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Fri 07/10/09 01:23 PM


Thanx a lot, JB, for a poetic & realistic explanation! Sounds like you've been through the motion of re-incarnation a few times yourself..

Another words, "spirits" have no "Freedom of Choice" as to what peice of flesh they're gonna possess? ("You have no idea what you are being born into. That is the random method.")

Yet, at the same time you maintain that "some spirits will Not choose the earth incarnation experience'... That indicates they do have some degree of choice: "choosing whether or not you wish to be born."
I guess, that explains why some people are born Schizoid -- because two or more spirits enter the same body! * * *

And, since you mentioned "there are infinite number of spiritual beings in the mind worlds -- they all have their own jobs and functions, just like any world" -- ISN'T THERE SOME KIND OF A HIERARCHY as to Who, Whem, Where? ? ? (without that, there wold be a total chaos, an Anarchy, if yo wish! -- er, as they wish!)



Yes I imagine there is quite a hierarchy in place and also even 'power struggles' in some worlds just like in ours.

(Heck even the Bible talks about 'the war in heaven.')

As for "choice of the piece of flesh," yes they do have some general choices but there are sometimes not very many choices available and they will grab whatever they can get! They know that the flesh can be molded and circumstances can be changed once they get in. Their 'karma' is nothing more than the wisdom and knowledge they have obtained in their other lives that they manage to retain when they arrive here.

My apologies to hard core skeptics who believe this is a bunch of fantasy. Oh well. ohwell :tongue:
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Thanx, JB.
First of, allow me to join you in appologies to hard core skiptics, who suggested studying some questionable theories -- I wouldn't want to get even more confused than I already am: thus, I'll take JB's word about it, since she already started reading...
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Nevertheless, JB, I couldn't completely escape the confusion:
at first, you mentioned -- referring to "spirits" -- "You have no idea what you are being born into. That is the random method". And now you say, "yes they do have some general choices but there are sometimes not very many choices available and they will grab whatever they can get..."

And what about the individual's Free Will -- is it completely dissolved?
Example: in my early 20's, I've known a guy -- very clever and quite an ambitious fellow -- who was determined to make something of himself. Unfortunately, the circumstances prevented him from pursuing his dreams: instead of dwelling the books, he'd rather have fun with his friends... Though, once, he confided in me:
apparently, he was tormented with his inability of forcing himself to devote the necessary attention to his dreams -- the temptation of having fun has been overpowering... Thus, he began contemplating a temporary tragedy that would knock him out of the vicious circle of Work-Fun... But he's been afraid of inflicting harm upon himself -- therefore he found himself stuck in indecision...
In time, his brother has gone on a trip outside of the country... And my friend took his brother's car -- unaware of the fact that the tires were completely bald... And he got involved in the automobile accident! (suffering a Clinical death!) For 12 days he's been in a coma, and just before the doctors decided upon turning the life-support system off, he opened his eyes...
Took him another year to recover... And then he entered the university! Today, he's a Programmer/Analyst.

What's happened in that case? Have the "spirits" changed during his Clinical death? Or has it been the same one all along?
I know, that's a tall order to fill... Nevertheless, I'd value your opinion, if you could shed a bit of light into this dark matter!

__________________flowerforyou ____________________



I think people have many aspects to their personalities that I call psyche's. They are different personalities or different desires that develop within a person. One of his psyche's wanted to have fun. Another one wanted to accomplish something worthwhile. These different aspects of ourselves (and there can be many) all need to be nourished and they all need to express themselves. Usually one of them will take charge and become the dominant personality.

When a 'psyche' is ignored or not nourished and allowed to express itself, one way or another it will find a way to get noticed or acknowledge. This is also where self-sabotage comes into play. A person who does not like his job might get sick to get out of it, or do something to get himself fired. He has no idea that he did it on purpose because it was done on a subconscious level by one of his psyche's that absolutely hated that job.

People who are conflicted about what they want in life, or who they are or how they feel are often at odds with their own different aspects or inner psyche's. They don't agree with themselves. They ignore some of their inner desires, they criticize themselves and sabotage each other.

The thing to do is to form an inner council and listen to all of your inner psyche's that are speaking to you and ask them what they want. They can all be nourished and allowed to express themselves. Ignoring them will cause a rift in self harmony.

