Topic: Religion = Evolution
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Sat 04/11/09 10:29 AM


The first, of course. But he can not control the second, of which there is an absolute majority.
So its foolish to understand that the majority are delusional?

lol your a trip, by your own definition you are calling yourself a fool, or delusional.


May-be, by your definition. I wouldn't want you to apply something to me as "my own definition". I haven't said that the understanding is foolish. My point was that a lot of people understand that there is no god. However, I hold, on the other hand, that trying to overturn the religious beliefs that there is god, is foolish action.

Do you see the distinction I am trying to make? Everyone understands that there is no god. The bible tells us there is no god. It is clear to us from our own religious books. It is implied, not said. What is said is that there will be consequences for bad actions, imposed by god, who can reach us anywhere, anytime. The only one who does not see the implication that there is no god, is the one who does not need to know that there is no judgment. He doesn't need to know, because he is searching for a "meaning" of life outside of life. This tells us that he sees no meaning in life itself. If he doesn't find a meaning that will make the life meaningful, then he will act in life as if life was nothing. And so, you could accuse me of selectivism on this point, because I support the principle that the only ones that need to know are the ones that are able to find it out on their own.

Now, what has this to do with lying or not lying? I am not going around and making anyone believe that there is god... And I know there isn't any deities. Should I embark on bringing this to everyone? I don't believe I should. And, while I wouldn't move a finger to stop someone who does try to make what is evident into what is explicit, I will certainly call the act foolish.

You seem to think that there is some sort of dichotomy between knowing the truth and admitting the truth. There is not. Knowing the truth and searching for it is the quest for understanding of one's reality. Admitting and propagating the truth is the quest of changing the reality. While I myself, on a similar quest, I've chosen it to better my own conditions, not to worsen them.

As an analogy, it is one thing to know there is a smell, and that smell leaves a track. It is quite another to not hide that track from one's enemies and wild basts, allowing them to come where one rests. This is a clear example of how making the truth explicit can be foolish. On the other hand, teaching those truths to one children is not foolish. With your dichotomy, you should then have a problem either leaving your tracks visible or then keeping your children in ignorance.

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Sat 04/11/09 10:01 PM

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Mon 04/13/09 03:35 PM
nogames, I am not sure you would be able to spot a coherent thought if it hit you in the face.

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Tue 04/14/09 08:31 AM


"Religion of Evolution" would be the appropiate term for it...

I assume you are talking about "Creationist Religion"?

(All 3 Major Religions... Judasim, Christianity and Islam are "Creationist Religions"...)


Evolution is promulgated strictly as an ideology, and has never been shown to be anything other than a "Theory"...

Not one "Missing Link" has ever been provided to "Prove" Evolution beyond a shadow of a doubt.

"Creationist Religion" and "Evolution" aren't compatible...noway

There is "Diversification" within the varied Species, but that IS NOT evolution.




:smile: Evolution is based in scientific theory that can be independently verified. :smile: That is the difference. :smile: That other stuff is just fairy tales with no evidence.:smile:



bigsmile Charles Darwin was a scientist and not a theologian.glasses
darwin a scientist?
he went to bible college and after that he studied birds for five years.have you ever actually read anything on this nutcasefrustrated

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Tue 04/14/09 07:00 PM
Evolution is science, its only the unifying theory of biology. Its only the most important theory in all of biology.

Sad sad creationists.

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Wed 04/15/09 02:47 AM
. . . HOLD ON TO YOUR HATS, ladies & gentlemen:
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Religion had been passed down through the ages -- each one revising & editing the previous stories (especially when copied manually, or from the words of the story-tellers…) And, as such, might’ve undergone much changes(?)

I suppose, even slightly evolved prehistoric “people” – X for short, or Y, if you prefer -- (possessing some primitive faculties of Observation) might’ve noticed the regularity of events that often occurred as the result of their desires/wishes:
I THIRSTY! – vu-ala: it starts to rain, filling the “cups” with water…
I HUNGRY! -- … look around: the trees are full of frits…
Eventually, they’d learnt to be provident and save food & water for the period when those disappear (for some unknown reason) – especially when it gets cold and the sky starts crying with tears (i.e.rain)… But when those supplies get destroyed – either by natural disaster, or another not-so-prudent tribe – the X would go hungry, roaming the woods in search of food, thinking: “Oh, if only I could find something to eat…” (sorry, I’ve forgotten the prehistoric dialect, LOL) …In desperation, he would raise the hands (fists clenched) and cry out: I THIRSTY! I HUNGRY! Somebody HELP ME!!!
(…that’s been the 1st PRAYER!) And, sometimes due to the pure coincidence, the wind would blow – the trees begin to swing, dropping down the out of reach fruits…
And, eventually, the X have observed the regularity:
GO TO THE WOODS, STAND UNDER THE TREE, STRETCH YOUR HANDS UP, AND PRONOUNCE A SUPPLICATION (addressed to Whatever)… And your prayer will be fulfilled!!!
(In time, the "Whatever" has evolved into the personified being…)
*** That, in essence, is how the pagan religion has been born! . . . . . *******************************

