http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af3RjDntlhs&feature=related

This shows how someone's looks changed in a short time while using meth.

I never want to see meth or crack legalized.

The issue is not the affects of meth by any means. I'm a doctor in training remember? It has horrible side affects, and can cause early addiction.

We agree on that at least.

There is a problem with drugs in our society. I think we can agree on that.

Now, what exactly that problem is, and how it should be solved is in dispute.

I think Fanta had a nice idea by looking at Portugal. If what we are using isn't working, perhaps we try something that seems to be?

It is, it happens so rare that you only see maybe one or two documented cases. Hell, I can't even find one and I Googled it. I don't doubt the validity of the video posted, all I am saying is it happens very rarely. Most injuries or deaths that occur because of meth are typically accidental or suicides, on rare occasion someone will scratch their arm off...however it is very rare and widely sparsed among the population of users (roughly 1.4 million people use meth). Number wise the documented cases are quite minimal.

I don't like meth, I've done meth and never really liked it. Yet millions of people are addicted to it, live it, breath it, and inject it daily...yet I cannot find one documented case of someone scratching their arm off...

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1448174 (Pretty sure they would have put it in here somewhere...)

Legalize meth?

I don't think so. Back in the days when it was made using P2P and
in a lab, I was heavy into it. Every single one of my partners from that period is dead now. Every last one. All but one died from gunshots. The other, a heart attack induced by..you guessed it, meth.

This is all we need...a country full of skeletonized, paranoid speed freaks. I actually think the guys cooking it and selling it should be locked away for a long long time. And as for the Mexican super-labs, we should have covert ops to take them out. The corrupt Mexican government sure isn't going to do it....ever. The thermal (and olfactory) signature is unmistakable even from a P3 flying at 30,000 ft. and would be easy to pinpoint. Locking down the borders for that reason and the rest isn't a bad idea either.

Meth bad.

As a matter of fact, the guy in the photo behind me in my pic was my #1 brother in the world at that time. He got shot about 30 times over it. His body loked like a sweating wax dummy in the casket. His wife and baby girl had to see that. About 500 Bandidos showed up for his funeral here but not a one did anything about it. The guy that shot him was a big supplier. And I guess brotherhood takes a back seat over meth. Everything does.

Amphetamines are totally different from meth.

Meth was developed as a pyscotropic drug with a hope that it would help control people with pyscotic episiodes (was developed in the 60's).

It has since proven to be extreemly dangerous to the public.

It can and does cause delusions on grand scale

Anyone who has seen a person spinning down and looking for a 'bump' knows just how dangerous this drug is...

Legalize pot... I can live with that.

Legalize this particular form of stupidity and the effects would reach far beyond what damage it causes to our society now.

Let me clarify one thing here, I am indifferent to the legalization of meth. I have seen what it does, how it effects people and how relationships can be lost in a matter of weeks due to the abuse of the drug. All I am doing is bringing facts to a rather biased discussion, we all have our own personal views on the different illicit substances. However we must first know the facts before we can argue with any validity, no facts, one sided discussion.

Still the best site for unbiased professional and casual facts and opinions on drugs of all kind (prescribed and illicit): http://www.erowid.org/ Please research what you are debating.

Erowid is biased.

Drivin,

I don't think the problem will ever go away.

How? So far you all seem to get your facts from a mystical source that I can't seem to find aside from a Youtube video...and we all know Youtube is the basis of all fact...

It's biased for the user's. It has their spin on it. I want scientific facts.

Yep, Youtube is all about facts.

On second thought, give me your unbiased source of this mystical epidemic of meth addicts scratching their arm off...I'll be waiting.

Try looking in a book. Encylopedia is where I found some information about meth. It turns out that congress allowed the cia to experiment with it back in the past. (imagine that)

Congress also decided to make the drug illegal after that.

Internet is only as good as the information that has been placed in it.

You haven't read anything from Erowid...have you? There are no spins, if something doesn't go right the person documenting the activity makes it known. Read the meth section, there are several people on that part that have said somewhat of the same stuff you have said...only they went through the effects of use.

Here: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=50597

Here is a more emotional one: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=50735

Fear,

I looked through that site quite a bit when you showed it to me on the pot thread. Much of what I read was subjective.

I've researched most illicit drugs on my own, real research...you know? The kind where you actually leave the house and ask professionals, where you get out and learn from people that know more than you do about the given subject. I did this for years with meth, and marijuana alike.

Don't give advice to people you don't know...

I'm done here...of course the marijuana part of the site is going to be subjective, the majority of the people on the site know it is harmless.

Have fun in blind bliss...

No, blind bliss, here, Fear. I read the science sites and I've read your site too.

Legalize Pot & Prostitution, 300% pleaqsure tax.

Hang all other drug users & sex crime violators.

NO EXCEPTIONS

Opinion of an Old Sage