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Topic: 'Gay' groups: We have rights to your children!
Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/09/09 10:30 PM

I found this:

In the early part of the 19th century, marriage was generally considered a legally sanctified contract of mutual support between two consenting non-African-American adults of opposite gender. African-Americans were prohibited from marrying in many states.

Later, in the area that was to become the state of Utah, polygyny was legalized; marriage there became a legally sanctified contract of mutual support between a man and one or more women, all being non-African-American consenting adults. A few years before Utah became a state, the earlier definition was reinstated, restricting marriage to one woman and one man.

After the Civil War and over the objections of many conservative folks, African-Americans were permitted to marry. A marriage then became more inclusive: a contract between two consenting adults of the same race and of opposite gender.

In 1967, again over the objections of about 70% of the population, mixed-race couples were permitted to marry. The U.S. Supreme Court decided on JUN-12 of that year that all 16 remaining state miscegenation laws which prohibited interracial marriage were unconstitutional. Ironically, the court case was called "Loving v. Virginia." A marriage then became even more inclusive: a contract between any two consenting adults of opposite gender.




This has nothing to do with the GLBTs fight.


Dragoness's photo
Sat 05/09/09 10:32 PM
It still comes down to the fact that people really need to mind their business.

Two consenting adults of age and mental capability should be allowed to marry if they want to. It doesn't hurt anyone but them if their marriage fails.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/09/09 10:40 PM

It still comes down to the fact that people really need to mind their business.

Two consenting adults of age and mental capability should be allowed to marry if they want to. It doesn't hurt anyone but them if their marriage fails.


So why do married couples get a bigger tax-break than unmarried people?

Dragoness's photo
Sat 05/09/09 10:44 PM


It still comes down to the fact that people really need to mind their business.

Two consenting adults of age and mental capability should be allowed to marry if they want to. It doesn't hurt anyone but them if their marriage fails.


So why do married couples get a bigger tax-break than unmarried people?


I have always heard of married couples filing separately because the tax breaks were better that way.
So I don't know about that.

I wouldn't buy into they want to marry for better tax breaks anyway, that is a bit ludicrous to me.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/09/09 11:02 PM
Married taxpayers can choose between filing a joint tax return or a separate tax return. The Married Filing Jointly filing status provides more tax benefits than filing separate returns, but taxpayers will need to weigh the pros and cons and decide for themselves which is the best filing status.

If you are married, then you and your spouse can filing a joint tax return. You are considered married if you are legally married on the last day of the year. In order to file jointly, both you and your spouse must agree to file a joint tax return, and both must sign the return. Married Filing Jointly (MFJ) provides more tax benefits than filing a separate return.


http://taxes.about.com/od/filingstatus/qt/marriedjointly.htm


Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/09/09 11:06 PM
Since being married and having children are such a large portion of our domestic budget, it seems a little unfair to give a tax-break to those who create this cost to society.

Dragoness's photo
Sat 05/09/09 11:07 PM

Married taxpayers can choose between filing a joint tax return or a separate tax return. The Married Filing Jointly filing status provides more tax benefits than filing separate returns, but taxpayers will need to weigh the pros and cons and decide for themselves which is the best filing status.

If you are married, then you and your spouse can filing a joint tax return. You are considered married if you are legally married on the last day of the year. In order to file jointly, both you and your spouse must agree to file a joint tax return, and both must sign the return. Married Filing Jointly (MFJ) provides more tax benefits than filing a separate return.


http://taxes.about.com/od/filingstatus/qt/marriedjointly.htm




Again I heard from most of the married folks in my family that filing separately gave them better tax benefits.

So that reasoning for wanting marriage for tax purposes would probably not be too advantageous.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/09/09 11:11 PM
Those who think they get a better tax-break would be wrong!



Filing Joint versus Separate Returns
Filing a separate return provides relief from joint liability for taxes. However, married taxpayers who file separately are not eligible for many tax deductions and credits, and have higher tax rates. In general, it is more advantageous to file a joint return.

http://taxes.about.com/od/filingstatus/qt/marriedjointly.htm


Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/09/09 11:12 PM
They should fix that!

