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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Mon 04/27/09 06:26 PM
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I don't know who was the first to bring coffee out of the jungle. The story I heard was; Explorers were exploring the Columbian jungle and smelled this wonderful aroma they had never smelled before. They followed the smell ans came upon a group of Indigenous. They had a big pot over a fire boiling away. One of the explorers dipped his cup in and sampled it. He liked it a lot and enjoyed the high it gave him. After boiling for a while, they pulled the pot off the fire and poured the liquid onto the ground. The explorers asked why they did that. They told them, they eat the beans and pour off the poison. A little off topic but this reminded me of the story. Meth is baaaad stuff. Yup...sure is. The long and short term effects are horrible. Nifty story by the way. 
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Edited by
Winx
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Mon 04/27/09 06:57 PM
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Also, to answer your questions, the child molester is violating the rights of the child. The drunk driver is violating the safety of others. You see where this is going. The dangers of using drugs falls immediately on the drug user. Drivin that is so wrong - "The dangers of using drugs falls immediately on the drug user." The dangers of the meth user fall upon the family and society big time. Watch my news sometime. We get to hear about people in apartment complexes being injured while a meth lab in one of those apartments is active and blows up apartments. We get to hear about children being harmed by the fumes of the meth lab when they are in those houses. I can drive 1 hr. and go to Walmart and see the meth heads and be afraid of their driving. We get to hear about the crimes from the meth users. Rural Missouri is probably the meth capitol. People are dying. Children are getting messed up - physically and emotionally. They are neglected too. Oh, yeah, don't be hiking around their hidden labs. They'll shoot you. Meth affects so much more then the user. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. |
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i'm sorry...but if you legalize meth, you make it more acceptable. i never want my kids to think that meth is okay...and i certainly don't want parental use to be destigmatized, either. I agree. |
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It is my decision, to take it or not. I do not do, and never done drugs (if you had to know). But, it is my decision, and I will not put up with someone making it for me, even if it is the same decision I would have made anyway. But we can certainly prohibit drugs. All we need to do is say we are not a free country. Enough with lies. No civilized country is a "free country". They have laws. This includes stoplights, stop signs and speed limits. There would be utter chaos if a country didn't have laws. |
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Legalize it and the problem will remain. Addicts will do anything to get their next fix, morals and laws be damned. It is not a case of individual choice, but one where the greater good of society must out way that of the individual. One use can make someone an addict. Making it legal removes a social stigma, making seem alright. The problem is that freedom from that sigma makes seem like trying it won't hurt, but one use will often make one an addict. Locking an addict away isn't best answer, but neither is legalizing it. Addicts need treatment. Well said. |
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I don't know who was the first to bring coffee out of the jungle. The story I heard was; Explorers were exploring the Columbian jungle and smelled this wonderful aroma they had never smelled before. They followed the smell ans came upon a group of Indigenous. They had a big pot over a fire boiling away. One of the explorers dipped his cup in and sampled it. He liked it a lot and enjoyed the high it gave him. After boiling for a while, they pulled the pot off the fire and poured the liquid onto the ground. The explorers asked why they did that. They told them, they eat the beans and pour off the poison. A little off topic but this reminded me of the story. Meth is baaaad stuff.  Hussein invented it
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Edited by
Winx
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Mon 04/27/09 07:52 PM
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When an informed person becomes addicted to something, it was their own decision. They were willing to accept those consequences. If someone becomes addicted, fund raisers may raise money to support rehab centers, but it is still up to the addict to come around. If someone becomes addicted, loses their job because they are undependable, it opens the job market for someone more responsible doesn't it? That means when Jonny or Joe can't find a job because they are a victim of a falling economy, this will open up opportunities for him that weren't available before. Nifty how that works. In a free society those with the desire to succeed are allowed to. Those without enough desire, or no ambition, won't. This is nature. An addict didn't choose to become addicted. When they were children, they didn't say that they wanted to grow up and be an addict. You say that when an addict loses their job, it opens up a position for another person? Well, that addict won't have insurance either. We'll be paying their medical when they go to the ER. Their bills won't be paid. Their children won't have food. They can become homeless. Many are put into the foster care system. This all costs us in so many ways - financially and ethically. |
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I do not know about anyone else, but I do not adjust my personal morals and ethics according to the government restrictions...
