It would be interesting how many Muslims would convert to Christianity if they didn't have a gun to their head or a boot against their neck.I think it is interesting that all the other religious prophets died and was buried.But Jesus never died and his grave is empty!Dispite what everyone believes every knee will bow before Jesus in the end!

I also think it's interesting you never have Christians posting topics asking Mulsims,Aethist,Buddists,or other religions questions.We know we have the only true religion and we don't waste our time debating what we know is not true.Interesting how many people from other religions question the Christians on a daily basis.

Where is the proof that Jesus did this? In the bible? Do you really think that is proof?

Grammer?You want to check grammer go be a english teacher.I could care less if I spell right or if my grammer sucks.It's a blog treat it like one.

I just told you there were millions of witness and hundreds of books written.Yes I think that is proof.Where is your proof he didn't exist?I can also promise you that there is no respectable scholar,teacher,or professor that will question whether Jesus existed.Even the time (AD-BC) is based on Before Christ.

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Where was it i said that Jesus didnt exist?

This thread is about proof. You say he did exist, so you are the one with the burden of proving your statement. you have offered several opinions, but none that constitute actual proof. Books? Schmooks.

Jesus may well have existed. But the thing i doubt the most, is that he was the son of 'God', and did the things that the bible said he did.

I look forward to seeing Abra pick your claims to peices.

I don't even bother to read what Abra says.Nor do I reply to what he says.There is a few members that I always skip over replies even if it is a response to mine because it is a waste of time debating them.

Before I go I want the un believers to think about this.Is love a real person?Is hate a real person?If I was to say to you "show me proof that love is a real person" you could not do it.Yet you are not going to deny that love exists.You know it because it is something you feel.It would be impossible to show a un believer proof that you feel love since you can't prove it exists.You can say you feel it and give testimony but if he wanted proof what would you do.It is the same with Christianity.It is something we feel and we continue to believe not out of fear or judgement but because we feel God working through us.

(conversations like this are what drove me away from christianity in my youth)


back to the point - there's as much proof that jesus existed as there is proof that mohammed existed.

I tried for many years to feel the love of god working through me.

Through the seven rapes i went through i never felt him, when i was relearning how to walk after almost being killed by a car i never felt him, coping with the death of my grandmother i never felt it.

I kept hearing people talk about the feeling of love they get from god and jesus, well I have never felt it. I drove myself absolutely nuts trying to feel what other people felt to the point of attempting suicide because my life was awful and once i stopped trying to find this love that people talk about, stopped forcing myself to believe in something that i could not, as i have never been one to go on blind faith, I actually got better.

I am not perfect and still suffer from chronic depression but now that i don't worry about having religion, I find that i am doing better than I ever have.

I stopped believing in santa and all those other things as well by the time I was 7.

Proof that love is real: I have that, when i was hit by the car my mother stayed at me bedside for the entire 3 months I was in a coma and she stayed with me while i relearned how to walk. Need more proof about love?

When i was raped 7 times, my mother stood by me through it all and was there when i woke from nightmares.

If that isn't proof enough that love is there without it being a person I don't know what is.

My final bit on proof about love: My best friend and roommate is protestant and I'm an aetheist. As far as he is concerned I am his best friend and it doesn't bother him in the least that i do not believe in God. We have been best friends for 18 years and we would do anything for each other (within reason lol)

I am not surprised considering that Abra argues his points with facts that cannot possibly be refuted.

Personally, i know next to nothing about religion in general, all i have is common sense. You have obviously studied Christianity in a much greater detail than myself, but you still are unable to give me any logical answers as to why my opinions are wrong. Thats because common sense cannot be argued with. Put common sense with Abra's knowledge, and you have absolutely no chance of saying anything which makes any sense your own opinions and beliefs.

Keep the faith, its ALL you have.