In your friend's case there is no telling what happened with that psyche who took the car and recked it. He may still be in there recovering from the fear and shock of it. But a new psyche stepped up to the plate and took over the head of 'self' who was more responsible perhaps.

These are all just different parts of the developing person of the authentic self. The authentic self watches and grows as all of these aspects grow and develop into the person that you choose to become.

There is always the WILL. The Will is always free. The Will is the authentic self who many times simply watches. If you are letting the authentic self direct your life and your attention, you are using the will. If you are not, you are allowing one of your little selves or psyche's to be the director.




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Sat 07/11/09 12:40 AM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Sat 07/11/09 12:57 AM
-------------------------------July 11th----------------------------

I think people have many aspects to their personalities that I call psyche's. They are different personalities or different desires that develop within a person.
There is always the WILL. The Will is always free. The Will is the authentic self who many times simply watches. If you are letting the authentic self direct your life and your attention, you are using the will. If you are not, you are allowing one of your little selves or psyche's to be the director.

Fascinating!!!
The concept of multiple psyche's -- as realistic as it seems -- almost borders with with the Multiple Personalities disorder!!!
Now I undrstand what's tormented my friend: he must've let those other little selves/psyche's to be direstors... And I'm wondering how/why all of those other little directors have allowed him to use the will for ovethrowing their control?
{I guess, the will is stronger than all of those directors put together(?) }

... From that point of view, it follows that a person is usually occupied by more than one spirit at once (i.e. Multiple Occupation), with the strongest finally taking control over the rest of them -- commonly referred to as the Maturation!
No wonder most of the teenagers are often teared apart in different directions when deciding upon whom they want to be...
Though not always, since some of them appear to be dead set upon pursuing a certain career, i.e. a path of life... Probably, some people are occupied by a Single spirit -- Singular Occupation. Certainly, the parents play a big role in determining the primary essence of a child... (but not always)

Personally, I've always been carrying the inner dialogue since I was born under the Zodiak sign of Gemini. Can you imagine that on top of the "Multiple Occupation"? ? ? biggrin
Kinda makes it hard determining which decision is the authentic and which comes from the "directors"? ! ! Though, eventually, I've learned to differentiate between the two...


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Sat 07/11/09 10:29 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 07/11/09 10:33 PM

-------------------------------July 11th----------------------------

I think people have many aspects to their personalities that I call psyche's. They are different personalities or different desires that develop within a person.
There is always the WILL. The Will is always free. The Will is the authentic self who many times simply watches. If you are letting the authentic self direct your life and your attention, you are using the will. If you are not, you are allowing one of your little selves or psyche's to be the director.

Fascinating!!!
The concept of multiple psyche's -- as realistic as it seems -- almost borders with with the Multiple Personalities disorder!!!
Now I undrstand what's tormented my friend: he must've let those other little selves/psyche's to be direstors... And I'm wondering how/why all of those other little directors have allowed him to use the will for ovethrowing their control?
{I guess, the will is stronger than all of those directors put together(?) }

... From that point of view, it follows that a person is usually occupied by more than one spirit at once (i.e. Multiple Occupation), with the strongest finally taking control over the rest of them -- commonly referred to as the Maturation!
No wonder most of the teenagers are often teared apart in different directions when deciding upon whom they want to be...
Though not always, since some of them appear to be dead set upon pursuing a certain career, i.e. a path of life... Probably, some people are occupied by a Single spirit -- Singular Occupation. Certainly, the parents play a big role in determining the primary essence of a child... (but not always)

Personally, I've always been carrying the inner dialogue since I was born under the Zodiak sign of Gemini. Can you imagine that on top of the "Multiple Occupation"? ? ? biggrin
Kinda makes it hard determining which decision is the authentic and which comes from the "directors"? ! ! Though, eventually, I've learned to differentiate between the two...




I have noticed the different psyche's at work within in my personality for quite some time. They are all different aspects of my person, and they dwell and have their expression IN and through ME. They all serve to make up my complete Personality, which sometimes is varied and conflicted. (I don't always agree with myself on some issues.)

When you learn to recognize and acknowledge these different aspects of yourself and validate them as individuals, you can form a council that works for the good of the whole person. There is a hierarchy among the psyche's. They all need to have their voices heard. As you grow as a person, new psyche's are created.