With that being said... Legalization is no gaurantee of increased usage... Being illegal is not stopping it's use... If someone is going to do it, they are, no matter of the legality issue... It would be more readily available, and 'cleaner'... I do not see any possible correlation between legalization and increased or more widely 'accepted' usage... Abortion is legal... does that make it more widely accepted? Alcohol is legal... does that make it more widely accepted? Capital punishment is legal... does that make it more widely accepted? Gay marraige? We have eduation do we not? The best argument against it's legalization is the physical danger aspect... Honestly, that may be enough... Sadly, that is going to happen anyway! |
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Edited by
scttrbrain
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Mon 04/27/09 07:56 PM
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(((You prohibit something you empower drug cartels and criminals. You fund them. You also waste money and resources on combating such things. This strains the economy. Instead of having productive jobs that add to the GDP, and letting people hold onto the money so they can buy up this capital, you are spending it on a never ending war that i believe has no positive outcomes.
""Also, to answer your questions, the child molester is violating the rights of the child. The drunk driver is violating the safety of others. You see where this is going. The dangers of using drugs falls immediately on the drug user. If this user violates the rights of anyone else by robbery, assault, etc, then they would suffer from the full extent of the law. See where i am going. Basically I'm saying that it is ok to play with fire, but if you burn someone you will be held accountable. Kinda like letting children have a little more responsibility. You know. You can stay up as late as you want, as long as you get up for school in the morning. You know that sort of thing... You used, you struggled, but you overcame. I highly doubt you will ever touch the stuff again. But there is a difference. If it were legal, i would theorize that the money you spent, instead of going to a drug dealer, would go to a store, or company, where the drug COULD be regulated.""))) Wrong again sir. The rights of anyone and everyone is at peril when a meth user is on the prowl. You say "if" if isn't working in meth world. It is "when". Children are the biggest victims from meth using. They are in foster homes and shelters all over. They are among the largest neglected groups around. They are abused both mentally, physically, and emotionally. They are left to fend for themselves for the most part. Meth users forget to eat. They forget about the kids needs. They rarely keep tabs on their cleanliness. They will of course send them to school, that is so they can have some meth time. The kids are in the way. I know of a couple of stories where children were traded for it. I did struggle. It took at least two years to quit acting like a meth addict. It has been almost 8 years now since I last tried it. I tried it one time after being clean for 5 years. (this was before now) It was exactly the same then as it was earlier on. One does not ever forget what it was like. One never forgets the sickness. One gets back the conscience and see's the life of insanity and never understands why. Knowing that it would be exactly the same if we try it again just cause. I will always be an addict. Just not using. You say if it was legal I would go to a store to buy it? Have you not been listening? I would not. I would have it made by supplying the ingredients. It would cost me about 400.00 to have it made and I would get for my investment about.... oh lets see......a few ounces...times....and .....divided by.....5,400 dollars minus my own stash......4,725 and I could easily make up the loss revenue by selling smaller amounts to those that could only buy quarters. Do you really think that legalizing it is going to change anything??? No...It will continue to be a street drug, made by ordinary people with a recipe. The gangs are just a very small piece of this particular drug. This drug will never be regulated. The ease in which it is made and ingredients change all the time. The regulatory use of this drug was actually when it was coming straight from the ----- "left blank" on purpose. It was an efficient and calculating force. You did what was told you and if you screwed up...you lose. A jacket was then placed on you and it was all over til you could prove yourself. It changed with the everyday chemist. The man or woman next door who got a recipe. Kat |
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Oh yeah...I got very sick from meth. I spent 6 weeks in the hospital. Got out for a couple of weeks then back in for three more weeks. I had insurance. Thank goodness for that. If I hadn't...guess who would have been picking up the bill? It was to the tune of 360,000!! Yeah...that much. I nearly died. Three times. Septicemia, lungs, liver, blood, pneumonia..all septic. All meth.
