you wish to debate, lol???

i did not say your points were invalid???

i did not say you were wrong???

i already know all the points of merit of your logic???

however, the logic you are using, is IDEOLOGY ALONE, ALLBEIT, ALL TRUE??

i am speaking about reality, not ideology, no matter how correct the ideology be???

ideology is ONLY BENEFICIAL, IF AND WHEN ONE CAN TURN IT INTO REALITY???

SO, UNLESS ONESELF, OR IT'S GROUP, HAS THE WILL, AND THE POWER, TO CONVINCE ALL GOVERNMENTS, ALL NATIONS, ACROSS THE ENTIRE GLOBE, TO SURRENDER ALL WEAPONS NOW, ACROSS THE BOARD, THEN THE PEOPLES MUST RETAIN THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS FOR "BALANCE OF POWER"???

lunies or no lunies, as you so biasly of others???

to stand against bias, ONE CANNOT USE BIAS ITSELF???

this is the premise of the ideology you see in weapons have been thought to give the power???

the same is true IF ONE SEE IT ALL THINGS, NOT JUST THE SPECTRUM OF SELF EXPERIENCE, AS IN ALL WAYS, YOU RELATE ALL SUCH THING TO YOUR PERSONAL SELF, WHICH SHOW YOU STILL RETAIN BIAS, WHICH YOU SO DILLIGENTLY OPPOSE???

maximum power is not in weapons as you say, and is good logic and knowing, BUT THIS ONLY WORK IF ONE CONVINCE THE "WHOLE WORLD AS ONE", of the merits of the logic, and to use it???

until this happen, REALITY MUST BE THE ACCURATE CURRENT ASSESSMENT OF ALL GOOD LOGIC AND WISDOM???

I decide who is stupid


joking, dont get any drawers bunched up


I think everyone has thought someone or something was stupid at one time or another


stupid is as stupid does


whatever that means

No debate David. Just making a different point of view seen is all.

I do see others views and understand too. I can only speak from my personal experiences and understandings though because to speak from anothers would be untrue to them and myself.

I refuse to own a gun.

And there is nothing wrong with that, it is your right as much as mine to own one

each speak many things, and each word every one is most and all good, as each thing that come forth from the mouth, only lead to more knowing, from feedback from all the voices around self???

my words are ignorance, and only a hearer can deem them as anything more???

this thread is perfect in every way, just for the record, and each person in this thread in all manner and ways???

the words written here are not about any person at all, only about principles, and that alone, as people are MUCH MORE THAN PRINCIPLES, so to not mix these, for myself alone, is more for the sake of the immense value of all people's as one???

words are not of the most profit garnering principles, unless they are measured, and inspected, to see if they can hold water under intense scrutiny, when it comes to principle's that effect all human life and happiness???

i welcome all scrutiny of my words, to the greatest extent and detail, and demand nothing here give me back but folk or lore, lol???

peace

David, the ideology you speak of is how I live my life. I have no desire to control others. If I can help them to see me, a point of view different from their own, that is the best I can hope for in all interactions.

My ideology works for me, I created it, I honed it, I adjust it as necessary and I live it. It is mine. Noone can take it from me nor can I expect it to work globally.`

You see I have already lived the billy bad ass life style. I have already kicked ass and taken names. I have fought and fought and fought. Allowing noone to take advantage of me. Making snap judgements of folks based on looks or attitude. Chasing what everyone else said is the great American Dream and the proper way to live. I have suffered the great downs in life of death and disease. Scraping up the hill by finger nails and sliding back down to the start after every turn. Trying to manipulate others to treat me as I wanted. Looking for outside sources of power.

My journey of enlightenment began after I got tired of this. I have to thank every hill and valley along the way but I have outgrown it.

Peace starts inside of each individual being first before it will ever appear on the outside. Not saying you have to be vulnerable but you have to be peaceful to bring peace to the rest of the world. It starts inside of a person and works it's way outwards, not starts on the outside and works it's way in.

There is no peace in gun play, guns are not peaceful by nature. They are created to bring fear and death. There is Nothing positive in this influence in anyone's life.

If a person feels the need for a gun, they live in fear of something or somethings, that is not a positive way to live.

Nice to see you David.

sweety, each word from the mouth DOES CONTROL OTHER'S???

whether you wish to or not, each word effect another, SO CONTROL ANOTHER???

not in the sense of "control" as you speak, but it is not missed, that I SAID NOT ONE WORD ABOUT YOU TRYING TO CONTROL ANYTHING???

but, you find this word "control" from within yourself???

read my post again???