They all live in the force of your life stream, they are not separate entities from you, they are part of you, and together they add up to being you.

The 'split' personality disorder separates some of these psyche's and they cannot share experience or communicate with each other as one unless they are a dominant psyche.

In cases of extreme trauma, the dominant psyche can be destroyed and sometimes a lesser or different psyche has to take the roll of the self.








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Sun 07/12/09 12:45 AM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Sun 07/12/09 01:06 AM
In cases of extreme trauma, the dominant psyche can be destroyed and sometimes a lesser or different psyche has to take the roll of the self.


Admit it, JB, you must've known my friend, because that's exactly what he's told me, with some minor (or, may be, major) distinction:
In his case, the dominant psyche of his has been temporarily overtaken by the lesser one... Though, not completely, it would seem, since he would experience those "hot flashes" -- "C'mon, wake up, stop wasting time...-- from the overtaken dominant psyche (every now and then)!

->> Yet, I'm wondering how could have he known everything would work out?!!(that's been a_hell_of a risky gumble) After all, the accident left him (temporarily) crippled! The reason I say "temporarily" is because, in time, he's made a complete recovery -- although it's taken a few years... (besides, he hasn't been aware of the multiple psyche's at that time, although both of us have been influenced by the power of Hypnosis for quite a while.)
Nevertheless, he's achieved his main objective! (I guess, "means justify the ends"?)

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Sun 07/12/09 10:35 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 07/12/09 10:43 AM

In cases of extreme trauma, the dominant psyche can be destroyed and sometimes a lesser or different psyche has to take the roll of the self.


Admit it, JB, you must've known my friend, because that's exactly what he's told me, with some minor (or, may be, major) distinction:
In his case, the dominant psyche of his has been temporarily overtaken by the lesser one... Though, not completely, it would seem, since he would experience those "hot flashes" -- "C'mon, wake up, stop wasting time...-- from the overtaken dominant psyche (every now and then)!

->> Yet, I'm wondering how could have he known everything would work out?!!(that's been a_hell_of a risky gumble) After all, the accident left him (temporarily) crippled! The reason I say "temporarily" is because, in time, he's made a complete recovery -- although it's taken a few years... (besides, he hasn't been aware of the multiple psyche's at that time, although both of us have been influenced by the power of Hypnosis for quite a while.)
Nevertheless, he's achieved his main objective! (I guess, "means justify the ends"?)



With all the drama and goings on with the inner psyches that make up the whole person, there is one that knows all. It is the authentic self. Or you can call it the true self or the higher self. This is the one who watches, only stepping in and directing behind the scenes as the person evolves (by choice) into what they decide they want to be.

This higher self or authentic self as I call it, will step in to direct a situation if it gets out of control if allowed or invited. In extreme cases, it will step in and take control even if it is not consciously invited. It has permission to do that. It is the true self. It has the power to perform miracles beyond the physics of this world. But ultimately, the little selves (pshyches) have free will to make most of their own decisions within the person, but they have to work it out amongst themselves.

Advice I give to people is to listen to yourself, (selves) and imagine an inner council of all your aspects (psyches) and their thoughts and desires, and cooperate with each other! This cooperation is what it takes to survive and develop "the person."

"The Person" is you in this life as you have decided to be and is a combination of all your aspects or psyches. We become whole or become one with ourselves. That is self realization.

Love and embrace yourself and all of your selves. :heart: :heart:


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Sun 07/12/09 10:36 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Sun 07/12/09 10:48 PM


In cases of extreme trauma, the dominant psyche can be destroyed and sometimes a lesser or different psyche has to take the roll of the self.


Admit it, JB, you must've known my friend, because that's exactly what he's told me, with some minor (or, may be, major) distinction:
In his case, the dominant psyche of his has been temporarily overtaken by the lesser one... Though, not completely, it would seem, since he would experience those "hot flashes" -- "C'mon, wake up, stop wasting time...-- from the overtaken dominant psyche (every now and then)!

->> Yet, I'm wondering how could have he known everything would work out?!!(that's been a_hell_of a risky gumble) After all, the accident left him (temporarily) crippled! The reason I say "temporarily" is because, in time, he's made a complete recovery -- although it's taken a few years... (besides, he hasn't been aware of the multiple psyche's at that time, although both of us have been influenced by the power of Hypnosis for quite a while.)
Nevertheless, he's achieved his main objective! (I guess, "means justify the ends"?)


