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When an informed person becomes addicted to something, it was their own decision. They were willing to accept those consequences. If someone becomes addicted, fund raisers may raise money to support rehab centers, but it is still up to the addict to come around. If someone becomes addicted, loses their job because they are undependable, it opens the job market for someone more responsible doesn't it? That means when Jonny or Joe can't find a job because they are a victim of a falling economy, this will open up opportunities for him that weren't available before. Nifty how that works. In a free society those with the desire to succeed are allowed to. Those without enough desire, or no ambition, won't. This is nature. An addict didn't choose to become addicted. When they were children, they didn't say that they wanted to grow up and be an addict. You say that when an addict loses their job, it opens up a position for another person? Well, that addict won't have insurance either. We'll be paying their medical when they go to the ER. Their bills won't be paid. Their children won't have food. They can become homeless. Many are put into the foster care system. This all costs us in so many ways - financially and ethically. Cause and affect Winx... The addict chose to use, understanding the consequences. Therefore the addict created the problem his/her self. They don't know that they are going to get addicted. Addiction sneaks up on people. They also have dirty thinking that tells them that everything's going to be okay. Ten people drink the same amount of alcohol. Two of those will become alcoholics. (I made the numbers up. lol) |
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I understand where everyone is coming from. Why sugar coat this by hiding behind the false pretense of helping people and call it like it is. People are against the use of meth, therefore their morality over rides anyone's right to control their body. Call it like it is. People are too stupid to make decisions for themselves. Especially important ones like drug use. So let the government play nanny and do what's best for us... Just realize one thing. You are willing to fund and empower gangs and drug lords that use violence on a regular basis. As long as having a nanny is important enough to put up with increased gang violence we should all be ok with no longer having to make our own decisions. Exactly, my friend. These, are words of True American. No, I do not mean it as meant by FDR, or Bush, or Obama, or any of these little people. I mean this as it was understood by those who actually built this country, those taking their beginning from founding fathers. Once it is O.K. to trump my rights for your benefit, there is no telling where it would stop. Violence breeds violence. Some of the worst gangsters have this as their motivation to trump the rights of others. This discussion is hopeless. And since this board is a small sample of what America is today, America is hopeless, as well. Those who aim to oppress others, in the end, will be oppressed themselves. Thing is; America was not built on drugs. The forefathers had no clue what was at hand. America quit being free with all the new demands for freedoms. Even the ones that will kill you. This thread is built on ignorance....it will not learn..it is closed minded in its reality by a few who blindly see. Kat Our forefathers, if you read some of their quotes and writings, knew much more than you give them credit for. According to them, America was an experiment. The purpose of the government was supposed to be defensive militarily, and they were supposed to keep you from violating your neighbor's rights. Very simple. It was supposed to be small and easy to manage. In order for this to work people must pursue happiness on his or her own,without expecting any advantage over the next person. Whether you are poor or rich, you are free to work to achieve more wealth and prosperity. They believed if there was something unwise for the people to partake in, the people should be educated and informed, but given the responsibility to make the decision his or herself. "This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -Benjamin Franklin AND I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion. -Thomas Jefferson They knew it would be tiresome to maintain this liberty as many would make these unwise decisions. They knew that people would eventually want the government to pay for the poor and provide social programs. Their advice was this. I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. -Thomas Jefferson Although temptation may be there to have the government play the role of the parent, it was to be people, that helped each other. This is why town meetings used to be regular, and there used to be frequent Grange organizations where local people could get together and work for a better community. This took time and energy though. This is why Thomas Paine mentioned this... Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. -Thomas Paine Here is another good one. One that kinda describes my philosophies politically... "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." Thomas Jefferson At that time, people were mature enough to govern themselves. The system was not perfect, as there was still slavery. But the general philosophy still stands. "When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon." -Thomas Paine When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. Thomas Paine He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself. Thomas Paine Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories. Thomas Jefferson I have no fear that the result of our experiment will be that men may be trusted to govern themselves without a master. Thomas Jefferson Here's another good one. "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. " Thomas Jefferson |
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Oh yeah...I got very sick from meth. I spent 6 weeks in the hospital. Got out for a couple of weeks then back in for three more weeks. I had insurance. Thank goodness for that. If I hadn't...guess who would have been picking up the bill? It was to the tune of 360,000!! Yeah...that much. I nearly died. Three times. Septicemia, lungs, liver, blood, pneumonia..all septic. All meth. I still think about it at times. It will never leave me. 8 years clean...and it is a ghost with feelers...always extending...always reaching. I hope I will never ever touch it again. My family loves me and has faith in me even if I don't. Will that be enough? I know the only time I will truely be safe from that monster is when I die. Then I will have made it. Kat I'm glad that everything is so much better for you now. 