Another prehistoric tribe (Y) which lived by the sea, have prayed to a different God – to send them fish… And both tribes had often attacked each other – because they considered each other as pagan! (That tradition has been carried throughout the history! . .)
In the midst of it all, there appeared a man, claiming to be the son of God, who’s proclaimed: “Stop this paganism! GOD IS ONE!!!”
(hence, the birth of Christianity!)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ____________________________________
In essence, the religion remains a DOGMA – a doctrine accepted as true without questions!
EVOLUTION, on the other hand, is a scientific theory – seemingly credible and generally accepted… But still JUST A THEORY nonetheless * * *

Our comprehension of the World still depends to the great degree upon the level of our development that often undergoes revisions and modifications – just as we laugh at the scientists of the middle ages, our 4th-5th generation descendants might laugh at our views… And, who knows, I wouldn’t be surprised if, some day, it would be discovered that Adam & Eve have been planted on this Earth from the outer space . . . (the seed)

P.S. Even a deeply religious person, as Darwin, couldn’t defy the power of observing the regularities of the species’ evolvement – hence the Theory of Evolution which, from his point of view, could co-exist with the “Fact” of Creation!

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Wed 04/15/09 08:09 AM

Evolution is science, its only the unifying theory of biology. Its only the most important theory in all of biology.

Sad sad creationists.

evolution is just a theory not testable science
that's why it's a religion deity or not you have to believe it happened because there's NO PROOF what so ever!!!!!!
blind by your own bias

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Wed 04/15/09 02:48 PM


Evolution is science, its only the unifying theory of biology. Its only the most important theory in all of biology.

Sad sad creationists.

evolution is just a theory not testable science
that's why it's a religion deity or not you have to believe it happened because there's NO PROOF what so ever!!!!!!
blind by your own bias


Says one of the people on here who refuses to belief the mountains of evidence for it.
And, by the way, there is more evidence for Evolution, than for your God, yet you have no problem believing that little fairy tale..

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Wed 04/15/09 09:13 PM
* * * RELAX, PLEASE, THIS IS JUST A SUSPICION! * * *
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Imagine that the confirmation of the Creation -- through Adam & Eve -- the names of the astronauts who's had to perform an emergency landing on Earth -- has really been discovered!!!
_____________________ THEN
HOW MUCH WILL IT COST REVISING EVERYTHING? ? ? ! ! !

Sometimes, its cheaper to keep your mouth shut (and maintain the Status Quo intact) than making public an essentially useless discovery which might result in the inconcievable consequences. . .

Thus, rather than ruining everything in an instance, the Humanity slowly gets intoduced to the prepostorous idea!...

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Fri 04/17/09 10:47 PM


Evolution is science, its only the unifying theory of biology. Its only the most important theory in all of biology.

Sad sad creationists.

evolution is just a theory not testable science
that's why it's a religion deity or not you have to believe it happened because there's NO PROOF what so ever!!!!!!
blind by your own bias



laugh laugh laugh laugh

Its the old evolution is "just a theory" argument.laugh rofl

That's so funny.

So then you believe in the Bible? Why? I(t's not even a theory! Its a fable and a fraud.)

Do you feel conflicted by facts?






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Fri 04/17/09 10:52 PM


Yes and I dont think the Theory of Evolution really interferes with anyone's beliefs. Perhaps only 2.2 of the worlds' population. I dont know though. Im just assuming it only conflicts with those that want to believe that we "poof" just magically arrived on this planet all pre-fabbed and such. The whole "common ancestor" idea is just too intimidating for some reason and it leaves us vulnerable to the possibility of extinction like any other animal.



