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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55240 ON CAPITOL HILL 'Jail grandma' hate speech debate begins Warnings issued over 'most dangerous bill in America' Posted: April 17, 2007 1:00 am Eastern By Bob Unruh © 2009 WorldNetDaily.com Read the bill and I'll talk until then you've no clue what you're talking about. I am not going to debate you because you are in total denial.It is pointless and useless if you are just going to pretend the facts don't exist. And you can say this without even reading the bill? Yeah your opinion really means a lot to me  Frankly I prefer to think for myself rather than letting some idiot with an agenda do my thinking for me. |
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With a Communist like Obama in the white house news like this is hardly surprising.I have been following this issue for many years since they had a identical law passed in Canada a few years ago.In Canada,churches who speak against gays may be fined or thrown in jail for a hate crime.This law should get the attention of everyone from any back ground because although it mentions Christians it really affects anyone who speaks out against gays.This law is trampling over the right to free speech like a Grand central station door matt.In the Constitution it doesn't say we have the right to free speech except when it comes to speaking out against gays and that is forbidden.This is also violating separation of church and state.Since when does the state or government have the right to tell the churches what they can say? I am hardly worried about this new law.I know that it will never be enforced because the public back lash of such trampling over free speech will cause a public relations nightmare for the mayor of that city and he will not get re-elected.This law is nothing more than the work of two gutless politicians who are trying to win over the minorities so they can look politically correct. For all those bashing the Christians and using them over and over as a excuse to insult them for what the believe...You will never hear in any church a pastor telling it's members that they should hate,insult,or treat badly gay people.As a matter of fact the gays should thank the Christians as they get alot of support through the Christian community through acceptance and tolerance.With out the tolerance of the Christians they gays would be about accepted as the gays in Iran. Thomas, Have you read the bill? It's not about how people speak. It's about hate crimes - death, kidnapping, sexual abuse, attempt to kill - people of race, color, religion, national origin and disabilities. It's not taking any law abiding Christian's rights away. Winx I have read the bill and I understand 100% what it is about.Yes it is taking Christians rights away because people can claim that you caused them emotional damage simply by speaking out against their way of life.Didn't you read the article I just posted?I am still waiting for the day when these scum sucking liberals has the balls to pass a bill taking away the rights of the Muslims or some other religion. Yes, I read the article. I feel that the actual bill is the real issue - not articles. The bill refers to violent acts not speech. |
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ok for those that say it's taking away freedom of speech..please show where in the bill it says that...then we can get this thing resolved
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...then we can get this thing resolved You think? |
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4/2/2009--Introduced.
Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 - Authorizes the Attorney General to provide technical, forensic, prosecutorial, or other assistance in the criminal investigation or prosecution of any crime that: (1) constitutes a crime of violence under federal law or a felony under state, local, or Indian tribal law; and (2) is motivated by prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim, or is a violation of the state, local, or tribal hate crime laws. Directs the Attorney General to give priority for assistance to crimes committed by offenders who have committed crimes in more than one state and to rural jurisdictions that have difficulty covering the extraordinary investigation or prosecution expenses. Authorizes the Attorney General to award grants to assist state, local, and Indian law enforcement agencies with such extraordinary expenses. Directs the Office of Justice Programs to: (1) work closely with funded jurisdictions to ensure that the concerns and needs of all affected parties are addressed; and (2) award grants to state and local programs designed to combat hate crimes committed by juveniles. Amends the federal criminal code to prohibit willfully causing bodily injury to any person because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of such person. Amends the Hate Crimes Statistics Act to expand data collection and reporting requirements under such Act to include: (1) crimes manifesting prejudice based on gender and gender identity; and (2) hate crimes committed by and against juveniles. Declares that nothing in this Act shall be construed to prohibit the exercise of constitutionally-protected free speech. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1913&tab=summary AGAIN...READ THE LAST LINE Declares that nothing in this Act shall be construed to prohibit the exercise of constitutionally-protected free speech. |