Dragoness's photo
Sat 05/09/09 11:15 PM

Those who think they get a better tax-break would be wrong!



Filing Joint versus Separate Returns
Filing a separate return provides relief from joint liability for taxes. However, married taxpayers who file separately are not eligible for many tax deductions and credits, and have higher tax rates. In general, it is more advantageous to file a joint return.

http://taxes.about.com/od/filingstatus/qt/marriedjointly.htm




Nope, they said that their tax advisors told them to do it for better benefits.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/09/09 11:20 PM
Id tell them to get a different tax advisor,
because what I posted is the law!

Dragoness's photo
Sat 05/09/09 11:23 PM

Id tell them to get a different tax advisor,
because what I posted is the law!


Just because it is posted that there are better benefits supposedly, doesn't mean in application it turns out that way.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/09/09 11:30 PM


Id tell them to get a different tax advisor,
because what I posted is the law!


Just because it is posted that there are better benefits supposedly, doesn't mean in application it turns out that way.


If they are separated and have children, or
one has bad credit and debts the other doesn't want
to be financially responsible for!

Dragoness's photo
Sat 05/09/09 11:35 PM



Id tell them to get a different tax advisor,
because what I posted is the law!


Just because it is posted that there are better benefits supposedly, doesn't mean in application it turns out that way.


If they are separated and have children, or
one has bad credit and debts the other doesn't want
to be financially responsible for!


It goes a bit deeper than that but those are good examples. Child support is another reason. The list goes on and on.

creativesoul's photo
Sat 05/09/09 11:53 PM
It is like Levi said to the religious in Matthew chapter 7 verses 1 thru 8...

"Shut the **** up!"

laugh

There are special rights to those who have a marraige liscense... It is noone's concern about who gets married other than the two, or more in some cases, who are signing the paperwork.

Buh...

Buh...

No worries - those who hate other's lifestyle or sexual orientation can still hate...

No one's rights are being infringed upon but those who are not allowed to be legally married.


Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/09/09 11:55 PM
Either way,
someone is getting a tax-break.

Either him or her,

and if gay marriage is allowed
her or her, or
him or him!

The practice of giving higher tax deductions
to married couples and children is discriminatory.

earthytaurus76's photo
Sun 05/10/09 12:09 AM
I dont think they should have any "rights" to my children. I have taught my son abuot gay, and lesbian sexuality on my own, and I dont think its right its taught in schools. Basic sexuality to understand theyre bodies, and what theyre functions traditionally are fine with me.

I teach my son to respect all people, gay, straight, everyone, but why must they understand gay sex, and relationships from a school? I have a problem with my son being gay only becuase I know he will suffer because yes, many are so ignorant, but I think that should be taught at home, not in the school. Is this to say a child will be swayed by school teaching of gays, and theyre rights and respect issues, more than what an ignorant or stupid parent teaches them?

I dont think so.

We all make our choices.. but I see no need. I dont like the idea, and My child on his own has clear ideas of his likes and dislikes, and ideas about which sex he prefers. He at this point chooses hetro, even IF his father is bi. At very least, we SHOULD have a choice if we want our child to learn about this curriculum, and know what is being taught. Im just like.. teaching it in schools is pushing it.

scttrbrain's photo
Sun 05/10/09 11:28 AM
Edited by scttrbrain on Sun 05/10/09 11:29 AM

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 05/10/09 11:37 AM
wow...this thread has detouredlaugh

AndyBgood's photo
Sun 05/10/09 11:39 AM
This is a clear cut case of how we have relaxed too many standards in our education. F**kn liberals always trying to shove rainbows in our faces! Stupid jerks have no idea that in itself breeds resentment and loathing! it is unfair to eh homosexual community who tries to live in peace with us vs. the ones trying to indoctrinate everyone to their worldly views.

Then again one of Obama's advisers is a KNOWN pedophile and advocate of Pedophilia.

Soooooooooo now what?

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