"Faith is the substance of things hoped for,

and the evidence of things not seen ."

Faith brings forth the substance of the things hoped for .


In the beginning ,God ALWAYS SPOKE first..

THEN God Created.

ALWAYS God SAID first.....then He Created (read genesis chapter one).

It takes far less than two weeks to learn that no one is an expert on Tarot!

When I became interested in Tarot I bought five decks of Tarot cards, each one came with it's own book. And I did this specifically because I wanted to get a feel for all the different views on the subject. I bought some of the more popular decks including the Rider Waite Deck that most people consider to be the 'standard deck'.

That same week I rented several DVD videos including one put out be Rider Waite, and several documentaries that covered the history of Tarot along with interviews of many very famous Tarot card readers.

Even the most popular readers don't agree with each other on how to read the cards or what they mean.

I also bought some books that you had actually recommended!

The bottom line is that what I discovered is that Tarot is simply ONE MEANS of divination. There are many others, Runes being a popular favorite, as well as palm reading and scrying (often with the use of a cystal ball, but many other mediums are used as well).

The main thing I learned is that there are more different opinions are Tarot than there are cards in the deck.

Not the least of which are opinions from actual psychologists who give a very practical psychological aspect of using the cards for introspection with no need to resort to any mystical notions of divination. Even fact I even watched some interviews with scholars of bother psychology and history who give very compelling reasons to believe that the originators of the original Tarot cards (long before Rider Waite) actually intended them as very pragmatic pscyhological aids rather than as mystical divination which came later.

I don't hold that any of these views are true. But after seeing the very diverse opinions from very educated and scholarly people I'm personally inclinded to believe that Tarot is whatever you make.

And so I ran with that. I also make it very clear to anyone when I speak about Tarot that I am offering my own opinions ONLY. I really go out of my way to make that as clear as I can. I also make sure that the fully understand that I do not claim to be clairvoyant in any way.

I can't be much more honest than that.

If I appear to be an expert on Tarot as you say, it can only be because I have gained a great abundance of knowledge of it over a very short period of time.

I also point people to Joan Bunning's site when they have questions about Tarot. A site link that you actually gave me. Although I also read her book as well.

I think the story of the Journey of the Fool is a very good life's analogy and I share this with people and I offer them my perceptions of what it means to me, if they are interested in hearing that.

In fact, most of the authors of the books I've read about Tarot (including the books that came with the five Tarot Decks that I bought) say that Tarot works best if the individual follows what feels intuitively correct for THEM.

That seems to be the most prominent view promoted by all of the authors I have read, as well as by many of the Tarot card readers that I've seen in video documentaries.

So this is the advice that I pass off to other people. The best advice seems to be to go with what calls to you! That seems to be the most acceptable approach to Tarot across the board. As well as the most common advice given to all methods of divination, scrying or any form of introspection.

I always offer this to people as the best I can make of it.

Again, I think you just view me as an expert on everything because you're totally overwhelmed and impressed by my thorough depth of knowledge on things.

I don't claim to be an expert on anything. Except perhaps wasting time posting on the Interent. I think I might be an expert on this. But then I'm sure I'm in good company with a lot of other experts of this same vice.

I would too.

In fact I even said many times that I'm in total agreement that it's a great philosophy to live by. I think everyone should live with an attitude of total optimism and faith.

It's GREAT!

I strongly support this motivational lifestyle.

I don't know how more positive I can be on that one.

Just don't expect me to back it up as physics.

It's FAITH.

Let's deal with it for what it is.

Trying to pass it off as a "Law of the universe", when no such law has ever been established is to actually endorse a LIE.

If it's FAITH, then be HONEST and share it as FAITH.

Where does this desperate need for dishonesty come from in all these FAITH-BASED philosophies?

Can't people just say, "We Don't KNOW! We only know it seems to work for us to some degree, and we have FAITH that it works"

In fact, anyone who wants to claim that their life is 100% problem free and nothing ever goes wrong and they can do ANYTHING, then why aren't they feeding a hungry world?

Clearly they have LIMITATIONS! Just like the rest of us!

This crap that if things don't work out the way you want it can only be because you didn't BELIEVE, is nonsense.

FEED THE WORLD FIRST! Then come and tell me how you can do ANYTHING via your Law of Attraction (or your ALL-POWERFUL God).

Other than that, you're just blowing a lot of hot air.

It's a great philosophy to live by. But don't try to tell me that if everything doesn't work out PERFECTLY in my life it's all my fault simply because I HAVE NO FAITH.