Oct. 1, 2008 -- A team of scientists led by renowned French marine archaeologist Franck Goddio recently announced that they have found a bowl, dating to between the late 2nd century B.C. and the early 1st century A.D., that, according to an expert epigrapher, could be engraved with the world's first known reference to Christ.
If the word "Christ" refers to the Biblical Jesus Christ, as is speculated, then the discovery may provide evidence that Christianity and paganism at times intertwined in the ancient world.
The full engraving on the bowl reads, "DIA CHRSTOU O GOISTAIS," which has been interpreted by French epigrapher and professor emeritus Andre Bernand as meaning either, "by Christ the magician" or "the magician by Christ."
"It could very well be a reference to Jesus Christ, in that he was once the primary exponent of white magic," Goddio, co-founder of the Oxford Center of Maritime Archaeology, said.
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He and his colleagues found the object during an excavation of the underwater ruins of Alexandria's ancient great harbor. The Egyptian site also includes the now submerged island of Antirhodos, where Cleopatra's palace may have been located.
Egyptologist David Fabre, a member of the European Institute of Submarine Archaeology, thinks a "magus" could have practiced fortune-telling rituals using the bowl. The Book of Mathew in the Bible refers to "wisemen," or Magi, believed to have been prevalent in the ancient world.
According to Fabre, the bowl is also very similar to one depicted in two early Egyptian earthenware statuettes that are thought to show a soothsaying ritual.
"It has been known in Mesopotamia probably since the 3rd millennium B.C.," Fabre said. "The soothsayer interprets the forms taken by the oil poured into a cup of water in an interpretation guided by manuals."
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"This doesn’t mean that there aren’t sources outside the Bible which refer to Jesus. There are. He’s referred to in pagan, Jewish, and Christian writings outside the New Testament. The Jewish historian Josephus is especially interesting. In the pages of his works you can read about New Testament people like the high priests Annas and Caiaphas, the Roman governor Pontius Pilate, King Herod, John the Baptist, even Jesus himself and his brother James. There have also been interesting archaeological discoveries as well bearing on the gospels. For example, in 1961 the first archaeological evidence concerning Pilate was unearthed in the town of Caesarea; it was an inscription of a dedication bearing Pilate’s name and title. Even more recently, in 1990 the actual tomb of Caiaphas, the high priest who presided over Jesus’s trial, was discovered south of Jerusalem. Indeed, the tomb beneath the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem is in all probability the tomb in which Jesus himself was laid by Joseph of Arimathea following the crucifixion. According to Luke Johnson, a New Testament scholar at Emory University,

Even the most critical historian can confidently assert that a Jew named Jesus worked as a teacher and wonder-worker in Palestine during the reign of Tiberius, was executed by crucifixion under the prefect Pontius Pilate and continued to have followers after his death."

"Fact #1: After his crucifixion, Jesus was buried by Joseph of Arimathea in the tomb. This fact is highly significant because it means that the location of Jesus’s tomb was known to Jew and Christian alike. In that case it becomes inexplicable how belief in his resurrection could arise and flourish in the face of a tomb containing his corpse. According to the late John A. T. Robinson of Cambridge University, the honorable burial of Jesus is one of "the earliest and best-attested facts about Jesus.""

"Fact #2: On the Sunday morning following the crucifixion, the tomb of Jesus was found empty by a group of his women followers. According to Jakob Kremer, an Austrian specialist on the resurrection, "By far most exegetes hold firmly to the reliability of the biblical statements concerning the empty tomb."{16} As D. H. van Daalen points out, "It is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions.""

"Fact #3: On multiple occasions and under various circumstances, different individuals and groups of people experienced appearances of Jesus alive from the dead. This is a fact that is almost universally acknowledged among New Testament scholars today. Even Gert Lüdemann, perhaps the most prominent current critic of the resurrection, admits, "It may be taken as historically certain that Peter and the disciples had experiences after Jesus’s death in which Jesus appeared to them as the risen Christ.""

Finally, fact #4: The original disciples believed that Jesus was risen from the dead despite their having every reason not to. Despite having every predisposition to the contrary, it is an undeniable fact of history that the original disciples believed in, proclaimed, and were willing to go to their deaths for the fact of Jesus’s resurrection. C. F. D. Moule of Cambridge University concludes that we have here a belief which nothing in terms of prior historical influences can account for--apart from the resurrection itself.{19}

What proof does one really need...


is there proof of Sasquatch? Yowies?


Some poor guy born, and raised by commoners, had a pragmatic gentle insight into how people could have a better time on this earth...


in the age of mysticism...it was probably not such a great idea to be so different.....villified by the mystics and power mongers of the time, adolated and idolised and immortalised by the downtrodden, the rejects of society....until they thought he could walk on water....


poor bastard....it seems 2009 years after his death....people still dont get his ideas.

What is a Yowies?

Apparently, people need a lot of proof for something they are supposed to take on faith; for instance the ossuary spoken of earlier was found to have the "brother of Jesus" part to be a recent addition to a text. Unfortunately, much of this faked proof, like the additions to Josephus, etc. only make non-believers more disinterested and often challenges believers faith when it is discovered to be hookum.

"Interview With The Vampire" was historically accurate. As was "Frankenstein", "Dracula", and "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde".