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| Topic: Guns don't kill, but absence of guns does | |
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the parents need to teach their kids to respect guns and lock them away....plain and simple.
if someone comes into my house to harm me or my family...you can't bet I wouldn't hesitate to do what I need to do |
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Edited by
Winx
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Mon 04/20/09 05:22 AM
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I refuse to own a gun. Refuse to own weapons, support crime. That comment is totally silly. |
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if you don't have guns how are you supposed to kill snakes? I live in the city. There are no snakes there. lol |
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Criminals just love the thought of citizens not having guns They don't know who has a gun and who does not. |
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Edited by
smiless
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Mon 04/20/09 05:58 AM
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It seems that guns can save lives also. Imagine your child being raped at the moment and you so happen to be there with a gun. Would you use it to save your child from a terrible moment?
What makes people use guns in the first place. Is it the many hollywood movies that trigger the adrenaline to be one of those guys that jumps over trash cans over a wall onto a car and shoots 5 people before preventing the man who was about to trigger a bomb? Is it the outfits and the look that tells the mind "Wow I wish I was like him?" Is it the power at the moment knowing that the person before you is at mercy for you have the upperhand? Is it simply the drugs or alchohol that you have in your system that made you sensitive at the moment to do such a bad thing as take a life away from the person. The problem is the war on drugs and weapon control is not winning. What are the alternatives to ensure less crime in this country. If you look at America on crime compared to other industrialized countries one can only shake their head at the thought that this country has a population of violent people. What is the ultimate solution in ensuring a future for our children concerning this problem? Is there a solution at all? If there is what could one do to ensure it can be brought forth? As far as I am concerned there is only alot of hot air coming out of mouths, but no reflection on how to tackle the problem. In the end what will happen? Will it be nothing? Will people continue to use guns illegally or not taking life at will. It is sad part of the human mind that has haunted us of our dilemas in whatever we believe in to make it justified to take a life away from someone no matter what the cause is. Why do we get there in the first place? Do some research on this topic. It would be interesting to see which country in the world has the least amount of crime, gun shot deaths, and figure out what that government does to ensure that this doesn't happen. What are their secrets, or is it just pure luck? Post some statistics and study what can be done. Perhaps you will come with a real solution and can actually put it in process to help save lives! Good luck on the research and solution if you do take it to heart. |
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Edited by
Atlantis75
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Mon 04/20/09 06:30 AM
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Criminals just love the thought of citizens not having guns They don't know who has a gun and who does not. "Gun free zones" such as Universities, schools, state or local governmental buildings they sure do. Example ---> Virginia Tech or the more recent immigration office attack. 2-3 armed guards are incapable of defending places with high traffic and numerous people. (I'm not even gonna mention the fact, that not even the university guards were armed) Any anti-gun legislation and gun ban produces more and more "gun free zones", making the place to be a perfect place for predators not worry about any resistance or danger of being shot. Virginia Tech or the Columbine school massacre would have not happened if there are law-abiding concealed weapon owning students would have been around and put a quick stop to those madman, I'm not even gonna mention 911, where the airplane passengers and the entire crew were hijacked with box cutters. Imagine if the pilots or the crew were carrying concealed weapons, we might not be having a tragedy to talk about today or even wars and foreign policy twisted out and have millions suffer for the consequences. |
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Edited by
Atlantis75
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Mon 04/20/09 06:43 AM
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Gun Ownership at All-Time High, Violent Crime Near 30-Year Low
Over the last two decades, many "gun control" laws have been eliminated or made less restrictive at the federal, state, and local levels. Numbers of privately-owned guns and Right-to-Carry states have risen to all-time highs. Every step of the way, "gun control" groups predicted violent crime would increase. Instead, violent crime decreased dramatically. Less "Gun Control": The Brady Act’s handgun waiting period expired in 1998, in favor of the NRA-supported National Instant Check System. Some states thereafter eliminated waiting periods or purchase permit requirements. The federal "assault weapon" ban expired in 2004. Since 1987, 30 states have eliminated prohibitory or restrictive carry laws, in favor of Right-to-Carry (RTC) laws; there are now 40 RTC states. All states have hunter protection laws, 46 have range protection laws, 47 prohibit local jurisdictions from imposing gun laws more restrictive than state law, 44 protect the right