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With a Communist like Obama in the white house news like this is hardly surprising.I have been following this issue for many years since they had a identical law passed in Canada a few years ago.In Canada,churches who speak against gays may be fined or thrown in jail for a hate crime.This law should get the attention of everyone from any back ground because although it mentions Christians it really affects anyone who speaks out against gays.This law is trampling over the right to free speech like a Grand central station door matt.In the Constitution it doesn't say we have the right to free speech except when it comes to speaking out against gays and that is forbidden.This is also violating separation of church and state.Since when does the state or government have the right to tell the churches what they can say? I am hardly worried about this new law.I know that it will never be enforced because the public back lash of such trampling over free speech will cause a public relations nightmare for the mayor of that city and he will not get re-elected.This law is nothing more than the work of two gutless politicians who are trying to win over the minorities so they can look politically correct. For all those bashing the Christians and using them over and over as a excuse to insult them for what the believe...You will never hear in any church a pastor telling it's members that they should hate,insult,or treat badly gay people.As a matter of fact the gays should thank the Christians as they get alot of support through the Christian community through acceptance and tolerance.With out the tolerance of the Christians they gays would be about accepted as the gays in Iran. Thomas, Have you read the bill? It's not about how people speak. It's about hate crimes - death, kidnapping, sexual abuse, attempt to kill - people of race, color, religion, national origin and disabilities. It's not taking any law abiding Christian's rights away. Winx I have read the bill and I understand 100% what it is about.Yes it is taking Christians rights away because people can claim that you caused them emotional damage simply by speaking out against their way of life.Didn't you read the article I just posted?I am still waiting for the day when these scum sucking liberals has the balls to pass a bill taking away the rights of the Muslims or some other religion. Yes, I read the article. I feel that the actual bill is the real issue - not articles. The bill refers to violent acts not speech. Absolutely, but it doesn't even do much about that. It's an appropriations bill. It defines some LIMITs on penalties and some meaning, and adds two groups of people to the list of those that are protected by existing hate crime laws. Mostly it's about money and getting it to local authorities so they can enforce their own state laws. |
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Bills coming in the near future...
A 101 dollar fine for using vulgar or cuss words in public. Adult or pornographic magazines banned due to new laws concerning obscenity laws. Fast foods and soft drinks banned because of obese adults and children. No contact sports because someone may get hurt and they might suffer emotional distress. Cars may not leak oil.Drips will be checked during emissions and any oil noticed must be fixed or car will be impounded. People driving their cars will only be limited to 12,000 miles a year.Any miles after that will be taxed at 25 cents per mile. All houses will have to have those stupid CFL light bulbs and will be charged $5.00 per light bulb to dispose of them. Mandatory recycling.Anyone caught throwing away any recyclables will be fined.Garbage men will go through your garbage looking for recyclables. |
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for anyone that thinks this particular bill takes away freedom of speech...you have been debunked.
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Ah, but here is the thing:
Let us say that a dude A put a dude B in a hospital with some bruises. Dude A is now being asked of why did he do so. If he says that he did it for no reason, he gets off easier than if he says that he did it because he perceived dude B to be of particular religion. According to the law, in this case he will be investigated with a lot more effort. The additional effort is added simply because he spoke out his thoughts. |
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Dam I had to look at his profile!!!! My daughter said thats a very fem photo for a straight guy
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Edited by
Winx
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With a Communist like Obama in the white house news like this is hardly surprising.I have been following this issue for many years since they had a identical law passed in Canada a few years ago.In Canada,churches who speak against gays may be fined or thrown in jail for a hate crime.This law should get the attention of everyone from any back ground because although it mentions Christians it really affects anyone who speaks out against gays.This law is trampling over the right to free speech like a Grand central station door matt.In the Constitution it doesn't say we have the right to free speech except when it comes to speaking out against gays and that is forbidden.This is also violating separation of church and state.Since when does the state or government have the right to tell the churches what they can say? I am hardly worried about this new law.I know that it will never be enforced because the public back lash of such trampling over free speech will cause a public relations nightmare for the mayor of that city and he will not get re-elected.This law is nothing more than the work of two gutless politicians who are trying to win over the minorities so they can look politically correct. For all those bashing the Christians and using them over and over as a excuse to insult them for what the believe...You will never hear in any church a pastor telling it's members that they should hate,insult,or treat badly gay people.As a matter of fact the gays should thank the Christians as they get alot of support through the Christian community through acceptance and tolerance.With out the tolerance of the Christians they gays would be about accepted as the gays in Iran. Thomas, Have you read the bill? It's not about how people speak. It's about hate crimes - death, kidnapping, sexual abuse, attempt to kill - people of race, color, religion, national origin and disabilities. It's not taking any law abiding Christian's rights away. Winx I have read the bill and I understand 100% what it is about.Yes it is taking Christians rights away because people can claim that you caused them emotional damage simply by speaking out against their way of life.Didn't you read the article I just posted?I am still waiting for the day when these scum sucking liberals has the balls to pass a bill taking away the rights of the Muslims or some other religion. Yes, I read the article. I feel that the actual bill is the real issue - not articles. The bill refers to violent acts not speech. Absolutely, but it doesn't even do much about that. It's an appropriations bill. It defines some LIMITs on penalties and some meaning, and adds two groups of people to the list of those that are protected by existing hate crime laws. Mostly it's about money and getting it to local authorities so they can enforce their own state laws. Yep, the money is for increasing personnel and training police officers to identify and prevent hate crimes. It's also for prosecution, like you said. |