That friggin' does it... I'm taking off the gloves. And why shouldn't the theory of evolution interfere with anyone's belief? Why are we walking on egg shells around the religious institutions that for milleniums have kept us in the dark? Do we not have enough evidence to disprove this whole fairy tale and make belief God and Satan, heaven and hell fables? This is not a joke... Religion causes nothing but harm to mankind. It's poison and has slowed down our progress as a whole. It was thousands of years ago... ok? We didn't know any better... Isn't time to move on? Can't we be good and have morals without having to fear eternal damnation and the fiery pits of hell? And that fear of "commit a sin and go to hell" never worked. People have killed in the name of their God ever since man created God in his own image... Can't we just admit it's time to put God and Satan to rest? Let's have a funeral for them and bury them for good...
Imagine a peaceful planet void of religions...
Peace out!


Amen to that! drinker :banana:

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Fri 04/17/09 11:10 PM
Ok so how did God create? Magic????

Maybe there is a science to it, um probably.

Let's just keep on guessing for a few thousand years, maybe we'll figure it out, but in order to do that, 'God' must be defined in every attempt.


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Fri 04/17/09 11:19 PM

Ok so how did God create? Magic????

Maybe there is a science to it, um probably.

Let's just keep on guessing for a few thousand years, maybe we'll figure it out, but in order to do that, 'God' must be defined in every attempt.



I asked that very same question to all takers under the assumption that "GOD" did exist and got no replies.

You must first define "GOD."

Then, if that is done to your satisfaction (not mine) then describe HOW God created everything.... exactly.

No takers.

So evolution is "just a theory??" ... that a lot better than nothing, and it ain't much.


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Fri 04/17/09 11:52 PM



I asked that very same question to all takers under the assumption that "GOD" did exist and got no replies.

You must first define "GOD."

Then, if that is done to your satisfaction (not mine) then describe HOW God created everything.... exactly.

No takers.

So evolution is "just a theory??" ... that a lot better than nothing, and it ain't much.





Yeah, it's hard for one to define creation based on a being that defies explanation. It is a worthy goal, that is if anybody was ever up to the challenge. It requires an open mind, however that is hard to accomplish when you're constantly being told what to think by your religion.

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Sun 04/19/09 11:07 AM



"Religion of Evolution" would be the appropiate term for it...

I assume you are talking about "Creationist Religion"?

(All 3 Major Religions... Judasim, Christianity and Islam are "Creationist Religions"...)


Evolution is promulgated strictly as an ideology, and has never been shown to be anything other than a "Theory"...

Not one "Missing Link" has ever been provided to "Prove" Evolution beyond a shadow of a doubt.

"Creationist Religion" and "Evolution" aren't compatible...noway

There is "Diversification" within the varied Species, but that IS NOT evolution.




:smile: Evolution is based in scientific theory that can be independently verified. :smile: That is the difference. :smile: That other stuff is just fairy tales with no evidence.:smile:



bigsmile Charles Darwin was a scientist and not a theologian.glasses
darwin a scientist?
he went to bible college and after that he studied birds for five years.have you ever actually read anything on this nutcasefrustrated
huh whut???laugh

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Sun 04/19/09 01:04 PM



"Religion of Evolution" would be the appropiate term for it...

I assume you are talking about "Creationist Religion"?

(All 3 Major Religions... Judasim, Christianity and Islam are "Creationist Religions"...)


Evolution is promulgated strictly as an ideology, and has never been shown to be anything other than a "Theory"...

Not one "Missing Link" has ever been provided to "Prove" Evolution beyond a shadow of a doubt.

"Creationist Religion" and "Evolution" aren't compatible...noway

There is "Diversification" within the varied Species, but that IS NOT evolution.




:smile: Evolution is based in scientific theory that can be independently verified. :smile: That is the difference. :smile: That other stuff is just fairy tales with no evidence.:smile:



bigsmile Charles Darwin was a scientist and not a theologian.glasses
darwin a scientist?
he went to bible college and after that he studied birds for five years.have you ever actually read anything on this nutcasefrustrated
glasses Charles Robert Darwin was a naturalist who proposed that all living creatures are related by common ancestors.glasses Charles Darwin was born in England in 1809 and died in 1882. glasses Darwin was a member of the Royal Geographical Society.glasses His Alma Mater was the Univerity of Edinburgh and the University of Cambridge.glasses His academic advisors were Adam Sedgwick and John Stevens Henslow.glassesHis best known works were the "Voyage of the Beagle","On The Origin Of Species" and his theory of Natural Selection.glasses He won several major awards in his lifetime.glasses The Royal Medal in 1853,the Wallaston Medal in 1859,and the Copley Medal in 1864.glasses One of his major influences was Charles Lyell, and he in turned heavily influenced Thomas Henry Huxley and George John Romanes.glasses He was a member of the Church of England although his family had a Unitarian background,and he is known to have embraced Agnosticism after 1851glasses

