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Topic: Ron Paul
Fanta46's photo
Mon 04/06/09 07:26 PM


Do you think every childs parents could afford Private School, winx?


No way. I can only do it because I get a church member discount.
Then the non-religious private schools are much more expensive. I had no choice but to send my child to that school. I'm big on education and our city's public schools lost accreditation.


Do you think therefore,
that there would be an impedance placed on children
from poor families achieving an equal education?
If there were no public Schools?

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Mon 04/06/09 07:45 PM



You don't want your kids to decide what religious beliefs to pursue?


I too would not want my children indoctrinated into one religion or even any religion before they are adults and can decide rationally what that means to them. So public school would be the only alternative unless there were private schools that did not influence my child in religious matters.


The private, non-religious schools can only be afforded if one wins the lottery, IMO.


Actually I didn't know there was any such thing as a private non religious school, I don't remember them in my time, of course I was in private religious school so I wasn't informed of much outside that view..

Winx's photo
Mon 04/06/09 07:48 PM



Do you think every childs parents could afford Private School, winx?


No way. I can only do it because I get a church member discount.
Then the non-religious private schools are much more expensive. I had no choice but to send my child to that school. I'm big on education and our city's public schools lost accreditation.


Do you think therefore,
that there would be an impedance placed on children
from poor families achieving an equal education?
If there were no public Schools?


It would be horrible. The next generation of poor will become even more poor due to lack of education. The rich will stay on top. The next middle class generation could very well disappear.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 07:58 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Mon 04/06/09 08:06 PM




Let's start at the beginning!

How did the Revolution happen?

It cost money. All wars do.
Who was the chief financier of the American Revolution?


I think;

After the revolution our founding fathers saw the danger in using Fiat money. It was over-inflated and considered valueless after the war.

This is why the consitution makes paper money illegal. (Supposedly)


No!!!!!!!
Quite the opposite! Rhode Island was the last of the States to ratify the Constitution.
Why?
Because their farmers demanded paper money....

The First National Bank was Chartered the same year, 1791.

Robert Morris was asked by Washington to be the first Treasurer in 1787, (he declined) but he almost single-handily financed the Revolution.


This proves three things.
1- We have always had paper money.
2- The founding fathers saw a need for a Centralized National Bank, (Hamilton founded it)
3- That it took until 1787 for enough states to ratify the Constitution and until 1791, and the bill of rights being added for all 13 to ratify it.

Number three proves at least two things and that is.
1-That the Constitution never was the perfect document people claim it was. It took 15 years and the bill of rights added before even the founding fathers could reach an agreement to sign it!
2-That the Founding fathers recognized that from time-to-time it may need Amendments added.


Interesting, very interesting.

I wonderwhy so many were against a central bank to begin with . Jefferson got rid of the first one and Andrew Jacks abolished the second. Andrew Jackson was the only president to pay off the national debt. I wonder why fiat currency is so much better than any other... Why is sound money so detrimental?

Winx's photo
Mon 04/06/09 07:59 PM




You don't want your kids to decide what religious beliefs to pursue?


I too would not want my children indoctrinated into one religion or even any religion before they are adults and can decide rationally what that means to them. So public school would be the only alternative unless there were private schools that did not influence my child in religious matters.


The private, non-religious schools can only be afforded if one wins the lottery, IMO.


Actually I didn't know there was any such thing as a private non religious school, I don't remember them in my time, of course I was in private religious school so I wasn't informed of much outside that view..


We have them in St. Louis. They're very upper-crust.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 07:59 PM


You don't want your kids to decide what religious beliefs to pursue?


I too would not want my children indoctrinated into one religion or even any religion before they are adults and can decide rationally what that means to them. So public school would be the only alternative unless there were private schools that did not influence my child in religious matters.


There are... plenty. One is just around the corner from where i live.

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Mon 04/06/09 08:00 PM
With a school voucher program parents will have a choice of where to send their kids. Schools that participate would see an influx of $ making it more likely that they would want to participate. At the same time by participating they are forced to comply with federal regulations on equal rights and such. Competition is introduced into the system which will in theory have an effect on not only private schools, but public schools also.

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Mon 04/06/09 08:00 PM







Why are private schools the most successful?

You have no arguments from me that schools need money, and should be a priority. But as i said earlier private schools seem to be the best in the nation. Maybe we should take them up on their advice?


One reason - they don't have to let any ole body into them. They can be selective. How do I know? My child goes to one. If one child is bad enough and enough parents complain, they can get that child kicked out.


Interesting....i wonder how we could learn from that?

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Another reason that they are so successful is that they have smaller classroom sizes. My child's school is that way.



Nifty, more funding would help cover that... Don't you think smaller, more abundant schools would help that as well?


It would definitely help. I would like to see the public schools bring back more arts and crafts and gym too.


What about Reading, writing and arithmatic? Don't you think more focus should be placed on this as well? What about applied sciences and applied mathmatics to learn how to apply textbook stuff to real life?

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They already focus on reading, writing and math. My child has applied science and math.

The public schools have cut back on art and gym. I'm a firm believer that exercise enhances learning. Learning how to a play a musical instrument facilitates brain development. Studies have shown that it enhances spatial thinking. That is important for engineering and science.



indeed

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 08:01 PM

Do you think every childs parents could afford Private School, winx?


wouldn't that be where a voucher system comes in?

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 08:04 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Mon 04/06/09 08:05 PM
so Fanta, can you explain the mechanics of fiat currency and why it is successful now?