NOT ONE WORD ABOUT YOU TRYING TO CONTROL SOMEBODY???

i did not think that AT ALL!!!???

but you speak yourself, WHAT YOU TRY NOT TO DO???

this could only be so, if other's have accussed you of such, and if your own mind try not to do such????

all your words come from the perspective that PEACE MUST BE FOUND WITHIN, and you have already lived the badass life style, and no longer need such???

OTHER'S ARE NOT YOU???

it is first believing they are, that exert a mental energy and word energy to control them to the way of self???

ONE WAY???

your personal life experience???

when it comes to principles of FREEDOM, or say GUNS, or FREE SPEECH, or things of this nature, that effect ALL HUMAN THINGS, then one must have forsaken self interest, to drop the self identity, to project oneself into ALL WORDS FROM ALL OTHER'S AS TRUE, more true than one's own, or self will only speak about I???

if you want to see how much "peace" you have, and no fear, as you claim to not have, so need not guns, then see how much you can speak without the self identity???

to speak without inputting ANY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE INTO AN EQUASION???

nothing about self personally at all???

then you will see how much all words are based simply on ONE LIFE???

words of peace, or ways of peace, must include ALL LIVES MUST THEY NOT???

if there is peace, it cannot be peace if it is but peace for one, or some, as this is not yet peace, AS PEACE MUST MAKE PEACE FOR ALL PEACFULLY???

without guns, as you so see and wish, and THIS WILL BECOME, but each must have the FREEDOM, OF FREE WILL, AS JUST AS INTELLIGENT AS SELF, TO CHOOSE IT'S PATH, WITHOUT BEING CALLED HOMOPHOBIC, OR LUNATIC'S, AS THIS IN ITSELF, show you wish, and hope, and have faith unto peace, but peace has not come yet, and if you deem it has, then you restrict yourself from it???

peace see's good in all things, NOT JUST WHAT AGREE WITH ITSELF???

keeping guns is not about fear at all, but FREEDOM???

it is about fear for you???

cars kill and give a false sense of power, and many deem themself as pwerful behind that wheel, and learn as we all do, and it is no different with guns???

peace is having any and all things available to self, AND HAVING WISDOM TO NOT ALLOW ANYTHING TO BECOME A WEAPON OR HARM ANOTHER, NOT EVEN WORDS???

sex can harm many things, gives a false sense of power, and can effect lifelng devastion to another abused, even more so than a gun???

should we deem all children and take away sex as well???

so it is the OPPOSITE DIRECTION TOWARD TRUE PEACE, AND NOT THE 'FEARFUL' MIND THAT SAY "RESTRICTION" IS PEACE???

it is only restriction being taught as most good, which breed no pride in repsonsibiltiy, as rebellion stant in the way, which steal all self power and TRUE PRIDE IN SELF AND OTHER'S???

the more we cry evil, the more evil will be created???

PEACE IS A CHILD IN A ROOM FULL OF EVERY DRUG IN THE WORLD, AND IT HAS NO DESIRE FOR THEM???

WISDOM CREATE THIS???

RESTRICTION CREATE REBELLION, WHICH DESTROY ALL HUMAN LIFE AND DIGNITY AND GOODNESS.

peace

Refuse to own weapons, support crime.

no games...

i love ya man, but read your statement, lol???

if your notion for this was prospered by my post to dragoness, then the words written as a anolgy alone, using her own words alone, was not made clear enough, lol???

you have made it perfectly clear, you are pro-gun, but it is just as much a crime, to deem another, THAT WANTS NO PART OF GUNS, AS SUPPORTING CRIME???

that just dosen't sound like all the other great points i have read in your other posts???

what if it is just "freedom for all to choose as adults"???

see, if you demand ALL PEOPLE ARE BAD THAT DO NOT HAVE GUNS, AND INSIST ALL HAVE A GUN, THEN HOW IS THAT EQUAL FREEDOM???

THEY MUST AS WELL THEN, BE ABLE TO MAKE YOU BAD FOR HAVING ONE, AND HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE YOURS AWAY???

the street must go two ways, not just one way???

if you wish for guns, you must give another freely with open arms the right to not have one???

equal???

equal rights for all???

peace man

if you don't have guns how are you supposed to kill snakes?

No, David you misunderstood me. I must not have been clear enough.

My journey through life is unique to me.

I can only speak from this place, as another's journey is not mine.

Sharing our journeys is what we do.

Sharing our lessons learned is what we do.

If we happen to hit an understanding, that is great but it doesn't have to happen and I am okay with it.

Words only control if the reciever of the words allows the words to conrol them. Personally I cannot control if others allow the control without my going silently through life which is not a possibility for me....lol

From where I stand and I am not alone, Peace in our world will never be if people cannot find the peace within themselves first.