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Bills coming in the near future... A 101 dollar fine for using vulgar or cuss words in public. Adult or pornographic magazines banned due to new laws concerning obscenity laws. Fast foods and soft drinks banned because of obese adults and children. No contact sports because someone may get hurt and they might suffer emotional distress. Cars may not leak oil.Drips will be checked during emissions and any oil noticed must be fixed or car will be impounded. People driving their cars will only be limited to 12,000 miles a year.Any miles after that will be taxed at 25 cents per mile. All houses will have to have those stupid CFL light bulbs and will be charged $5.00 per light bulb to dispose of them. Mandatory recycling.Anyone caught throwing away any recyclables will be fined.Garbage men will go through your garbage looking for recyclables. What rag did you get this from? Some of these I've seen as having been proposed in a few areas and they were laughed out, but I will admit they were proposed. That said ALL of those things are controlled on state and/or local levels. Federal government has nothing to say about any of those things. FTR, where I live broken CFL's can be disposed of in regular trash. Unbroken can be given to our local hazardous disposal service for free. And the local electric company has been giving away the new lights for free like mad. They refitted my entire warehouse, free! Get a clue, much of that stuff is just plain laughable. Those rags you are reading have their own agenda. |
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4/2/2009--Introduced. Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 - Authorizes the Attorney General to provide technical, forensic, prosecutorial, or other assistance in the criminal investigation or prosecution of any crime that: (1) constitutes a crime of violence under federal law or a felony under state, local, or Indian tribal law; and (2) is motivated by prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim, or is a violation of the state, local, or tribal hate crime laws. Directs the Attorney General to give priority for assistance to crimes committed by offenders who have committed crimes in more than one state and to rural jurisdictions that have difficulty covering the extraordinary investigation or prosecution expenses. Authorizes the Attorney General to award grants to assist state, local, and Indian law enforcement agencies with such extraordinary expenses. Directs the Office of Justice Programs to: (1) work closely with funded jurisdictions to ensure that the concerns and needs of all affected parties are addressed; and (2) award grants to state and local programs designed to combat hate crimes committed by juveniles. Amends the federal criminal code to prohibit willfully causing bodily injury to any person because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of such person. Amends the Hate Crimes Statistics Act to expand data collection and reporting requirements under such Act to include: (1) crimes manifesting prejudice based on gender and gender identity; and (2) hate crimes committed by and against juveniles. Declares that nothing in this Act shall be construed to prohibit the exercise of constitutionally-protected free speech. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1913&tab=summary AGAIN...READ THE LAST LINE Declares that nothing in this Act shall be construed to prohibit the exercise of constitutionally-protected free speech. Is threatening someone verbally not considered a form of violence?The gays can easily claim predudice.It's not like anyone is going to speak against the gays and stand up for the Christian minister. I can picture it now....A gay goes into a church where the pastor is preaching against the gay lifestyle.He raises his voice and walks around shouting reading the worlds out of the bible.Gay boy goes home distraught picks up a gun and tries to kill himself.When the police investigate they find out that he suffered severe emotional distress from the pastor and they conclude that it was the pastors actions that caused him to do what he did.Take this case to court and the judge throws the pastor in jail for hate crimes. |
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Bills coming in the near future... A 101 dollar fine for using vulgar or cuss words in public. Adult or pornographic magazines banned due to new laws concerning obscenity laws. Fast foods and soft drinks banned because of obese adults and children. No contact sports because someone may get hurt and they might suffer emotional distress. Cars may not leak oil.Drips will be checked during emissions and any oil noticed must be fixed or car will be impounded. People driving their cars will only be limited to 12,000 miles a year.Any miles after that will be taxed at 25 cents per mile. All houses will have to have those stupid CFL light bulbs and will be charged $5.00 per light bulb to dispose of them. Mandatory recycling.Anyone caught throwing away any recyclables will be fined.Garbage men will go through your garbage looking for recyclables. Thomas, What crystal ball are you looking through? I think it has a problem with showing the future. |
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Hate crimes are not just about gay people!
