brains are everywhere...  Perhaps, at some other worlds, a mind might be housed at the knee cup -- if those aliens even have such a body part as a Right leg... 
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... JB contends: Perhaps when science perfects their mind reading technology they will be able to find out if a mind and a brain are the same thing. I don't think they are. I don't think there is enough real evidence to prove that they are. Certainly, you are absolutely Right -- a mind and a brain are NOT the same thing: BRAIN: a mass of bio-tissue... MIND: a product of experience, that is HOUSED in a Brain. Though -- in regard to Humans -- a Mind cannot exist without a Brain (while the opposite phenomenon is quite wide spread, i.e. mindless brains are everywhere... Perhaps, at some other worlds, a mind might be housed at the knee cup -- if those aliens even have such a body part as a Right leg... |
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Edited by
SkyHook5652
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Thu 07/02/09 07:52 PM
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 07/03/09 07:21 AM
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 I understand. 
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Interesting additions...
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Is truth true because we believe it or do we believe it because it is true? If everyone thinks something is true, and it is not true, is it true or not? If not, how would you know? the earth was flat in 1200 was it true because it was the public mind set or just a misconception of the reality because of the falsehood Or perhaps simply a fear of the unknown. As the current belief in a limiting factor (light) to exploring the universe we can now see. |
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 Reality is only an illusion that occurs due to a lack of alcohol
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There is no truth or falsity...it just is.
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There is no truth or falsity...it just is. Wow, grrrrrrrany, you sure are a deep thinker! I wonder how you manage to "swim" in the sea of "it just is" ? ? ? 
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Edited by
JaneStar1
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Sat 07/04/09 11:56 PM
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IBYP, Sky, I do not exactly comprehend your resentment:
is it directed at my observation regarding the difference between a brain and a mind, or at billy's comment (I mean, What kind of a dirty "Hook" is that, Sky ?)  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . There's a syntax Error in your message: MISSING STATEMENT Fatal Error -- function terminated... _______________ 
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Reality is only an illusion that occurs due to a lack of alcohol Reality is an illusion of mind, albeit a persistent one. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 07/05/09 09:17 PM
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The 'brain' is like a computer. The 'mind' is the operating system and software. The spirit self (the authentic self) is the user.
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The 'brain' is like a computer. The 'mind' is the operating system and software. The spirit self (the authentic self) is the user. Then who's the SYSTEMS ANALYST? ? ? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 07/05/09 09:51 PM
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The 'brain' is like a computer. The 'mind' is the operating system and software. The spirit self (the authentic self) is the user. Then who's the SYSTEMS ANALYST? ? ? The prime source, the original thinking self... it has many system analysts. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Mon 07/06/09 07:30 AM
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The 'brain' is like a computer. The 'mind' is the operating system and software. The spirit self (the authentic self) is the user. Then who's the SYSTEMS ANALYST? ? ? Its a fallacy to look for an ultimate decider in the brain. There is no finish line where data crosses the line and becomes conscious, there is no ultimate observer, or analyst in the brain. Our first person perspective gives rise to the illusion that this must be so . . . it is incorrect, yet tempting to visualize. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 07/06/09 08:27 AM
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The 'brain' is like a computer. The 'mind' is the operating system and software. The spirit self (the authentic self) is the user. Then who's the SYSTEMS ANALYST? ? ? Its a fallacy to look for an ultimate decider in the brain. There is no finish line where data crosses the line and becomes conscious, there is no ultimate observer, or analyst in the brain. Our first person perspective gives rise to the illusion that this must be so . . . it is incorrect, yet tempting to visualize. "Its a fallacy to look for an ultimate decider in the brain. It is ignorant not to. You are wrong about that Jeromy. But you are right that it isn't "a man" behind the curtain. (This is just your opinion anyway. You don't have enough data to know this is incorrect.) Self is self. The consciousness behind the curtain is the ultimate self. It is you, it is me, it is all that is. I am not "a brain." You are not a brain. If that is all we are, then we don't even exist, because this that you call 'matter' is nothing but light and sound and vibration. It