That's absurd, and everyone knows it.

FEED THE WORLD FIRST! SHOW US the power of this Law of Attraction, and then come and tell us about all these supernatural POWERS you have.

Until then, you're just blowing empty HOT AIR.

A faith-based hope? Sure! It's GREAT!

A genuine mechanism of the universe that allows you to attract ANYTHING you want?

Show me! Do something MIRACULOUS! FEED THE WORLD!

If you can't do it, then I'll just have to assume that even you have no FAITH in your Law of Attraction, or your All-Powerful Gods.

The proof is in the pudd'in.

Or does the Law of Attraction only apply to EGOTISTICAL SELFISH NEEDS?

You claim that you can become a millionaire, or even a billionaire!

In fact, you even claim there is NO LIMIT to the power of this Law!

Why aren't you feeding the WORLD then?

What's the hold up?

While We are Waiting on God

God is Waiting on Us...

To Do Something About the World's Situation

with

What He's Already Given Us.





One Might Consider

Recieving

A

" Brand New Heart"

Plus

"A Check Up from the Neckup " ,

First.

http://workplace-ministry.com/2008/02/01/the-law-of-attraction-a-christian-view/

I don't know! I only no that it seems to work for ME to some degree. When it works i always give thanks to "The Law Maker" for giveing me something i wanted or needed. If I got everyone of my hearts desires it would no longer be a supprise. Try haveing Christmas everyday and you'll soon find that to much of a good thing isn't good and that the sweet is never as sweet without the sour.




My life isn't even 50% problem free but I still feed those who are hungry around me. Even if I can't feed the world I have FAITH that my actions will have a butterfly effect and in some small way I am making the world a better place by living in love. I also know that if i were ever hungry, my actions would ripple back to me.



You only get what you give thats a major limitation for most people. This world is full of greedy, stingy, selfish people who are usually the first ones to cry "why me!" when they don't get what they want. Has anyone forgotten the golden rule? It's not just the Law/faith of attraction that comes into play here!



I agree completely on that point because.........as i said, there are more variables to consider. For example: Joe blow is out of work. He's a firm believer in LOA. He just knows he's gonna get that great job in one of his favorite buildings. After a great interview he gets a call that someone else has been picked. He does eventually get a job but it wasn't the one he was sure he would get. One day he turns the TV on and sees a plane fly into the building that he almost got a job in. Do you see where I'm going with this? Sometimes,as in this case, hinde sight is 20/20 but in most cases you will never realize how fortunate you were not to get exactly what you want. Don't get discouraged and let disappointment bring you down. When I think bout my first attempts to use this new concept I'm reminded of someone who has to learn to use there legs again after an accident. When you don't use an ability,that strength starts to atrophy. Using LOA for the first times isn't easy and the weak of mind and spirit and yes FAITH will surely let there minds be crippled by doubt and fear of the things they can't control. While others with open minds and hearts will cultivate a gift they had all along because they were determined to have FAITH. This knowledge has been hidden from us PEOPLE!!!



I believe the law of attraction is the mechanics of how a prayer works. I think it's sad that some use LOA without knowing that it was created by an entity of pure love. Be grateful, for the human experience is a unique one. By the way this world isn't rules by the god of love, but by the god of fear. Our time here as humans should be used to prove the evil wrong. We can not be rulers unto ourselves. We are like a living library for the plane of the realm of the angles to witness which deity wins this cosmic argument.
I will tell you THIS for sure, under the just law of our (((maker))) NO ONE WOULD STARVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



NO it might be because you're an a@@whole. You have a good point!
IE: karma or you reap what you sow



You know what guys? I think this dude is just hungry, somebody give this guy a sandwich!



You sound so evil.



again all this dude can talk about is food! here you go buddy.



I'm sure most people that CAN tap into this special gift, do think about the plight of humanity all the time. I know I do the best I can for others, both physically AND mentaly. Unfortunately, people like me are not easy to find. Say someone takes my kindness and doesn't "pay it forward" to someone else. That person or family will go hungry.(to keep on a topic you understand) How about you abracadabra? Are you eating roast beef today or are you running wee wee wee all the way home. What kind of person ARE You really?




I never made that claim. There ARE limits, I conquer.


And by the way, how ironic that your screen name is derived from the phrase avra kedabra which means "I will create as I speak".

Abra wrote:

"I strongly support this motivational lifestyle.

I don't know how more positive I can be on that one.

Just don't expect me to back it up as physics.

It's FAITH."