It caused trouble in Rome i believe. In fact many say it caused it's fall...

Why do you think having money represent debt is mechanically sound?

Winx's photo
Mon 04/06/09 08:17 PM


Do you think every childs parents could afford Private School, winx?


wouldn't that be where a voucher system comes in?


I know that Obama had talked about doing vouchers.

I'm not sure that's the way to go. I would only be satisfied if every single child in the U.S. would receive one. I think it would hurt neighborhoods. I also think it will cost more than what we have now.


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Mon 04/06/09 08:26 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Mon 04/06/09 08:27 PM



Do you think every childs parents could afford Private School, winx?


wouldn't that be where a voucher system comes in?


I know that Obama had talked about doing vouchers.

I'm not sure that's the way to go. I would only be satisfied if every single child in the U.S. would receive one. I think it would hurt neighborhoods. I also think it will cost more than what we have now.




That's where fixing our budget comes in.

I find it tragic that a third of our money goes to paying interest on the national debt... Be nifty if we could put all that onto vouchers and transportation to the schools wouldn't it? This money is just wasted. But, it's mathmatically impossible to pay it off with a central bank.

Another nifty cut would be wars. Why on earth are we the world police? If the world needs us to be i say tax every country that wants our help. Or better yet, mind our own freakin business. That's almost another third of the budget.

Theres a handful of government programs that could be eliminated as well. For instance the department of homeland security. That should be the FBI and NSA's jobs. Not to mention the police force. They need to start pooling some sources as lack of security was never our country's problem. It's been lack of managibility. We had enough info to prevent 9/11. We just had poor communication.

Or what about the "War on drugs"? Can you imagine how much money we would save by making pot legal?

There are plenty of places to save billions. Billions that could be spent on our children's education. I also believe whole heartedly that we won't have thebest education anymore if schools have no competition. There needs to be a goal to work for.

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Mon 04/06/09 08:27 PM



You don't want your kids to decide what religious beliefs to pursue?


I too would not want my children indoctrinated into one religion or even any religion before they are adults and can decide rationally what that means to them. So public school would be the only alternative unless there were private schools that did not influence my child in religious matters.


There are... plenty. One is just around the corner from where i live.


Well not having children I never thought about it really, good to know there is, but not so good that they cost so much.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 04/06/09 08:30 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 04/06/09 08:33 PM


Do you think every childs parents could afford Private School, winx?


wouldn't that be where a voucher system comes in?

So you're back to the Gov funding education again.
Only this time indebted with a private corporation. No doubt they would lose all means to regulate or control the cost of the private corporation.

If they did Ron Paul would scream about how Gov had become too large again.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 08:31 PM




You don't want your kids to decide what religious beliefs to pursue?


I too would not want my children indoctrinated into one religion or even any religion before they are adults and can decide rationally what that means to them. So public school would be the only alternative unless there were private schools that did not influence my child in religious matters.


There are... plenty. One is just around the corner from where i live.


Well not having children I never thought about it really, good to know there is, but not so good that they cost so much.


That would be the downside. Unfortunately they have to make up for having no government funding. The upside to having no government funding is that some politician in D.C. can't tell the school's history professor, or any other teacher, how his or her class should be taught.

Too bad there isn't a way to get teachers to compete for jobs huh?

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Mon 04/06/09 08:33 PM



Do you think every childs parents could afford Private School, winx?


wouldn't that be where a voucher system comes in?


I know that Obama had talked about doing vouchers.

I'm not sure that's the way to go. I would only be satisfied if every single child in the U.S. would receive one. I think it would hurt neighborhoods. I also think it will cost more than what we have now.




I agree.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 08:35 PM



Do you think every childs parents could afford Private School, winx?


wouldn't that be where a voucher system comes in?

So you're back to the Gov funding education again.
Only this time indebiting themselves with a private coorporation. No doubt they would lose all means to regulate or control the cost of the private corporation.

If they did Ron Paul would scream about how Gov had become too large again.


Sounds kinda like our central bank doesn't it? And AIG? lol


No im not necessarily against government funded education. I am for shrinking the government, but the process must be done slowly over decades.

The only reason i suggest vouchers is to get competition going, so every school needs to be the best...

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Mon 04/06/09 08:37 PM



Do you think every childs parents could afford Private School, winx?


wouldn't that be where a voucher system comes in?

So you're back to the Gov funding education again.
Only this time indebted with a private corporation. No doubt they would lose all means to regulate or control the cost of the private corporation.

If they did Ron Paul would scream about how Gov had become too large again.


Which "large government" is a rhetoric tool used to "explain" any governmental problems or programs the right doesn't agree with. Our government is growing with the population which should happen as the country gets "larger" but it is not over grown. We are not facing socialism which is the supposed end result of "larger government" or worse communism.

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Mon 04/06/09 08:39 PM

so Fanta, can you explain the mechanics of fiat currency and why it is successful now?

It caused trouble in Rome i believe. In fact many say it caused it's fall...

Why do you think having money represent debt is mechanically sound?


I had very little accounting but in basic accounting "loose" money is listed as debt, if I am correct.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 08:40 PM


so Fanta, can you explain the mechanics of fiat currency and why it is successful now?

It caused trouble in Rome i believe. In fact many say it caused it's fall...

Why do you think having money represent debt is mechanically sound?


I had very little accounting but in basic accounting "loose" money is listed as debt, if I am correct.


So that means we have loose, fiat currency..? Hmmm...

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