Guns are not peaceful at any level.

We used a hoe on the farm, it works good for rattlers.

read your next to last statement again???

peace must come from WITHIN, so trying to control the OUTSIDE, BY RESTRICTION, CAN NEVER MAKE PEACE???

exactely the point dearest, we are indeed on the same page???

ANYTHING CAN BE "NOT PEACEFUL", SO TO MAKE PEACE, BY CONTROLLING THE OUTSIDE, IS INDEED TRYING TO CONTROL, WHICH MAKE REBELLION, WHICH TURN ALL AND ANYTHING INTO A WEAPON???

the list of weapons of unpeace is UNLIMITED???

because, as you say, "but do not yet live by", peace must come from WITHIN, so if one actually do this, then ITSELF KNOW NO CONTROLLING THE OUTSIDE BY REMOVING UNPEACEFUL THINGS WILL REMOVE THE UNPEACEFUL INCLINATIONS???

FREEDOM IS PEACE, AND IS THE ONLY PEACE, AND IT ONLY BE THE RESTRICTION OF FREEDOM, THAT FIRST CREATED WHAT ONE SEEK TO REMOVE NOW CALLED UNPEACE???

why do you deem it i that does not understand???

if you deem it as i that understand not, then can i as well deem it as you that does not???

nay, i would never accuse you of such, as there is not need, as you wish to make all things like you, so will only accept what is like you???

to try to make all other's live and believe as you do???

this is trying to control other's in every way, lol???

"""only equal does not control to make like itself"""???

ALL THINGS CONTROL, it is ONLY WHY THEY CONTROL, and what it is trying to get you to believe???

nothing speak without a PURPOSE???

IF IT SPEAK, IT WANT SOMEHTING???

HAS TO BE A WANT, TO PROVOKE THE MOUTH TO SPEAK???

if you speak, if you write, have you envoked word, thought, or action from another???

have you envoked A RESPONSE???

then you ENVOKED ANOTHER TO ACTION, so contolled or EFFECTED IT, OR YOU DO NOT SEE NOR KNOW YOUR OWN POWER???

whether anything deny words, or accept them, it makes no difference???

you words are creating other people, and their words create you!!!???

nothing goes in the brain, that DOES NOT ALTER IT???

all WORDS ARE SENDING ENERGY, IT IS YOUR SWORD, AND YOU EITHER ADD MORE GOOD WITH YOUR WORDS, OR YOU TAKE GOOD AWAY???

IF THE WORDS ARE FOR SELF INTEREST, THEN THEY TAKE THE MOST???

IF THEY ARE WITH INTEREST OF OTHER'S AS THE GREATEST GUIDE OF GOOD, AND THRU ALL AS EQUAL BEINGS, THEN THEY ADD???

THERE CAN BE NO IN BETWEEN, OR THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE ARE BROKEN???

all things remain the same, in all essence, for all contants of the universe???

IF I TOUCH YOU, HAVE I CONTROLLED YOU???

YES!!!

I MADE YOU DO "SOMETHING"???

you HAD TO DECIDE???

WHAT TO DO???

I CONTROLLED YOU???

so it is only, WHY DO I TOUCH YOU, that be the QUESTION, NOT THAT NO ONE CONTROL???

IF YOU DO NOT SEE THIS YET, THEN YOU WILL NOT RECOGNIZE WHO IS CONTROLLING YOU, AND HOW???

AND, WHO AND HOW AND WHAT, YOU ARE DOING TO CONTROL AND EFFECTING OTHERS???

the word control envoke NEGATIVE perceptions, but is is ONLY EFFECT???

a blade of grass beside the other is CONTROLLING IT???

one tree beside another effect the OTHER IN ALL WAYS, SO IT IS IN ALL ESSENCE CONTROLLING IT???

REACTION-ACTION???

IT IS THE VERY LAWS OF PHYSICS???

NOTHING TOUCH OR EVEN THINK ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE, AND NOT EFFECT IT???

YOUR VERY THOUGHTS CAN EFFECT ALL OTHER'S, AS ALL BRAINS ARE ELECTROMAGENTICALLY CONTROLLED, SO CONNECTED???

THE SAME IS TRUE FOR THE BRAIN, all brains are beside each other in the earth, just like a huge wheat field, AND EACH ONE EFFECT THE OTHER, JUST AS EACH WHEAT STALK EFFECT THE OTHER???

BUT THEN OF COURSE, WE DON'T KNOW THIS, AND IS WHY THE WORLD IS CREATING MONSTERS AND DOESN'T SEE HOW.

WE ARE CONTROLLING EACH OTHER, WHETHER IT IS SEEN BY ALL YET OR NOT???

ok...

out of energy...

see, you controlled me, as that took a lot of it, lol...

if i said to you...

READ MY WORDS AGAIN!!!

how dare you say i misunderstand!!!

your a loser lunatic controlling *****, and have no good sense at all!!!

ooh...

feel that control, lol???

sure, words DO CONTROL GIRL, AND EACH LAST ONE CREATE THE FATE OF EACH AROUND ALL.

peace out

Having a gun does NOT mean you live in fear, it means you hunt, target shoot or are willing to protect yourself and loved ones if needed.

They also were created to hunt, target shoot and defend ones self or loved ones. To assist in protecting ones life, liberty and/or property.

Criminals just love the thought of citizens not having guns

David...lol

I see said the blind man. I am the blind man by the way...lol

You make your point beautifully.


I have always been conflicted on the gun issue. Having grown up with them, used them, respected them. And to have seen the abuse of them in domestic situations, children shooting themselves and friends and family, brandished for the fear factor, etc....

I know it is not the gun that is the problem. It is the human behind it, or the irresponsible owner of it that allows children to get it, or allows thieves to get it, etc...

So if the human is the problem then we should address the human as the source of control of the threat, right? Mental, emotional, background, etc... need to be reviewed extensively for the responsibility of the wishful gun owner.

But if the people found the inner peace and strength, they would not feel the fear or overcompensation need to carry guns.

So on goes the enigma of me. Respectful of others and their choices in life with a twist...lol

if one is governed by something, than it must have equal power as what govern it???

if your government take ALL THE MONEY, BECAUSE YOU DON'T SPEND IT WISELY, IN THEIR OPINION, IS THAT EQUAL???

to maintain equal, YOU MUST AS WELL BE ABLE TO TAKE YOUR GOVERNMENTS MONEY, if you deem them as not spending it wisely???

that is equal???

IF THE GOVERNMENT OR "ONE POWER" HAS GUNS, THEN YOU AS WELL MUST HAVE THEM, not even so much for protection of PERSONAL SELF, BUT TO MAINTAIN EQUAL POWER???

it is an equal principle???

how do we know how to see equal???

THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE IS BUILT UPON EQUAL???

night is equal to day???

so for day to maintain EQUAL, OR BALANCE OF POWER, IT MUST HAVE NIGHT???

and such promote and support all life on the planet???

so balance of all things within the planet, such as people, or laws, or governing powers, must follow the same, as man is part of nature as well is it not???

animals???

equal is maintained within the animal kingdom, or an eco system???

if one thing is out of balance, it control or effect the next???

so it is most imperative that things are based in such principles, to maintain maximum life for man as well???

yes, it is not missed that the world does not live in equality, but that is what we are fighting for is it not???

it is for equal rights of all???

equal rights for all, is equal then maintained across the board in all things???

if the government has guns, then the people must have guns, for equal and balance is all???

if we say, NUCLEAR BOMBS KILL, WE ARE GOING TO DITCH OURS???

bombs are not peaceful are they???

BUT UNLESS ALL BOMBS ARE REMOVED FROM THE ENTIRE PLANET, ALL OF THEM, TOTAL, THEN THERE WOULD BE DESTRUCTION OF THE PEACFUL FROM THE ONE'S THAT KEEP THEM, IF THEY GOT MAD ONE DAY, LOL???

so we can see, it is EQUAL POWER THE MAINTAIN FREEDOM, EQUAL ARSENAL'S THAT MAINTAIN FREEDOM, UNTIL ALL SUCH THINGS ALL COULD AGREE TO REMOVE, and then all as well welcome being scrutinized to ensure???

these are premises of peace in one nation, or in the whole world???

we are not just us, but we effect the entire globe, and it ourself???

WE ARE A DOT, AND THE REST OF THE WORLD EFFECT ALL WE ARE???

as we do it???

equal must be maintained, or utopian notions destroy all, as utopian wish for all good, but see not one iota how to create it???

utopian can indeed be created, so it is a good hope and faith in, but not without seeing the actual total logistic's in such, and those are all based on the universe itself, and in equal.

peace







if this does not exist, then THAT IS WHAT CREATE WHAT WE NOW ALL SEE AROUND THAT IS GIVING OFF "LESS LIFE SUSTAINING CAPABILITY"???

lots of people killing each other???

all things, pauper to pope, criminal to saint, must be given equal fair treatment, or there is rebellion???

we have long strayed from this, and only getting back to this, can in any way give the best hope for any greater future, or community of common happiness???

Except any criminal who has ever come into contact with me...lol I have no fear of death and never have. They have always ended up on the not so good for them side of the confrontation.

Guns only work if you run into those who fear them.