_____________July 13th___________

"The Person" is you in this life as you have decided to be and is a combination of all your aspects or psyches. We become whole or become one with ourselves. That is self realization.
Love and embrace yourself and all of your selves. :heart: :heart:

Frankly, JB, I am astonished: surprised
I've never expected hearing about my own inner workings from anybody else outside of myself! You really are a wise person! * * * (hiding behind the facade of a fortune teller) * * *

Certaily, the concept of multiple psyches is a bit more realistic than that of "Multiple Occupation" -- person's simultaneous occupation by many spirits...
Nevertheless, since (as you mentioned) the psyches are autonomous -- "have free will to make most of their own decisions within the person" -- and may ovetake the dominant position, then how the Authentic self (A.S.) is aware of the fact of having been taken over ?!! (after all, the inside take-over is hard to recognise as opposed to the take-over from the outside)
--- I guess, that comes with with experince -- pursuing one's true calling! ----

BTW, in the case of my friend, I wonder why hasn't his A.S. stepped in preventing him from contemplating an almost self-destructive plan?

From my own experience, I eventually have learned recognizing some of the "Inner Voices" from the chorus of all of my psyches! (though I'm relieved to know all of them are finally "singing" in one tone!) Therefore I've even developed a sense of confidence in my A.S. -- when at the road-fork, I trust it (often blindly) taking the propper route (i.e course of actions)!
Nevertheless, I'm often wondering what might've been had I've taken a different route?

Yet, at the same time, sometimes, I tend to reminisce of those times -- when life represented a labyrinth of the unknown paths ... Whereas now it seems so straight forward! yawn :smile:

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Sun 07/12/09 11:57 PM
BTW, in the case of my friend, I wonder why hasn't his A.S. stepped in preventing him from contemplating an almost self-destructive plan?


Sometimes we fail to listen to our authentic selves and get steeped in negative thoughts which bring or manifest negative experiences which beget more negative (self destructive) experiences and thoughts.

Only changing our thoughts, attitudes and attention will pull us out of a self destructive pattern.

Some people will never ask for help, (which comes from the higher (authentic) self.) They want to do it themselves. Or they will wait until they are disparate and helpless. (This is the "surrender.") This is when you give your power back to your authentic self and allow it to live its life through you. It is you, your true self.

Help may not come unless you ask for it and surrender your petty and stubborn control to your higher self who knows more than you do. Forgiveness will not come unless a person is truly sorry for his deeds and intends to change.

We have free will to destroy ourselves, and hopefully we will learn from it. We will incarnate again and maybe we will eventually learn to appreciate life and let our authentic selves live in and through us.

There is a spirit and mind that is your authentic self that knows much more than you do. It will hear your requests when you express gratitude. It will live its life through you if you allow it to. It will let you live your life in it. It wants you to have your hearts desire.






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Mon 07/13/09 05:31 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Mon 07/13/09 06:02 PM

Sometimes we fail to listen to our authentic selves and get steeped in negative thoughts which bring or manifest negative experiences which beget more negative (self destructive) experiences and thoughts.

O'K, I seem to finally comprehend the gist of the matter:
Initially, I thought that the A.S. {Authentic self} has some what greater authority than all of the psyches put together... (since, as you mentioned, it may step in at any time!) But really, all of the psyches (including the A.S.) seem to possess an equal authority(?) {-- a "(?)" looks a bit more reasonable expression of a doubt than "???" - wouldn't you say?--}
Then how is the A.S. to know when the "alteration" is in order?!!

Help may not come unless you ask for it and surrender your petty and stubborn control to your higher self who knows more than you do.

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* (I guess, by "your higher self" you mean the Subconsciousness while "Mind" must be Consciuosness? **********************************************************
Forgiveness will not come unless a person is truly sorry for his deeds and intends to change.


Certainly, in case of a guily concience, a sincere self-forgiveness is absolutely necessary...
But what if the person has nothing to be sorry for (or, at least, could mentally justify his/her deeds, thereby avoiding the guily concience?!!)