is a dream, a holographic illusion. It is all created by MIND. It has been demonstrated that the decisions (executed by the brain) are made before the brain goes into action. The brain only executes the decision. It does not make the decision. Also, when manipulating parts of the brain to make a subject's arm move, the doctor could cause the arm to move by touching a place in the brain. Also, the subject could make the arm move. Always, the subject knew when he was making the arm move and when the doctor was doing it. So... who is the subject? From where is he making his decisions? Why can't he prevent the doctor from causing his arm to move if he is the brain? If the doctor has control of the brain and the arm moving decision, how and from where does the subject make the decision? What I am getting at, is if the brain MAKES the decision to move the arm, then why can both the subject and the doctor initiate the command to cause the brain to make the arm move? The conclusion is that the brain does not make the decision. It simply executes the command from stimuli it receives from the decision maker. If "who we are" were only "our brains," then we could be completely and totally controlled like robots with the right technology and programing. There would be no free will involved. Your conclusions are flawed. You are incorrect. Not only that, they are illogical and incomplete. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 07/06/09 08:36 AM
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The body and the brain are actually perfectly designed to be totally controlled by the user. It comes with its own inner programing for survival. Just like when you buy a computer, it comes with its own operating system. So it is with the human body. It is designed for the user. The user is the true spiritual self that enters the body at birth or directly afterwards. People call this the soul, but it is more than that. It is a life stream that connects to the higher mind and spirit worlds and gives life to the biological machine you call your body.
Without this connection the body would die. When a person dies, this connection is broken. You can reject this information and it is likely that you will, because it has not yet been proven by common science. But there are some who know this for a fact and others who will never have this information or proof of it. |
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Is truth true because we believe it or do we believe it because it is true? If everyone thinks something is true, and it is not true, is it true or not? If not, how would you know? it is a pointless question with no answer so why waste time on it? and that's the TRUTH....thbbbbbt....
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Mon 07/06/09 08:40 AM
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The 'brain' is like a computer. The 'mind' is the operating system and software. The spirit self (the authentic self) is the user. Then who's the SYSTEMS ANALYST? ? ? Its a fallacy to look for an ultimate decider in the brain. There is no finish line where data crosses the line and becomes conscious, there is no ultimate observer, or analyst in the brain. Our first person perspective gives rise to the illusion that this must be so . . . it is incorrect, yet tempting to visualize. "Its a fallacy to look for an ultimate decider in the brain. It is ignorant not to. You are wrong about that Jeromy. But you are right that it isn't "a man" behind the curtain. (This is just your opinion anyway. You don't have enough data to know this is incorrect.) Self is self. The consciousness behind the curtain is the ultimate self. It is you, it is me, it is all that is. I am not "a brain." You are not a brain. If that is all we are, then we don't even exist, because this that you call 'matter' is nothing but light and sound and vibration. It is a dream, a holographic illusion. It is all created by MIND. It has been demonstrated that the decisions (executed by the brain) are made before the brain goes into action. The brain only executes the decision. It does not make the decision. Also, when manipulating parts of the brain to make a subject's arm move, the doctor could cause the arm to move by touching a place in the brain. Also, the subject could make the arm move. Always, the subject knew when he was making the arm move and when the doctor was doing it. So... who is the subject? From where is he making his decisions? Why can't he prevent the doctor from causing his arm to move if he is the brain? If the doctor has control of the brain and the arm moving decision, how and from where does the subject make the decision? What I am getting at, is if the brain MAKES the decision to move the arm, then why can both the subject and the doctor initiate the command to cause the brain to make the arm move? The conclusion is that the brain does not make the decision. It simply executes the command from stimuli it receives from the decision maker. If "who we are" were only "our brains," then we could be completely and totally controlled like robots with the right technology and programing. There would be no free will involved. Your conclusions are flawed. You are incorrect. Not only that, they are illogical and incomplete. The issue with timing you raised has been settled. In fact it is a particularly strong piece of evidence against a center point, or analyzer existing. "Consciousness Explained" By Dan Dennet goes into great detail on this issue and other related issues. |
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