They are also about people of race, color, religion, national origin and disabilities. |
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4/2/2009--Introduced. Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 - Authorizes the Attorney General to provide technical, forensic, prosecutorial, or other assistance in the criminal investigation or prosecution of any crime that: (1) constitutes a crime of violence under federal law or a felony under state, local, or Indian tribal law; and (2) is motivated by prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim, or is a violation of the state, local, or tribal hate crime laws. Directs the Attorney General to give priority for assistance to crimes committed by offenders who have committed crimes in more than one state and to rural jurisdictions that have difficulty covering the extraordinary investigation or prosecution expenses. Authorizes the Attorney General to award grants to assist state, local, and Indian law enforcement agencies with such extraordinary expenses. Directs the Office of Justice Programs to: (1) work closely with funded jurisdictions to ensure that the concerns and needs of all affected parties are addressed; and (2) award grants to state and local programs designed to combat hate crimes committed by juveniles. Amends the federal criminal code to prohibit willfully causing bodily injury to any person because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of such person. Amends the Hate Crimes Statistics Act to expand data collection and reporting requirements under such Act to include: (1) crimes manifesting prejudice based on gender and gender identity; and (2) hate crimes committed by and against juveniles. Declares that nothing in this Act shall be construed to prohibit the exercise of constitutionally-protected free speech. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1913&tab=summary AGAIN...READ THE LAST LINE Declares that nothing in this Act shall be construed to prohibit the exercise of constitutionally-protected free speech. Is threatening someone verbally not considered a form of violence?The gays can easily claim predudice.It's not like anyone is going to speak against the gays and stand up for the Christian minister. I can picture it now....A gay goes into a church where the pastor is preaching against the gay lifestyle.He raises his voice and walks around shouting reading the worlds out of the bible.Gay boy goes home distraught picks up a gun and tries to kill himself.When the police investigate they find out that he suffered severe emotional distress from the pastor and they conclude that it was the pastors actions that caused him to do what he did.Take this case to court and the judge throws the pastor in jail for hate crimes. 
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ok for those that say it's taking away freedom of speech..please show where in the bill it says that...then we can get this thing resolved I couldn't find it, Rose. |
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Is threatening someone verbally not considered a form of violence?The gays can easily claim predudice.It's not like anyone is going to speak against the gays and stand up for the Christian minister. I can picture it now....A gay goes into a church where the pastor is preaching against the gay lifestyle.He raises his voice and walks around shouting reading the worlds out of the bible.Gay boy goes home distraught picks up a gun and tries to kill himself.When the police investigate they find out that he suffered severe emotional distress from the pastor and they conclude that it was the pastors actions that caused him to do what he did.Take this case to court and the judge throws the pastor in jail for hate crimes. Thomas, You have such an active imagination.
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Bills coming in the near future... A 101 dollar fine for using vulgar or cuss words in public. Adult or pornographic magazines banned due to new laws concerning obscenity laws. Fast foods and soft drinks banned because of obese adults and children. No contact sports because someone may get hurt and they might suffer emotional distress. Cars may not leak oil.Drips will be checked during emissions and any oil noticed must be fixed or car will be impounded. People driving their cars will only be limited to 12,000 miles a year.Any miles after that will be taxed at 25 cents per mile. All houses will have to have those stupid CFL light bulbs and will be charged $5.00 per light bulb to dispose of them. Mandatory recycling.Anyone caught throwing away any recyclables will be fined.Garbage men will go through your garbage looking for recyclables. http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/mbarber Here Thomas, enjoy, hours of entertainment just for you, with a guy that loves distortion. |
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