I still think about it at times. It will never leave me. 8 years clean...and it is a ghost with feelers...always extending...always reaching. I hope I will never ever touch it again. My family loves me and has faith in me even if I don't. Will that be enough? I know the only time I will truely be safe from that monster is when I die. Then I will have made it. Kat |
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I understand where everyone is coming from. Why sugar coat this by hiding behind the false pretense of helping people and call it like it is. People are against the use of meth, therefore their morality over rides anyone's right to control their body. Call it like it is. People are too stupid to make decisions for themselves. Especially important ones like drug use. So let the government play nanny and do what's best for us... Just realize one thing. You are willing to fund and empower gangs and drug lords that use violence on a regular basis. As long as having a nanny is important enough to put up with increased gang violence we should all be ok with no longer having to make our own decisions. Exactly, my friend. These, are words of True American. No, I do not mean it as meant by FDR, or Bush, or Obama, or any of these little people. I mean this as it was understood by those who actually built this country, those taking their beginning from founding fathers. Once it is O.K. to trump my rights for your benefit, there is no telling where it would stop. Violence breeds violence. Some of the worst gangsters have this as their motivation to trump the rights of others. This discussion is hopeless. And since this board is a small sample of what America is today, America is hopeless, as well. Those who aim to oppress others, in the end, will be oppressed themselves. |
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I understand where everyone is coming from. Why sugar coat this by hiding behind the false pretense of helping people and call it like it is. People are against the use of meth, therefore their morality over rides anyone's right to control their body. Call it like it is. People are too stupid to make decisions for themselves. Especially important ones like drug use. So let the government play nanny and do what's best for us... Just realize one thing. You are willing to fund and empower gangs and drug lords that use violence on a regular basis. As long as having a nanny is important enough to put up with increased gang violence we should all be ok with no longer having to make our own decisions. Exactly, my friend. These, are words of True American. No, I do not mean it as meant by FDR, or Bush, or Obama, or any of these little people. I mean this as it was understood by those who actually built this country, those taking their beginning from founding fathers. Once it is O.K. to trump my rights for your benefit, there is no telling where it would stop. Violence breeds violence. Some of the worst gangsters have this as their motivation to trump the rights of others. This discussion is hopeless. And since this board is a small sample of what America is today, America is hopeless, as well. Those who aim to oppress others, in the end, will be oppressed themselves.  Itz all part of my plan
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I understand where everyone is coming from. Why sugar coat this by hiding behind the false pretense of helping people and call it like it is. People are against the use of meth, therefore their morality over rides anyone's right to control their body. Call it like it is. People are too stupid to make decisions for themselves. Especially important ones like drug use. So let the government play nanny and do what's best for us... Just realize one thing. You are willing to fund and empower gangs and drug lords that use violence on a regular basis. As long as having a nanny is important enough to put up with increased gang violence we should all be ok with no longer having to make our own decisions. Exactly, my friend. These, are words of True American. No, I do not mean it as meant by FDR, or Bush, or Obama, or any of these little people. I mean this as it was understood by those who actually built this country, those taking their beginning from founding fathers. Once it is O.K. to trump my rights for your benefit, there is no telling where it would stop. Violence breeds violence. Some of the worst gangsters have this as their motivation to trump the rights of others. This discussion is hopeless. And since this board is a small sample of what America is today, America is hopeless, as well. Those who aim to oppress others, in the end, will be oppressed themselves. Thing is; America was not built on drugs. The forefathers had no clue what was at hand. America quit being free with all the new demands for freedoms. Even the ones that will kill you. This thread is built on ignorance....it will not learn..it is closed minded in its reality by a few who blindly see. Kat |
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Also, to answer your questions, the child molester is violating the rights of the child. The drunk driver is violating the safety of others. You see where this is going. The dangers of using drugs falls immediately on the drug user. Drivin that is so wrong - "The dangers of using drugs falls immediately on the drug user." The dangers of the meth user fall upon the family and society big time. Watch my news sometime. We get to hear about people in apartment complexes being injured while a meth lab in one of those apartments is active and blows up apartments. We get to hear about children being harmed by the fumes of the meth lab when they are in those houses. I can drive 1 hr. and go to Walmart and see the meth heads and be afraid of their driving. We get to hear about the crimes from the meth users. Rural Missouri is probably the meth capitol. People are dying. Children are getting messed up - physically and emotionally. They are neglected too. Oh, yeah, don't be hiking around their hidden labs. They'll shoot you. Meth affects so much more then the user. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Make it legal, to compete with those people trying to make it privately, than make the process of home-brewing it illegal. It is not societies fault if someone wants to use. It is the users fault. Unless we aren't old enough to know better... |
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This is why substances like marijuana, LSD, and mushrooms get a backburner to legalization. There is always someone saying that cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, etc. should be legalized as well.
