Ok so you do realize that this article is put out by "Perspective" which is a Christian biased and based article.
There is merely the opinion of the author, not actual facts.

isn't that judging others? the first amendment is for ALL rights to beliefs....not just one side

That is so wrong and stereotyping all Christians to fit into some radical group.

I have a friend that is gay and I do NOT hate gays and love and acceptance is needed for all people!

Focus on the Family has great help for the gay and lesbian population and does conferences entitled Love Won Out. It teaches people how to love and support the gay community and provides help for those struggling in this area.

http://www.lovewonout.com/

Big wake up call, a small percentage of people within the church have homosexual tendencies and just don’t admit it. There needs to programs just like for anger, alcoholism and drug abuse, grief recovery, and the like. Shame on those who hate or dislike someone just because of their race, religion, or sexual orientation!

Peace

Ok did you even bother to look at this bill before throwing your support against it? Simple facts after a quick read through. This bill is to proved extra money for ALL HATE not just gays but all groups that are currently used in definition. It does NOT create any new definitions nor does it change any existing law. The closest thing it does to this is it requires those requesting the money to follow certain guidelines in punishment, extradition and other such things if they wish to receive thie federal assistance in processing those crimes. IOW all the claims you made are simply totally bogus and have no basis in fact whatsoever.

Here is a copy of the actual bill for those who have minds of their own.
http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr1913_txt.pdf

YR,

Do you believe it would be okay for a Pastor to go to jail because he got up and read out of the Bible where it says that homosexuality is a sin (just like adultry, gluttony, gossip, anger, slander etc.)? It has already happened in other nations and this is a push towards an agenda that would take away our rights to read the Bible!

Might be if it did that, but pure and simply put, it doesn't.

In the medical community there is already legislature being pushed trying to take away a Physicians license if they refuse to give a morning after pill, prescribe birth control, or do an abortion.

There are already people trying to sue Pastors for 'hate crimes' when preaching straight out of the Bible in the US.

Are we free or not? That is taking away our freedom of speech.

I in no way condone hate of any kind.

I would have problems with some of that myself, though I've not seen you provide any proof that it's happening. Still the issue here is Bill 1913 and it doesn't change any of those things in either direction. It supports existing law yes, but it doesn't create anything new.



I never said you did. I implied that you obviously haven't looked at the bill to see what it actually says. I have provided a link to the actual document as provided by our government not by some hateful blogist with an agenda.

the bill (from what I read) does not take away rights but adds to. everyone has the rights to freedom of speech whether it's something we agree with or not

People are just that people - we will never live in a world where we can all agree with how things are, but no one is taking away your right to read the Bible. You have the freedom of expression but with that also comes the freedom to express the opposing views.

Doctors should tend the needs of the sick, regardless of whether they agree or not, this is something new that just sprouted - thought it was a hypocratic oath they took while studying?

As for pastor's being sued, apparently someone somewhere disagreed with his sermon/reading/lecture?

Are you saying that someone who engages in sex and becomes pregnant is sick?

Is it okay to sue someone because we disagree with what they are saying?

Why the need for exra money?

I thought we were ALL protected undet the 14th Amendment.

According to the article:



Are you disputing the accuracy of the article?

Are you saying that if I end up pregnant I should rely on what you or the doctor feels is right for me? Do you feel you and or the doctor are more qualified to tell me what's best for me?

I agree, this world is 'sue' happy especially lately. If you don't agree hey let's sue them for monetary compensation.

Laura,

You keep quoting the article and referring people back to the article, but it's not a factual article. It's an article based on the opinion of the author, put out by a Christian newsletter. It's not an unbiased article. The facts of what he states have not been verified at all.
We can't go getting all riled up and upset over someone's opinion just because it's printed in a paper.
Of course he words it as facts, but it's not.
There IS absolute evidence that gays and lesbians are not given equal protection. Up until recently, you could still legally discriminate and fire or refuse to hire someone soley based on their sexual orientation.
Even in the military- "don't ask, don't tell policy" I mean come on... I don't care who he's in love with when he (or she) is out there putting their life on the line for my freedom and safety.
I suggest doing more research on the bill itself. Read up on it more, not just what this article states.

Hate Crimes Bills are not necessary, and just do more to create a division between people. Assault is assault. Murder is murder.

The Federal Government is overstepping its bounds once again. You cannot raise a certain group or groups above another. Special legal protections for a group at the expense of another is expressly forbidden.

They are completely disregarding the 14th amendment.

Yes but we live in the real world where there isn't always enough money to everything that's needed. Hate crimes can be especially difficult to prosecute and many are not prosecuted as such because of a lack of fund. However if you want to argue the necessity for the funds that's a valid argument but that isn't what you said you were doing. You said you were apposed to new laws doing certain things. And they simply don't do those things.



Well I don't know about the accuracy of the article, it maybe accurate or not, but that's not the part of your post I challenged. I challenged the notion that the bill some how created a new law that would make it easier to prosecute persons such as pastors for preaching from the bible and some how leading laws that would make being a Christian illegal. And clearly after reading the bill it doesn't even remotely address such issues let alone change anything concerning them.

If a Doctor for religious reasons does not want to perform an abortion or prescribe pills, people are free to go elsewhere where this doesn't not violate that doctors own personal, moral integrity. Why is it necessary to force someone to do something they do not agree with? Is it for the safety of the mother?

I think I am going to puke.

Real Christian attitude in the OP.

I would say more but...

It's not that murder is different in one group for another. But we do need hate crime bills. It adds special circumstances and time in prison for crimes commited by hatred. It helps prevent groups like the KKK and going out and attacking Black people. It prevents groups from going out and attacking gay and lesbians. We need hate crime bills because we have hate crimes.

The DC gun ban is a great example of someone challenging unconstitutional left wing fascism. The left wing elites look down their noses at the common man and try to dictate what is right and wrong according to their shallow view of the evil world.