Topic: Ron Paul
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Sun 04/05/09 10:59 PM


popcorn anyone?

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Sun 04/05/09 11:01 PM
Uh... yeah!

I need something to eat. Perhaps a mouth full of popcorn will keep my big mouth shut for a while...

laugh

Thanx...

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Sun 04/05/09 11:08 PM
laugh help yourself

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Sun 04/05/09 11:33 PM
Edited by willing2 on Sun 04/05/09 11:34 PM



Here are a couple questions for Fanta.

Pelosi is pushing for Amnesty. In the works again, is the Dream Act. This Act is aimed at getting a foot in the door, using kids to gain sympathy for the Illegal.

You have made the statement that Amnesty will never happen. BHO is for Amnesty, speaking through Pelosi.

Question. Will you continue supporting BHO when the big push for Amnesty gets rolling?

Ron Paul is strictly against Illegal Immigration and wants our Laws enforced.

Question.
Do you support that view?


Still waiting to see if I can get a straight answer.


Good luck. There are some around here that are better at dancing around questions than Obama and Geithner combined.

It may be a long wait.
Duck and dodge.

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Mon 04/06/09 02:04 AM
i think ya killed the thread willing laugh

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Mon 04/06/09 03:59 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 04/06/09 04:01 AM

Here are a couple questions for Fanta.

Pelosi is pushing for Amnesty. In the works again, is the Dream Act. This Act is aimed at getting a foot in the door, using kids to gain sympathy for the Illegal.

You have made the statement that Amnesty will never happen. BHO is for Amnesty, speaking through Pelosi.

Question. Will you continue supporting BHO when the big push for Amnesty gets rolling?

Ron Paul is strictly against Illegal Immigration and wants our Laws enforced.

Question.
Do you support that view?


I supported The Immigration Reform Act of 2007!
I would just as soon walk down the sidewalk trying not to step on a crack while hopscotching over man hole covers than assume that Ron Paul was the only politician against Illegal Immigration.
To say he was and vote for him for that reason would be like ignoring the majority of economic experts who disagree with his Rhetoric about the Fed Reserve.
Experts with Harvard degrees and years of hard first-hand economic experience under their belts. Unlike the few Ron Paul economist who read a few of his articles and assume they know more about economics than these experts.

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Mon 04/06/09 04:00 AM
there ya are fanta...popcorn???:tongue:

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Mon 04/06/09 04:09 AM
Hi Rose!flowerforyou

This is not the first time The Dream Act has been brought up as either part of a bill or on its own merit.

The other times it was it failed to get enough congressional votes to pass. There is no need to assume that it will this time or to try and place the blame for it on Obama. The Dream Act has been a bill since before Obama was even a Senator.

If it passes this time at most one would have to blame congress for passing it, not Obama.

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Mon 04/06/09 05:49 AM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Mon 04/06/09 05:57 AM
I wanna know what the "experts" say about the FED and why we need it...

So far i haven't heard a logical argument for it yet.

I would think it would be stupid to make the only source of income bank loans.

For instance. Instead of a job you can only borrow money from a bank. You must borrow enough to make payments, plus the cost of expenses. The loans must get bigger and bigger every time.

In the bigger picture i know inflation is supposed to offset the costs of the payments... But isn't it dangerously unstable to have a monetary system dependent on inflation?

Also the national debt payments acounts for about a third of the U.S. budget. I wonder how much more money people could spend if they didn't have to pay income tax, and the poor could stop paying inflation tax.

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Mon 04/06/09 06:09 AM
Edited by willing2 on Mon 04/06/09 06:11 AM

Hi Rose!flowerforyou

This is not the first time The Dream Act has been brought up as either part of a bill or on its own merit.

The other times it was it failed to get enough congressional votes to pass. There is no need to assume that it will this time or to try and place the blame for it on Obama. The Dream Act has been a bill since before Obama was even a Senator.

If it passes this time at most one would have to blame congress for passing it, not Obama.

I may be mistaken but, Obama will either have the option to veto it or sign it into Law.
Pelosi is adamant about pushing Amnesty.
Are you going to voice your opposition to Amnesty to your Res and Congress or just go along with the program?