I tend to agree with your concept of the A.S. --
There is a spirit and mind that is your authentic self that knows much more than you do.
{ in other words, subconsciousness & consciousness(?) }

However, I have a bit of a difficulty with the concept of self-gratitude:
It will hear your requests when you express gratitude.
I mean, I always give myself a praise when I manage to accomplish something worthwhile...(otherwise, I simply maintain a good spirit -- I look good/O'K, I feel good/O'K, etc. -- like that old TV commercial: "When u look good, you feel good. And when you feel good, u look marvelous!!!" biggrin
But how does one expresses gratitute to oneself???

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Mon 07/13/09 05:32 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Mon 07/13/09 05:33 PM

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Mon 07/13/09 06:59 PM
But how does one expresses gratitute to oneself???


By being thankful for what you have. By loving yourself and others. One who is grateful, seldom complains.


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Mon 07/13/09 07:44 PM


In cases of extreme trauma, the dominant psyche can be destroyed and sometimes a lesser or different psyche has to take the roll of the self.


Admit it, JB, you must've known my friend, because that's exactly what he's told me, with some minor (or, may be, major) distinction:
In his case, the dominant psyche of his has been temporarily overtaken by the lesser one... Though, not completely, it would seem, since he would experience those "hot flashes" -- "C'mon, wake up, stop wasting time...-- from the overtaken dominant psyche (every now and then)!

->> Yet, I'm wondering how could have he known everything would work out?!!(that's been a_hell_of a risky gumble) After all, the accident left him (temporarily) crippled! The reason I say "temporarily" is because, in time, he's made a complete recovery -- although it's taken a few years... (besides, he hasn't been aware of the multiple psyche's at that time, although both of us have been influenced by the power of Hypnosis for quite a while.)
Nevertheless, he's achieved his main objective! (I guess, "means justify the ends"?)




With all the drama and goings on with the inner psyches that make up the whole person, there is one that knows all. It is the authentic self. Or you can call it the true self or the higher self. This is the one who watches, only stepping in and directing behind the scenes as the person evolves (by choice) into what they decide they want to be.

This higher self or authentic self as I call it, will step in to direct a situation if it gets out of control if allowed or invited. In extreme cases, it will step in and take control even if it is not consciously invited. It has permission to do that. It is the true self. It has the power to perform miracles beyond the physics of this world. But ultimately, the little selves (pshyches) have free will to make most of their own decisions within the person, but they have to work it out amongst themselves.

Advice I give to people is to listen to yourself, (selves) and imagine an inner council of all your aspects (psyches) and their thoughts and desires, and cooperate with each other! This cooperation is what it takes to survive and develop "the person."

"The Person" is you in this life as you have decided to be and is a combination of all your aspects or psyches. We become whole or become one with ourselves. That is self realization.

Love and embrace yourself and all of your selves. :heart: :heart:




If... Because of our possible 'spiritual' selves we actually think on a quantum level.

(i.e. There are an infinite number of you's, living an infinite number of lives... and that 'higher self' you mention is YOU-the center of YOUR universe.)

between all of your selves you have experienced everything... You just have to access the answers for a current problem by reaching that part of yourself which has ALREADY EXPERIENCED this and found a solution.

Some part of you KNOWS what is needed now - touch it.

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Mon 07/13/09 08:34 PM



In cases of extreme trauma, the dominant psyche can be destroyed and sometimes a lesser or different psyche has to take the roll of the self.


Admit it, JB, you must've known my friend, because that's exactly what he's told me, with some minor (or, may be, major) distinction:
In his case, the dominant psyche of his has been temporarily overtaken by the lesser one... Though, not completely, it would seem, since he would experience those "hot flashes" -- "C'mon, wake up, stop wasting time...-- from the overtaken dominant psyche (every now and then)!

->> Yet, I'm wondering how could have he known everything would work out?!!(that's been a_hell_of a risky gumble) After all, the accident left him (temporarily) crippled! The reason I say "temporarily" is because, in time, he's made a complete recovery -- although it's taken a few years... (besides, he hasn't been aware of the multiple psyche's at that time, although both of us have been influenced by the power of Hypnosis for quite a while.)
Nevertheless, he's achieved his main objective! (I guess, "means justify the ends"?)




With all the drama and goings on with the inner psyches that make up the whole person, there is one that knows all. It is the authentic self. Or you can call it the true self or the higher self. This is the one who watches, only stepping in and directing behind the scenes as the person evolves (by choice) into what they decide they want to be.