No Abra..LOA is NOT Faith....its a Law.

Having Faith to Believe in Something ,

does not make

That Something we Believe in , Faith .



Take Jeannie ,for instance........

That Something that Jeannie Believes in.......that something that

works for her , is Called a Law.

Not Faith.

But a LAW.

However....Jeannie has FAITH TO BELIEVE ...that the LAW of

Attraction works.

YES...Good Morning you delicious Mingle Believers!I will start this beautiful New York morning with a very deep and philisophical quote from Popey..."I am what I am and that's all that I am"!

James must have posted before breakfast

He needs some food.

I have faith in the Law. The Law is not faith itself.

Yes of course, that must be it.

I agree with everything you said about the Tarot. Nobody agrees what the cards mean. That is because each person develops a very unique method of reading the cards.

My best friend Darla and me have discussed and designed hundreds of cards and two complete decks TOGETHER and still, (and she is a tarot deck collector and perfectionist) and yet her book about what the cards mean TO HER will be different from mine.

We could not write a book together about the same deck that we created together. That is a good example of how each person's interpretation of the cards is very unique.

Anyone can read a bunch of books and then express a bunch of opinions. What you did was easy.

What takes time and thought is the development of your own unique reading system. I have been reading cards for five years and I am still learning a lot with every single reading, and I am still amazed at finding accuracy and incite from them.

And believe it or not, I am still a skeptic about them. Tarot cards are not a religion to me. I simply find them fascinating.

Yes but without faith the law will be less effective. I still believe that people use it everyday with out noticeing that they've done so. They chalk it up to coincedence, wich in my opinion is a ugly word.

Jeannie, Would you say that the cards utilize the LOA in some way. You ask questions and attract the answers. Some would say that deamons are giveing you the right cards or helping you interperate them. I'm not completely sold on that theory. Do you ask the question out loud because then i would lead more toward the deamon theory. But If the question was posed silently the deamons would'nt be able to hear and effect the answer. That's why the bible says "pray in your closet". ONly yhwh knows your thoughts.......right?

Let me translate James.






























There is no spoon.


WOW. So are the demons in question sitting around now . . . somewhere near by? OMG, do they watch me shower?

To use the law to its best advantage to benefit you personally, you simply must accept that it works and understand what you are doing that has created your current event or situation. The more you understand it, the more faith you will have.

The reason faith in a higher power or higher authority works is because it is easier to have faith in a higher authority and a God than it is to understand the Law of Attraction.

For people who don't have faith in a higher authority, and in addition to that, don't understand the law and demand proof, they will be forever kept from knowing or using the secrets it contains, and they will be unable to use faith to make the law work.

Morningsong has faith in God, so the law works for her. I have faith in the law itself and whatever is behind it. (I don't claim to know God, except that God is Love.)

For those who have faith in neither, and rely on science and proof, they would do well to just practice love and compassion and forget grappling with things they can't or don't understand. For them, faith is a fairy tale and a fool's journey. They continue to resist what is and make themselves unhappy.

Joy and happiness, gratitude and love alone will give you peace. If you can put your faith in that, your life will improve.

Its assumptions like these that put you at odds with me. I couldn't be more happy since I shed my own superstitious bronze age blather.

Sit quietly in a room by yourself for 20 minutes.Just sit there and let the thoughts come?The magic is in the silence..this thread is great but is only intellectual rubbish!Most people can't be with themselves for a minute...the mind takes over with.."OMG..I gotta do this and OMG..i have no time to sit here I am too busy".
This thread is a great way to plant a seed...but the growth comes when you are quiet and alone..truly!

In a way, yes. This being a thought reality, all that you see is a manifestation of thought.

You can also read 'signs' and know the course of an event in progress if you learn a system to interpret these signs.

With the tarot, you have your own set of 'signs' (the images) which is a language of images that you personally have assigned a meaning to. It is your own personal 'language' with the subconscious mind, a mind that knows more than you know.

I think the fear that demons are involved speaks to people who have seen the accuracy of the Tarot, and don't understand how it works. It is similar to a person who sees the things he does not want manifest in his reality and does not understand how he created it, and so he places blame on something else, like bad luck, the government, his parents, God, random chance, etc.

You have no reason to be at odds with me. It is your own thoughts that put you at odds. What I say or think should mean nothing to you.

Think what you choose.

Be at peace with yourself.

What you say should mean nothing to me?

What does that even mean? Words mean things.


It seems to me you like to make blanket statements regardless if its actually true, or means anything.