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Mon 04/06/09 06:15 AM


Hi Rose!flowerforyou

This is not the first time The Dream Act has been brought up as either part of a bill or on its own merit.

The other times it was it failed to get enough congressional votes to pass. There is no need to assume that it will this time or to try and place the blame for it on Obama. The Dream Act has been a bill since before Obama was even a Senator.

If it passes this time at most one would have to blame congress for passing it, not Obama.

I may be mistaken but, Obama will either have the option to veto it or sign it into Law.
Pelosi is adamant about pushing Amnesty.
Are you going to voice your opposition to Amnesty to your Res and Congress or just go along with the program?


It's never made it out of congress and to a President yet.

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Mon 04/06/09 06:20 AM



Hi Rose!flowerforyou

This is not the first time The Dream Act has been brought up as either part of a bill or on its own merit.

The other times it was it failed to get enough congressional votes to pass. There is no need to assume that it will this time or to try and place the blame for it on Obama. The Dream Act has been a bill since before Obama was even a Senator.

If it passes this time at most one would have to blame congress for passing it, not Obama.

I may be mistaken but, Obama will either have the option to veto it or sign it into Law.
Pelosi is adamant about pushing Amnesty.
Are you going to voice your opposition to Amnesty to your Res and Congress or just go along with the program?


It's never made it out of congress and to a President yet.


Will you voice opposition to Amnesty and the Dream Act?

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Mon 04/06/09 07:04 AM





Don't know much of him but I heard him briefly one time and did not like what I heard. He fit the average republican to me.

Republican idealogy that is not productive for this country is what has caused them to be voted out and I see that trend staying put for a while because they DO NOT HAVE THE AVERAGE AMERICAN'S WELL BEING AT HEART AT ANY LEVEL.


Why do you say that? What went against the average american? And if he fit the typical republican profile, why does he disagree with the majority of republicans, and refuse to endorse their electy party nominee?


Their ideology is too far right ( for lack of a better way of describing it).

Republicans for the most part have a stuck ideology that is out dated. Their ideology does not allow for the changing environment of man.

One example: Religion in politics. Republicans believe that religion should have a large active role in politics. This no longer fits the way the population believes.

Ron Paul believes this same philosophy.


Where does he mention any religion in his arguments? Where does he want to push ANY of his personal beliefs on people?


This is the first one I clicked on:

The War on Religion

by Rep. Ron Paul, MD
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD



As we celebrate another Yuletide season, it’s hard not to notice that Christmas in America simply doesn’t feel the same anymore. Although an overwhelming majority of Americans celebrate Christmas, and those who don’t celebrate it overwhelmingly accept and respect our nation’s Christmas traditions, a certain shared public sentiment slowly has disappeared. The Christmas spirit, marked by a wonderful feeling of goodwill among men, is in danger of being lost in the ongoing war against religion.

Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity.

This growing bias explains why many of our wonderful Christmas traditions have been lost. Christmas pageants and plays, including Handel’s Messiah, have been banned from schools and community halls. Nativity scenes have been ordered removed from town squares, and even criticized as offensive when placed on private church lawns. Office Christmas parties have become taboo, replaced by colorless seasonal parties to ensure no employees feel threatened by a “hostile environment.” Even wholly non-religious decorations featuring Santa Claus, snowmen, and the like have been called into question as Christmas symbols that might cause discomfort. Earlier this month, firemen near Chicago reluctantly removed Christmas decorations from their firehouse after a complaint by some embittered busybody. Most noticeably, however, the once commonplace refrain of “Merry Christmas” has been replaced by the vague, ubiquitous “Happy Holidays.” But what holiday? Is Christmas some kind of secret, a word that cannot be uttered in public? Why have we allowed the secularists to intimidate us into downplaying our most cherished and meaningful Christian celebration?

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation’s history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.


December 30, 2003

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.

http://digg.com/d18Jx7


There is no attack on religion in this country, if religion would step back into the place it belongs in, at home.

Religion has overstepped it's boundaries in this country for far too long.

People do not mind that people want to have religion at home but they want people to respect that not everyone is religious or has the same religion that they do.