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my grandmother used to say...you will never become an alcoholic if you never take the first drink
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When an informed person becomes addicted to something, it was their own decision. They were willing to accept those consequences. If someone becomes addicted, fund raisers may raise money to support rehab centers, but it is still up to the addict to come around. If someone becomes addicted, loses their job because they are undependable, it opens the job market for someone more responsible doesn't it? That means when Jonny or Joe can't find a job because they are a victim of a falling economy, this will open up opportunities for him that weren't available before. Nifty how that works. In a free society those with the desire to succeed are allowed to. Those without enough desire, or no ambition, won't. This is nature. An addict didn't choose to become addicted. When they were children, they didn't say that they wanted to grow up and be an addict. You say that when an addict loses their job, it opens up a position for another person? Well, that addict won't have insurance either. We'll be paying their medical when they go to the ER. Their bills won't be paid. Their children won't have food. They can become homeless. Many are put into the foster care system. This all costs us in so many ways - financially and ethically. Cause and affect Winx... The addict chose to use, understanding the consequences. Therefore the addict created the problem his/her self. They don't know that they are going to get addicted. Addiction sneaks up on people. They also have dirty thinking that tells them that everything's going to be okay. Ten people drink the same amount of alcohol. Two of those will become alcoholics. (I made the numbers up. lol) I understand what you are saying. Laws won't change people's inability to think things through. In fact, in the long run, they hinder it. A person doing heroine, or meth, knows, with the first dose, you may become addicted. It is not certain, but it is a risk they accepted. This is why the drug itself isn't necessarily the problem. It is the one who willingly puts the drug into his or her body knowing or even not knowing the consequence. Ignorance is no excuse either. If society accepts that, you will see almost all our problems suddenly disappear without any help from any government. |
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my grandmother used to say...you will never become an alcoholic if you never take the first drink  This is kinda my point!! |
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I can try it just a little bit and then quit and *I* can neer get addicted
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I can try it just a little bit and then quit and *I* can neer get addicted yep, it'll never happen to "me". and believe me...if you're twelve, you reeeeally feel that way. |
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I know i'm walking a knife's edge here, but a drug only harms oneself. A crime is committed once someone harms someone, or steals from someone etc, whether or not drugs are the underlying purpose.
Educate the people, then he or she will be able to make intelligent decisions themselves. |
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I can try it just a little bit and then quit and *I* can neer get addicted yep, it'll never happen to "me". and believe me...if you're twelve, you reeeeally feel that way. And it will still be illegal for this 12 year old.... |
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When an informed person becomes addicted to something, it was their own decision. They were willing to accept those consequences. If someone becomes addicted, fund raisers may raise money to support rehab centers, but it is still up to the addict to come around. If someone becomes addicted, loses their job because they are undependable, it opens the job market for someone more responsible doesn't it? That means when Jonny or Joe can't find a job because they are a victim of a falling economy, this will open up opportunities for him that weren't available before. Nifty how that works. In a free society those with the desire to succeed are allowed to. Those without enough desire, or no ambition, won't. This is nature. An addict didn't choose to become addicted. When they were children, they didn't say that they wanted to grow up and be an addict. You say that when an addict loses their job, it opens up a position for another person? Well, that addict won't have insurance either. We'll be paying their medical when they go to the ER. Their bills won't be paid. Their children won't have food. They can become homeless. Many are put into the foster care system. This all costs us in so many ways - financially and ethically. Cause and affect Winx... The addict chose to use, understanding the consequences. Therefore the addict created the problem his/her self. They don't know that they are going to get addicted. Addiction sneaks up on people. They also have dirty thinking that tells them that everything's going to be okay. Ten people drink the same amount of alcohol. Two of those will become alcoholics. (I made the numbers up. lol) I understand what you are saying. Laws won't change people's inability to think things through. In fact, in the long run, they hinder it. A person doing heroine, or meth, knows, with the first dose, you may become addicted. It is not certain, but it is a risk they accepted. This is why the drug itself isn't necessarily the problem. It is the one who willingly puts the drug into his or her body knowing or even not knowing the consequence. Ignorance is no excuse either. If society accepts that, you will see almost all our problems suddenly disappear without any help from any government. I see what you're saying, Driven. But..the addict's brain is different. They don't think that they're going to get addicted. Sometimes they are high on something else and will try meth. They are not thinking clearly. Addiction is an odd thing. A crack addict is out of crack and might try meth but it doesn't satisfy their need. So they don't do meth again. They will do anything to stop their pain. |
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Ever wonder why it seems countries with no drinking ages have fewer alcohol related accidents?