This higher self or authentic self as I call it, will step in to direct a situation if it gets out of control if allowed or invited. In extreme cases, it will step in and take control even if it is not consciously invited. It has permission to do that. It is the true self. It has the power to perform miracles beyond the physics of this world. But ultimately, the little selves (pshyches) have free will to make most of their own decisions within the person, but they have to work it out amongst themselves.

Advice I give to people is to listen to yourself, (selves) and imagine an inner council of all your aspects (psyches) and their thoughts and desires, and cooperate with each other! This cooperation is what it takes to survive and develop "the person."

"The Person" is you in this life as you have decided to be and is a combination of all your aspects or psyches. We become whole or become one with ourselves. That is self realization.

Love and embrace yourself and all of your selves. :heart: :heart:




If... Because of our possible 'spiritual' selves we actually think on a quantum level.

(i.e. There are an infinite number of you's, living an infinite number of lives... and that 'higher self' you mention is YOU-the center of YOUR universe.)

between all of your selves you have experienced everything... You just have to access the answers for a current problem by reaching that part of yourself which has ALREADY EXPERIENCED this and found a solution.

Some part of you KNOWS what is needed now - touch it.




Become aware of it. happy flowerforyou

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Mon 07/13/09 10:44 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Mon 07/13/09 11:28 PM

But how does one expresses gratitute to oneself???


By being thankful for what you have. By loving yourself and others. One who is grateful, seldom complains.

Is that a reference to me? IBYP, but I'm not aware of ever complaining. Dissattisfied, may be. Ironic, probably. Asking questions, certainly... But complaining? Publicly? Not me! Unless you provide an example of my wining, I'd consider your response being directed at the general public, but not me personally!

......Besides, being grateful_ to oneself does NOT explain
"how does one expresses gratitute to oneself" * * * * * *


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Tue 07/14/09 12:38 AM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Tue 07/14/09 12:54 AM
AdventureBegins, you mentioned:
If... Because of our possible 'spiritual' selves we actually think on a quantum level.
(i.e. There are an infinite number of you's, living an infinite number of lives... and that 'higher self' you mention is YOU-the center of YOUR universe.)

between all of your selves you have experienced everything... You just have to access the answers for a current problem by reaching that part of yourself which has ALREADY EXPERIENCED this and found a solution.
Some part of you KNOWS what is needed now - touch it.

Those are very poetic words...
think Oh, I see:
Most probably, Einstein was just an old Fool who new the secret of ACCESSING (or GETTING IN TOUCH WITH) all of his selves that have ALREADY EXPERIENCED the Quantum Mechanics, the Theory of Relativity, etc... laugh

I am sorry, I tried both -- tuching and reaching out -- to "some part of myself that KNOWS what is needed now"... But the only thing I could feel is the SARCASM! ! !
However, I'm gonna make another attempt tomorrow!..

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Tue 07/14/09 08:43 AM


But how does one expresses gratitute to oneself???


By being thankful for what you have. By loving yourself and others. One who is grateful, seldom complains.

Is that a reference to me? IBYP, but I'm not aware of ever complaining. Dissattisfied, may be. Ironic, probably. Asking questions, certainly... But complaining? Publicly? Not me! Unless you provide an example of my wining, I'd consider your response being directed at the general public, but not me personally!

......Besides, being grateful_ to oneself does NOT explain
"how does one expresses gratitute to oneself" * * * * * *





No it was not directed at you. I guess you see 'expressing gratitude' and 'feeling gratitude' to be different things.

There is no need to 'express' it to yourself. If you feel grateful that is a feeling that brings peace and calm and allows love to flow.

Here is a good example: A person is complaining at her job. She is not happy. She is not at peace. She holds feelings of anger and frustration. She stresses out over everything because of her general attitude.

As apposed to the person who is grateful: She is grateful for her job. She does her best to fulfill her responsibility. She does not complain or get frustrated. She lives with a feeling of gratitude and joy and peace. She looks for things to be grateful for rather than things to complain about. Yes, she dreams of better things and maybe a better job, and she plans for them, but she is grateful for her life and her job in the present moment.

The first person is 'negative' and her desires will not easily be manifested because her thoughts are focused on what she does not like and what she does not want.