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Sun 04/19/09 04:30 PM
darwin a scientist?
he went to bible college and after that he studied birds for five years.have you ever actually read anything on this nutcase


So let me get this straight, when one of those "bible colleges" gives rise to a prominent opponent to Evolution, it's a good school, but when it could have possibly given rise to the man who came up with the Scientific Theory(you know, the kind that uses facts) of Evolution, you see it has the rest of us see it on a normal day?

laugh laugh laugh rofl rofl

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 04/23/09 11:29 PM
glasses Charles Robert Darwin was a naturalist who proposed that all living creatures are related by common ancestors.glassesCharles Darwin was born in England in 1809 and died in 1882.glassesDarwin was a member of the Royal Geographical Society.glassesHis Alma Mater was the Univerity of Edinburgh and the University of Cambridge.glassesHis academic advisors were Adam Sedgwick and John Stevens Henslow.glassesHis best known works were the "Voyage of the Beagle","On The Origin Of Species" and his theory of Natural Selection.glassesHe won several major awards in his lifetime.glassesThe Royal Medal in 1853,the Wallaston Medal in 1859,and the Copley Medal in 1864.glassesOne of his major influences was Charles Lyell, and he in turned heavily influenced Thomas Henry Huxley and George John Romanes.glassesHe was a member of the Church of England although his family had a Unitarian background,and he is known to have embraced Agnosticism after 1851glasses

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Fri 04/24/09 01:01 AM
Edited by MahanMahan on Fri 04/24/09 01:20 AM
Ya'll leave Darwin alone now, you hear?
I get as offended when the creationists try to discredit Darwin, as they would get offended when I refer to Jesus as a bastard child of a prostitute woman.

Darwin believed in the Bible, and the whole creationist ideology. He didn't intentionally set out to discredit and disprove religion and the creationist theories, he accidentally stumbled upon his findings. If he hadn't someone eventually would have. Sure, he had a hard time there for a while looking at evidence of evolution and finding it at odds with stories and fables of creation. But in the end, he had to come to accept his discoveries as facts and thus, became an agnostic...

Kinda off the subject, but Jimmy Carter, while running for President in the mid 70's, ran into a similar dilemma! He was a devout Christian... and one of his campaign promises was to get to the bottom of the UFO phenomenon. Once he became President, he walks into the Pentagon in late January 1977, and after being let in on he truth about UFOs and the secrets the government has been keeping, he walks out literally in tears and to this day will not make a comment or answer a question on the subject of extra terrestrial life. Just my humble opinion, but perhaps his debriefing by the CIA and the Pentagon shattered all his previous beliefs on the origin of life and the existence of God of the Christian faith...

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Fri 04/24/09 07:02 AM
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As an analogy, it is one thing to know there is a smell, and that smell leaves a track. It is quite another to not hide that track from one's enemies and wild basts, allowing them to come where one rests. This is a clear example of how making the truth explicit can be foolish. On the other hand, teaching those truths to one children is not foolish. With your dichotomy, you should then have a problem either leaving your tracks visible or then keeping your children in ignorance.


Well said.

Back to the original question; We will not be ascending anytime soon from advanced technology as far as I can tell. The "smell" left by the human race is lingering in our ground water and is killing other species left and right. Most of the big fish in the ocean are dead and the rain forests are going fast. Mankind is reproducing at an incredible rate. The best farm land (like the area where I live) is being turned into subdivisions and shopping malls while the oil to fuel the cars to get there is going away or at least is in the control of others. A time is coming soon where most of the money we pay in taxes will be used to pay the interest on the national debt.

Whether or not man evolved with or without the help of God is mute. We are destroying the planet and, as a species, are not smart enough to stop it. If we were to evolve further, it would require breeding of the brightest and best, just like we do with dogs and cows. Historically, the smartest and best equipped to survive were the ones who bred and created new generations. Today the reverse is true. The least equipped members of our species have the most children. Our planet lost the ability to support humans along with most other life at around two to three billion humans. We are now twice that and expanding rapidly which is killing most other species.

We can assume God exists ... or that he does not. Either way, what is our purpose on this Earth?