to arms in their constitutions, and Congress and 33 states have prohibited frivolous lawsuits against the firearm industry.1 Studies by or for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the Library of Congress, the National Institute of Justice, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no evidence that "gun control" reduces crime.2 More Guns: The number of new guns rises by about 4.5 million every year.3 There are 250+ million privately-owned firearms in the United States.4 Less Violent Crime: Since 1991, the nation’s total violent crime rate is down 38 percent. (Murder is down 43 percent; rape, 29 percent; robbery, 46 percent; and aggravated assault, 35 percent.) Violent crime dropped every year from 1991-2004, to a 30-year low; increased slightly in 2005 and 2006; and decreased to nearly the 2004 level in 2007. Every year since 2002, the violent crime rate has been lower than anytime since 1974. Every year since 1999, the murder rate has been lower than anytime since 1966. States with RTC laws, compared to the rest of the country, have lower violent crime rates on average: total violent crime by 24 percent, murder, 28 percent; robbery, 50 percent; and aggravated assault, 11 percent.5 http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=206&issue=007 Did You Know
The annual number of accidental gun deaths among children has declined 89% since 1975. Today, the odds against a child dying in a gun accident are a million to one. Seventy-eight times as many children die in accidents involving or due to motor vehicles, suffocation, drowning, fire, bicycles and falls. (National Center for Health Statistics) Gun Laws, Culture, Justice & Crime In Foreign Countries England -- Licenses have been required for rifles and handguns since 1920, and for shotguns since 1967. A decade ago semi-automatic and pump-action center-fire rifles, and all handguns except single- shot .22s, were prohibited. The .22s were banned in 1997. Shotguns must be registered and semi-automatic shotguns that can hold more than two shells must be licensed. Despite a near ban on private ownership of firearms, "English crime rates as measured in both victim surveys and police statistics have all risen since 1981. . . . In 1995 the English robbery rate was 1.4 times higher than America`s. . . . the English assault rate was more than double America`s." All told, "Whether measured by surveys of crime victims or by police statistics, serious crime rates are not generally higher in the United States than England." (Bureau of Justice Statistics, "Crime and Justice in the United States and in England and in Wales, 1981-1996," 10/98.) An English doctor is suspected of murdering more than 200 people, many times the number killed in the gun-related crimes used to justify the most recent restrictions. "A June 2000 CBS News report proclaimed Great Britain `one of the most violent urban societies in the Western world.` Declared Dan Rather: `This summer, thousands of Americans will travel to Britain expecting a civilized island free from crime and ugliness. . . (But now) the U.K. has a crime problem . . . worse than ours.`" (David Kopel, Paul Gallant, and Joanne Eisen, "Britain: From Bad to Worse," America`s First Freedom, 3/01, p. 26.) Street crime increased 47% between 1999 and 2000 (John Steele, "Crime on streets of London doubles," London Daily Telegraph, Feb. 29, 2000.) See also www.2ndlawlib.org/journals/okslip.html, www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment071800c.html, and www.nraila.org/research/19990716-BillofRightsCivilRights-030.html. Canada -- A 1934 law required registration of handguns. A 1977 law (Bill C-51) required a "Firearms Acquisition Certificate" for acquiring a firearm, eliminated protection of property as a reason for acquiring a handgun, and required registration of "restricted weapons," defined to include semi- automatic rifles legislatively attacked in this country under the slang and confusing misnomer, "assault weapon." The 1995 Canadian Firearms Act (C-68) prohibited compact handguns and all handguns in .32 or .25 caliber -- half of privately owned handguns. It required all gun owners to be licensed by Jan. 1, 2000, and to register all rifles and shotguns by Jan. 1, 2003. C-68 broadened the police powers of "search and seizure" and allowed the police to enter homes without search warrants, to "inspect" gun storage and look for unregistered guns. Canada has no American "Fifth Amendment;" C-68 requires suspected gun owners to testify against themselves. Because armed self-defense is considered inappropriate by the government, "Prohibited Weapons Orders" have prohibited private possession and use of Mace and similar, non-firearm means of protection. (For more information, see www.cfc- ccaf.gc.ca and www.nraila.org/research/20010215-InternationalGunControl-001.shtml. From 1978 to 1988, Canada`s burglary rate increased 25%, surpassing the U.S. rate. Half of burglaries in Canada are of occupied homes, compared to only 10% in the U.S. From 1976 to 1980, ethnically and economically similar areas of the U.S. and Canada had virtually identical homicide rates, despite significantly different firearm laws. See also www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel120700.shtml |
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if you don't have guns how are you supposed to kill snakes? I live in the city. There are no snakes there. lol I think city folks shouldn't have guns |
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if you don't have guns how are you supposed to kill snakes? I live in the city. There are no snakes there. lol I think city folks shouldn't have guns Shop and business owners/crew, Hotel doorman, car salesmen, they should be all armed. And trust me, many are. |
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if you don't have guns how are you supposed to kill snakes? We used a hoe on the farm, it works good for rattlers. when hoes are outlawed only outlaws will have hoes |
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David...lol I see said the blind man. I am the blind man by the way...lol You make your point beautifully. I have always been conflicted on the gun issue. Having grown up with them, used them, respected them. And to have seen the abuse of them in domestic situations, children shooting themselves and friends and family, brandished for the fear factor, etc.... I know it is not the gun that is the problem. It is the human behind it, or the irresponsible owner of it that allows children to get it, or allows thieves to get it, etc... So if the human is the problem then we should address the human as the source of control of the threat, right? Mental, emotional, background, etc... need to be reviewed extensively for the responsibility of the wishful gun owner. But if the people found the inner peace and strength, they would not feel the fear or overcompensation need to carry guns. So on goes the enigma of me. Respectful of others and their choices in life with a twist...lol  
you are precious and honest, allbeit with a twist, lol. remove the twist, and find everlasting peace and no fear of fear alone guide, as to proclaim one has no fear, would indeed mean one indeed be a sociopath, lol??? to wish or want for no fear, is to but wish for no wisdom??? wisdom is but processing each feeling of self as good, which one cannot do unless it first do this for all things outside, then when do this for all outside, and each emotion is not seen as either both as good, then one have the eternal keys to tell how to solve all things and what next to do??? fear is equal to love, and to think not one emotion is either good or bad, is to live through peace and without any twist??? the same things in life keep repeating, the same learning but just in different situations, so to keep peace inside, one just need to know it never know or finds peace, or see anything old in self as passed away, or as done, as all is still existing, and then, the heart just see's all things through peace, which is but seeing how all are growing, and passing thru the same??? peace to peace girl |
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if We Just Kill all the Criminals Eventually We'll Run out of em 
Haha, who determines who a criminal is, the vigilante? Not in my world will that happen. Vigilante can base their determination on anything they want as too who should die. No patriotic American should stand for that. 
So Now I'm Unpatriotic? I Think ALL Patriotic Americans Should Not Tolerate in the Slightest ANY Crime, in Fact We Should Bring Back Tar and Feathers and the Like
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if you don't have guns how are you supposed to kill snakes? I live in the city. There are no snakes there. lol I think city folks shouldn't have guns Many people in the city feel that way too. lol |
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if you don't have guns how are you supposed to kill snakes? We used a hoe on the farm, it works good for rattlers. when hoes are outlawed only outlaws will have hoes Mah' sistah wuz a Ho 'n she didn't want nuttin' ta' do wid rattlers. |
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In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of "Wild West" showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender. The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law. Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189. By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city's crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township's crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000. This was not what some predicted. Some have suggested Kennesaw would soon become a place where routine disagreements between neighbors would be settled in shootouts. The Washington Post mocked Kennesaw as "the brave little city … soon to be pistol-packing capital of the world." The Reuters story went on to report: "Since the Virginia Tech shootings, some conservative U.S. talk show hosts have rejected attempts to link the massacre to the availability of guns, arguing that had students been allowed to carry weapons on campus someone might have been able to shoot the killer." Anyone is up on crime statistic in Washington. D.C. ? I heard this was proven not accurate after the fact. For one the "law" is not enforced, it is symbolic. Second the crime rates in these towns was not high before they enacted these psuedo laws. Where are you getting your info? |
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Mon 04/20/09 12:06 PM
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According to my sociology textbook people, to include children, are almost twice as likely to die from drowning in a pool than being shot by a gun. This includes accidents, and crimes. Where's the pool ban?
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I agree with most of this thread but i would have borken that ruling right away lol
I will never own or use a gun. |
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www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf the Above Will Take You to the CDC's Site and as of 2006 the #1 Cause of Death is Heart Disease and Assaults (Homiceides) Non Specific About Weapon Used Comes in at #15. |
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Mon 04/20/09 02:35 PM
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Anti gunners suck in my opinion. Guess they think the police can protect them from car jackings and home invasions and such. We all have the right to protect ourselves and our loved ones. Cops only respond after a crime is committed. The anti gunners just can't wrap their little minds around the fact that it only hurts law abiding citizens, a criminal is still going to have a gun, they don't give a chit about the law. want my guns, come and get 'em  
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