The second person is 'positive' and at peace, and her desires will be easily fulfilled because she is thankful for what she has and she thinks about what she wants and not about what she does not want.

This is how the law of attraction works. Feel gratitude for where you are and what you have now, and think about where you want to be and what you want and you will manifest your desires with ease.


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Tue 07/14/09 01:10 PM

Note: Expressing gratitude and FEELING gratitude ARE two different things.

You can feel it and express it, and you can just feel it. When you just feel it, it will express itself through your attitude and demeanor. It will show in your graciousness and mood.

You can express 'gratitude' by saying 'thank you' to someone, but if there is none really felt, it will be merely a politeness.


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Tue 07/14/09 03:45 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Tue 07/14/09 04:05 PM


Note: Expressing gratitude and FEELING gratitude ARE two different things.

You can feel it and express it, and you can just feel it. When you just feel it, it will express itself through your attitude and demeanor. It will show in your graciousness and mood.

You can express 'gratitude' by saying 'thank you' to someone, but if there is none really felt, it will be merely a politeness.

****** Once again, JB, it might be helpful indicating some reference as to whom the message is directed at -- like I did in response to AdventureBegins -- otherwise I get confused since you do quote my message, at the same time saying that your initial post was not directed at me...

And then you procede by contradicting yourself:
1. "I guess you see 'expressing gratitude' and 'feeling gratitude' to be different things" -- indicating a
. . . . . . . . . ......................................disgreement
{?}
2. Yet, in the next post, you state: "Note: Expressing gratitude and FEELING gratitude ARE two different things."

(*Hopefully, you comprehend my confusion*)


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Tue 07/14/09 04:51 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 07/14/09 04:54 PM



Note: Expressing gratitude and FEELING gratitude ARE two different things.

You can feel it and express it, and you can just feel it. When you just feel it, it will express itself through your attitude and demeanor. It will show in your graciousness and mood.

You can express 'gratitude' by saying 'thank you' to someone, but if there is none really felt, it will be merely a politeness.

****** Once again, JB, it might be helpful indicating some reference as to whom the message is directed at -- like I did in response to AdventureBegins -- otherwise I get confused since you do quote my message, at the same time saying that your initial post was not directed at me...

And then you procede by contradicting yourself:
1. "I guess you see 'expressing gratitude' and 'feeling gratitude' to be different things" -- indicating a
. . . . . . . . . ......................................disgreement
{?}
2. Yet, in the next post, you state: "Note: Expressing gratitude and FEELING gratitude ARE two different things."

(*Hopefully, you comprehend my confusion*)



I will see if I can clear up your confusion.


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When I said:
"By being thankful for what you have. By loving yourself and others."

That was an answer to your question: "
"But how does one expresses gratitute to oneself???"

My statement following that was:
"One who is grateful, seldom complains."

That was not meant to be directed at you specifically or pesonally. It is a general statement.

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Next:


And then you procede by contradicting yourself:
1. "I guess you see 'expressing gratitude' and 'feeling gratitude' to be different things" -- indicating a
. . . . . . . . . ......................................disgreement{?}
2. Yet, in the next post, you state: "Note: Expressing gratitude and FEELING gratitude ARE two different things."


I did not contradict myself but it was a poorly written statement. I realized that you were confusing expressing gratitude with feeling gratitude, which I believe are two different things. I realized that my statement may not be very clear and I wanted to clear it up so I added the next post.

I wrote second statement to clear up my opinion on the matter, that expressing gratitude and feeling gratitude do not mean the same thing.

Expressing gratitude is directed outward to someone else.
Feeling gratitude is a personal experience.

I hope this clears things up.flowerforyou






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Tue 07/14/09 07:22 PM

Expressing gratitude is directed outward to someone else.
Feeling gratitude is a personal experience.

I hope this clears things up.flowerforyou

**** Thanx,JB, for clearing that out.
I'm glad we think in sinch -- no contradictions!

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Wed 07/15/09 06:41 PM
This would definately depend on what side of the fence you are on. Truth is fact, or hypothesis based. Whether anyone can repeat the experiment, with the same results.
Then you have the people who tell you that everyone see's blue differently. It is perceieved individually.
As it pertains to science, it's easy, life however not always the case.


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