...One step forward, three steps back. |
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When an informed person becomes addicted to something, it was their own decision. They were willing to accept those consequences. If someone becomes addicted, fund raisers may raise money to support rehab centers, but it is still up to the addict to come around. If someone becomes addicted, loses their job because they are undependable, it opens the job market for someone more responsible doesn't it? That means when Jonny or Joe can't find a job because they are a victim of a falling economy, this will open up opportunities for him that weren't available before. Nifty how that works. In a free society those with the desire to succeed are allowed to. Those without enough desire, or no ambition, won't. This is nature. An addict didn't choose to become addicted. When they were children, they didn't say that they wanted to grow up and be an addict. You say that when an addict loses their job, it opens up a position for another person? Well, that addict won't have insurance either. We'll be paying their medical when they go to the ER. Their bills won't be paid. Their children won't have food. They can become homeless. Many are put into the foster care system. This all costs us in so many ways - financially and ethically. Cause and affect Winx... The addict chose to use, understanding the consequences. Therefore the addict created the problem his/her self. |
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This is why substances like marijuana, LSD, and mushrooms get a backburner to legalization. There is always someone saying that cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, etc. should be legalized as well. ...One step forward, three steps back. This is why i say start with pot, see what happens. Then go from there. You can't lose with my philosophy. Do i believe in drugs? No. I don't use. But, what i would love to see is the blame for these drugs being placed where it belongs. The people that use them. They create the demand and "money makers" want to supply it. The smaller the black market, the less organized crime there will be. If you want to fund gangs and organized crime, make something illegal. Kinda crazy isn't it? All i have on this is a theory and a philosophy. The theory was stated above. The philosophy is having people take responsibility for their own actions instead of expecting the government to step in as a parent. We as citizens of this country have more power than the government will ever have. Why you don't think you do i will never know. Making drugs illegal won't take them off the streets. It just puts money in the hands of criminals. Just like firearms. Make them illegal, and gang violence will grow as a result of a growing black market. You don't want your kids to use. Get involved with his or her life. Educate them. Discipline them accordingly. They will be much smarter for it. Do you guys see where i am coming from here? But Benjamin Franklin once said "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Whether you guys are right or not. Just accept that you are literally calling for your masters to make decisions for us. |
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Also, to answer your questions, the child molester is violating the rights of the child. The drunk driver is violating the safety of others. You see where this is going. The dangers of using drugs falls immediately on the drug user. Drivin that is so wrong - "The dangers of using drugs falls immediately on the drug user." The dangers of the meth user fall upon the family and society big time. Watch my news sometime. We get to hear about people in apartment complexes being injured while a meth lab in one of those apartments is active and blows up apartments. We get to hear about children being harmed by the fumes of the meth lab when they are in those houses. I can drive 1 hr. and go to Walmart and see the meth heads and be afraid of their driving. We get to hear about the crimes from the meth users. Rural Missouri is probably the meth capitol. People are dying. Children are getting messed up - physically and emotionally. They are neglected too. Oh, yeah, don't be hiking around their hidden labs. They'll shoot you. Meth affects so much more then the user. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Make it legal, to compete with those people trying to make it privately, than make the process of home-brewing it illegal. It is not societies fault if someone wants to use. It is the users fault. Unless we aren't old enough to know better... People are going to make it privately anyway. Addicts are addicts. Many try to self medicate depression or anxieties. If it's not meth, they'll be finding something else. Psychologists don't even know which came first...the using or the depression. I'm not saying that all addicts have those problems but many are dual diagnosis. |
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i'm sorry...but if you legalize meth, you make it more acceptable. i never want my kids to think that meth is okay...and i certainly don't want parental use to be destigmatized, either. As long as you're fine sacrificing my freedoms and my rights to do harm to my own body, for your leisure of not bringing up your children properly, what kind of respect for your rights do you expect from me? i'm actually not thinking of my children, but yours. i'm worried about the children that are being raised in households containing meth. while i completely respect the right to ruin one's one life, there's just too many casualties, societal and otherwise for methamphetamine. a child should have the right to not be raised in such a situation by such a person. (please note: by "yours", i am not speaking of nogames, i am speaking in general.) |
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