And what right do you have to prohibit reality to children that aren't in your possession and liability, under the guise of caring for them?

Besides, another fallacious argument is that "one never knows". I do. I knew from since I can remember myself, that I will not use any drugs. My parents taught me that only lower people do that. They told me we all born equally nothing, but we have a freedom and choice to make ourselves. If I wanted to grow into a lower kind, then I should definitely use drugs and other things, not of this discussion.

Why would I want to do that to myself? Were they lying to me? You judge. I think not, as I see the people who chose to lower their own control of their mind, so that they can be animals. I do not like they way they behave.

I will protect their right to make that choice , however, because I am no god. I have no rights to their life and choices. If they wish to become animals, that is their will and their freedom. By guarding their freedom, I am guarding mine.

As to the crimes associated with drug use. What does it matter the reason for the crime? Unreasonable people do all kinds of unreasonable things. This includes an association of crime with underlying problems. Wrong. For as long as we judge the problems, we will never get rid of crime. I care not if a crime against me was committed in clear mind or in drug induced dream. I punish it all the same, equally harsh. There will be no second chance. It is the problem of the criminal to see that his continuous "bad luck" in form of jail sentence or broken spine is a result of his behavior, which is hard to control due to his drug intake. Not mine. I could not care less.

We must punish the crime of assaulting other person, or his property, not the reasons. Leave them as ironic punishment for that person to realize the truths he had chosen to ignore. In this fashion, the justice become the truth. As he sees that he is punished for an assault, not for his choice of drugs.

I disagree about children trying things that are legal. Very difficult with involved parents... (from a child's perspective)

If you were paying attention these are the sort of things we would be monitoring. It's easy for a kid to pic up a drug from a dealer. But it's hard to get it from a store that cards. Possible? Yes. But, taking into consideration that there would be much fewer drug dealers, it might pay off.

Anyway, my suggestion was legalizing marijuana and finding out what happens. The risks of marijuana are rather limited, and its really not more dangerous than alcohol. What's messed up about that is half my classmates in high school it seems were potheads. For some reason they didn't even care to try alcohol until they were 18...

Nevertheless, it would be a perfect drug to experiment with. Not to mention it would cut the drug cartel's funding by about 1/3. This would lower violence. Nifty huh?

it's easier for a child to get something that's legal, because the chances of finding it out in the open at someone's house rises.

as a teen, i could find alcohol in tons of places...from the girl scout troop mother's house to the youth group leader...to my parish priest. and yes, from the bootlegger down the road.

meth was MUCH harder to find...but yes, i found it. or maybe it found me...

legality brings it out of the box. makes it easier to access.

reality or otherwise, children deserve to be children and NOT raised with addicts for parents. um, that includes alcohol, as well. i'm not talking legality any more, either, just saying that kids deserve the best environment with parents that are connected and not "on" something. they are our future.

Not that I am against starting legalization with pot, Driven. But, here is the problem. The cartels, they will not just sit still and watch the loss of revenue. If I was them, I would not just sit still.

They would increase the crime rates, and wriggle the new prohibition, on one side by scaring people with crimes, and on another by lowering their pay to all elected officials. The current deal is that they all get paid, as long as the prohibition is on the books. If an official removes prohibition, he will be a prime target, never mind the lost bribes.


When you lose your right hand, you take the sword in your left and strike twice harder.

For this reason, if incremental approach is applied, then we should expect full use of the remaining capital of cartels, to return the situation back to full prohibition.

With such a weak support as it is today, I doubt we will stand.

What do you think on this aspect?

Addicts can come from homes that have involved parents. They come from all different kinds of homes, all walks of life, rich or poor, educated, uneducated.

How does meth cut drug cartel's funding? Meth users make their own meth.

Netherlands and Portugal, check those for research. Specifically the Netherlands, where crime dropped when all narcotics were legalized (later some would become illegal most notable "magic" mushrooms).

The greatest positive impact would be Netherlands, I haven't heard much from Portugal and I don't think they have legalization in place like the Netherlands. Amsterdam has been the place of a multitude of studies done on drugs and their effects on culture, even this though moves slowly...kind of like studying one rat within an entire population of rats.

The drug cartels will make their money one way or the other. And they're very creative about it, too. Legalization of meth will not make things better. Are we still talking about just meth, or are we now talking about everything else, too? Meth is extremely dangerous, and I don't believe that most of it is coming across the borders. I think most of it is being cooked here in the US. I, for one, don't want to see it legalized any more than I want to see cocain or heroine legalized.

A lot of meth is cooked in rural Missouri at the addict's homes.

That's what I mean, most of it is cooked right here in the good ole US of A. But I still don't want to see it legalized.

Legalizing it is a scary thought to me.

anyone who thinks logicly that legalizing meth is remotely good then i say go give your child a gram and tell them its ok. dont confuse your own wants and NEEDS for the worlds

*cough*Age-Restricted product.*/cough*

so you waited till you was old enough to try everything,,"COUGH"

Sometimes that happens.

Bullsh!t.

You're simply excusing the fault of parents by an immaturity of child.

Read my post above. I never wanted to try.

Drug users can come from good homes.

I really dont care how an addict develops. point is they become one. to blame or hold the parents responsible. or peer pressure. or whatever else is the REASON an addict becomes an addict is a waste of time for me. Meth is dangerous. crack cocaine is dangerous. heroin is dangerous. and they are all illegal. I would not consider pot not to fit in any of these categories. it is no more dangerous than cigarettes and alcohol.

it does not trespass on my freedoms to have laws that i must obey. i pay taxes. or i get punished. i drive the speed limit or i get punished. these are all laws that i choose to obey. (although Im sure i have and can evade certain laws at times in my life) that is my choice and I also accept any punishment that comes to me without much whining and crying.

people break and obey laws all the time. to not expect to be punished for DUI or murder or drug use is to create chaos.


that being said its obvious the war on drugs is not working. probably because the powers that BE dont care to make it work. its all about depopulation.

in some cases it may be sad...but the game we are all playing is survival of the fittest.

I like your attitude. I would like to make a law for you to obey.

Never quite thought that through i guess. You are right though. I thought America had a philosophy not to negotiate with terrorist...

I say brief the police force on the issue, and require everyone to own and learn how to use a firearm... Maybe that would help?

Thanks for the info bro