Or why countries that freely allow the use of drugs don't seem to have as big of a problem as we do? I'm gonna look some stuff up.... see if i can find info on it. My mother always told me, "when you take responsibility away from people, they behave irresponsibly." Much research is needed... |
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I can try it just a little bit and then quit and *I* can neer get addicted yep, it'll never happen to "me". and believe me...if you're twelve, you reeeeally feel that way. I think even later. A teenager's frontal lobe isn't developed yet. It doesn't reach maturity until the early 20's. |
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When an informed person becomes addicted to something, it was their own decision. They were willing to accept those consequences. If someone becomes addicted, fund raisers may raise money to support rehab centers, but it is still up to the addict to come around. If someone becomes addicted, loses their job because they are undependable, it opens the job market for someone more responsible doesn't it? That means when Jonny or Joe can't find a job because they are a victim of a falling economy, this will open up opportunities for him that weren't available before. Nifty how that works. In a free society those with the desire to succeed are allowed to. Those without enough desire, or no ambition, won't. This is nature. An addict didn't choose to become addicted. When they were children, they didn't say that they wanted to grow up and be an addict. You say that when an addict loses their job, it opens up a position for another person? Well, that addict won't have insurance either. We'll be paying their medical when they go to the ER. Their bills won't be paid. Their children won't have food. They can become homeless. Many are put into the foster care system. This all costs us in so many ways - financially and ethically. Cause and affect Winx... The addict chose to use, understanding the consequences. Therefore the addict created the problem his/her self. They don't know that they are going to get addicted. Addiction sneaks up on people. They also have dirty thinking that tells them that everything's going to be okay. Ten people drink the same amount of alcohol. Two of those will become alcoholics. (I made the numbers up. lol) I understand what you are saying. Laws won't change people's inability to think things through. In fact, in the long run, they hinder it. A person doing heroine, or meth, knows, with the first dose, you may become addicted. It is not certain, but it is a risk they accepted. This is why the drug itself isn't necessarily the problem. It is the one who willingly puts the drug into his or her body knowing or even not knowing the consequence. Ignorance is no excuse either. If society accepts that, you will see almost all our problems suddenly disappear without any help from any government. I see what you're saying, Driven. But..the addict's brain is different. They don't think that they're going to get addicted. Sometimes they are high on something else and will try meth. They are not thinking clearly. Addiction is an odd thing. A crack addict is out of crack and might try meth but it doesn't satisfy their need. So they don't do meth again. They will do anything to stop their pain. Addiction is a problem. I definitely understand that. It will be a little less of a problem if people have to own up to their responsibilities... If not... they won't ever get ahead. Evolution will take care of the rest... |
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Legalization should never be ruled out, unless we find a definite answer. All we have now is theory...
I say start with pot. A few years later something else. We can go from there. Maybe if people can get pot and shrooms legally, there won't be as many meth users... We will never know unless we try... |
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I can try it just a little bit and then quit and *I* can neer get addicted yep, it'll never happen to "me". and believe me...if you're twelve, you reeeeally feel that way. I think even later. A teenager's frontal lobe isn't developed yet. It doesn't reach maturity until the early 20's. You are correct
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just don't take away my allergy meds or i'll pop them with my nerf gun (sniff)
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this thread is still going?
ever since they did away with ether base it's gone downhill and isnt worht the money |
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Legalization should never be ruled out, unless we find a definite answer. All we have now is theory... I say start with pot. A few years later something else. We can go from there. Maybe if people can get pot and shrooms legally, there won't be as many meth users... We will never know unless we try... can we, um...maybe legalize it somewhere else? somewhere i don't live with my family? you know...keep it out of my state? pretty please? children are more likely to try something that's legal in the first place. it'd be easier to get with less stigma attached. it's NOT okay. it's a public health emergency...the costs on society are just too high. |
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Ok, I skipped a couple of pages in the middle of this thread, so if someone already mentioned this, I apologize. But isn't methamphetamine one of the drugs that Hitler usd to maintain loyalty among the SS? I heard that he provided them with drugs, including this one, and when they were addicted to it, he made sure that they could only get it through the SS heirarchy. Did I hear and understand correctly?
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