Christians will not even recognize that Christmas was a pagan holiday before it was a Christian one and that not everyone wants to celebrate it as Christmas. They won't even accept a comprimise of respecting everyone by saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas because they are so used to being allowed cart blanc in this country.

Ron Paul buys into this because he is too far right for the average American.



Wow, the speeches I heard didn't meantion his religious views, I didn't vote for him but I clearly would not have if I knew his views were such as these.

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Mon 04/06/09 07:06 AM

So the fact that he wants people to be allowed to freely express their religion means that he is bringing religion into politics?

I ask, should muslim children not be allowed to pray at school when his or her religion requires?

All Ron Paul was asking for is tolerance. Did anyone else see anything different?


Wow, Driven we read that completely different. I think his views are more tolerant of christianity than tolerant of all faiths. hmmmm

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Mon 04/06/09 07:11 AM

Personally someone that would be offended at a "Merry Christmas" has little to no character at all, and thinks the world should bend to his or her will.

Think about it. If someone in their own religion said good day, how the hell can that be offensive by any sane person?


I think you might have missed the point. I don't know anyone offended by Merry Christmas nor would I myself be offended, I don't attach christ to christmas anyway, but neither am I offended by happy holidays which to me is more inclusive and respectful of all who live in this country. I don't see why christians are so freaked out by inclusion, they had the stage for many years because no one fought it I guess.

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Mon 04/06/09 07:13 AM


So the fact that he wants people to be allowed to freely express their religion means that he is bringing religion into politics?

I ask, should muslim children not be allowed to pray at school when his or her religion requires?

All Ron Paul was asking for is tolerance. Did anyone else see anything different?


Exactly. he is using Christianity as an example because it is a large sample of the population and what he knows best. Ron Paul is far from judging anyone on religious grounds and has done nothing but promote the tolerance of others, even while holding conflicting beliefs himself. That is what makes him a great man - he does not put himself ahead of what he feels is right.


Wow, you too Andrew, have read that completely different than I did. Interesting.

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Mon 04/06/09 07:15 AM




Hi Rose!flowerforyou

This is not the first time The Dream Act has been brought up as either part of a bill or on its own merit.

The other times it was it failed to get enough congressional votes to pass. There is no need to assume that it will this time or to try and place the blame for it on Obama. The Dream Act has been a bill since before Obama was even a Senator.

If it passes this time at most one would have to blame congress for passing it, not Obama.

I may be mistaken but, Obama will either have the option to veto it or sign it into Law.
Pelosi is adamant about pushing Amnesty.
Are you going to voice your opposition to Amnesty to your Res and Congress or just go along with the program?


It's never made it out of congress and to a President yet.


Will you voice opposition to Amnesty and the Dream Act?


If a Immigration bill comes up equal to the one in 2007.
Yes!
In hopes of being fair and genuine about Immigration reform.
I would be willing to compromise my every want and support it again.

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Mon 04/06/09 07:16 AM


So the fact that he wants people to be allowed to freely express their religion means that he is bringing religion into politics?

I ask, should muslim children not be allowed to pray at school when his or her religion requires?

All Ron Paul was asking for is tolerance. Did anyone else see anything different?


He is not asking for tolerance, he is asking for us to go back in time to a time of religious majority because he thinks it is a "better" time.

Republican equals stuck in the mud of old times not allowing for the changing humanity. We are not what we used to be any more and good riddance as far as I am concerned. There were way to many prejudice ideals in the old ways, too much religious dogma, etc.....

Ron Paul equals old stuck in the mud ideals that we have outgrown and need to dispel.


Exactly, and I have news for people, the country was never all Christian but the Christians did have their way for a very long time. it's not surprising to me today that people are fighting back against that dominance, for lack of a better word.

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Mon 04/06/09 07:17 AM
The Dream Act was part of that bill in 2007. I did support it and it was not even close to Amnesty.

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Mon 04/06/09 07:21 AM

The Dream Act was part of that bill in 2007. I did support it and it was not even close to Amnesty.

It's a foot in the door and as we all know, the body will soon follow.
Will you support Pelosi in her quest for Amnesty?