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Topic: Ron Paul
Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 05:40 PM

Let's start at the beginning!

How did the Revolution happen?

It cost money. All wars do.
Who was the chief financier of the American Revolution?


I think;

After the revolution our founding fathers saw the danger in using Fiat money. It was over-inflated and considered valueless after the war.

This is why the consitution makes paper money illegal. (Supposedly)

Dragoness's photo
Mon 04/06/09 05:40 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Mon 04/06/09 05:43 PM

Let's start at the beginning!

How did the Revolution happen?

It cost money. All wars do.
Who was the chief financier of the American Revolution?


Robert Morris by Wikipedia and Haym Salomon by the Jewish Heroes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Morris_(financier)

http://www.fau.edu/library/brody5.htm


At the end it cost 79 million

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_did_the_Revolutionary_War_cost

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 05:41 PM







I am done with talk on religion. Who cares. This doesn't help me with my personal knowledge.

What i want to know is Why do we NEED a central Bank.

Why do we NEED big government?

To have our government centralized?

Why do we need the Department of education?

Why do we need a fiat currency?



We don't have a Central bank nor do we have a problem with big government. So that is covered.

Centralized government is what the forefather meant to have by instituting a federal government to govern over all the state government and to intervene like they had to during the civil rights movement.

Yes, a standardized, organized education system is needed.

I don't know about the fiat currency so someone else will have to answer that one.

Okay covered.

Next........


Your funny...

You need to look up the Federal Reserve... If that's not a central bank than what is?

And why is it that our schools were number 1 in the world until we devoleped the department of education. We are in 12th or 13th the last i heard.

Also, why are we called the UNITED STATES if it was supposed to be a Federation?


I explained the central bank thing in my previous post.

Our educational system has outgrown the small system originally designed it needs to be enlarged and better organized and better funded. Those are the reasons for the failures of the system, not the fact that it is public.


Why are private schools the most successful?

You have no arguments from me that schools need money, and should be a priority. But as i said earlier private schools seem to be the best in the nation. Maybe we should take them up on their advice?


One reason - they don't have to let any ole body into them. They can be selective. How do I know? My child goes to one. If one child is bad enough and enough parents complain, they can get that child kicked out.


Interesting....i wonder how we could learn from that?

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 05:42 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Mon 04/06/09 05:47 PM

If you turned all education in America over to private schools we would turn into a Caste system.
Like in India.


Hmmm... I know ALL schools can't be like that, but i wonder if there was something we could learn from all that.

Isn't India supposedly known for having a strong education?


Ok, maybe not. Just glanced, can't find good info andi'm too lazy to dig out my sociology book...

Lionfish's photo
Mon 04/06/09 05:42 PM

If you turned all education in America over to private schools we would turn into a Caste system. Like in India.


Or you might learn that the caste system has nothing to do with who funds education.

Winx's photo
Mon 04/06/09 05:44 PM
Edited by Winx on Mon 04/06/09 05:45 PM


Why are private schools the most successful?

You have no arguments from me that schools need money, and should be a priority. But as i said earlier private schools seem to be the best in the nation. Maybe we should take them up on their advice?


One reason - they don't have to let any ole body into them. They can be selective. How do I know? My child goes to one. If one child is bad enough and enough parents complain, they can get that child kicked out.


Interesting....i wonder how we could learn from that?

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Another reason that they are so successful is that they have smaller classroom sizes. My child's school is that way.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 04/06/09 05:45 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Mon 04/06/09 05:50 PM






I am done with talk on religion. Who cares. This doesn't help me with my personal knowledge.

What i want to know is Why do we NEED a central Bank.

Why do we NEED big government?

To have our government centralized?

Why do we need the Department of education?

Why do we need a fiat currency?



We don't have a Central bank nor do we have a problem with big government. So that is covered.

Centralized government is what the forefather meant to have by instituting a federal government to govern over all the state government and to intervene like they had to during the civil rights movement.

Yes, a standardized, organized education system is needed.

I don't know about the fiat currency so someone else will have to answer that one.

Okay covered.

Next........


Your funny...

You need to look up the Federal Reserve... If that's not a central bank than what is?

And why is it that our schools were number 1 in the world until we devoleped the department of education. We are in 12th or 13th the last i heard.

Also, why are we called the UNITED STATES if it was supposed to be a Federation?


I explained the central bank thing in my previous post.

Our educational system has outgrown the small system originally designed it needs to be enlarged and better organized and better funded. Those are the reasons for the failures of the system, not the fact that it is public.


Why are private schools the most successful?

You have no arguments from me that schools need money, and should be a priority. But as i said earlier private schools seem to be the best in the nation. Maybe we should take them up on their advice?


Considering that most private schools have an agenda, that might not work for all. I did not want my kids in a parochial school because they were going to be allowed to make intelligent choices to their own religious belief or lack of.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 05:50 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Mon 04/06/09 05:51 PM



Why are private schools the most successful?

You have no arguments from me that schools need money, and should be a priority. But as i said earlier private schools seem to be the best in the nation. Maybe we should take them up on their advice?


One reason - they don't have to let any ole body into them. They can be selective. How do I know? My child goes to one. If one child is bad enough and enough parents complain, they can get that child kicked out.


Interesting....i wonder how we could learn from that?

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Another reason that they are so successful is that they have smaller classroom sizes. My child's school is that way.



Nifty, more funding would help cover that... Don't you think smaller, more abundant schools would help that as well?

Do you think states should have more say in what their schools do? Wouldn't it be helpful for parents to get a little more involved as well?

Winx's photo
Mon 04/06/09 05:52 PM
Edited by Winx on Mon 04/06/09 05:54 PM




Why are private schools the most successful?

You have no arguments from me that schools need money, and should be a priority. But as i said earlier private schools seem to be the best in the nation. Maybe we should take them up on their advice?


One reason - they don't have to let any ole body into them. They can be selective. How do I know? My child goes to one. If one child is bad enough and enough parents complain, they can get that child kicked out.


Interesting....i wonder how we could learn from that?

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Another reason that they are so successful is that they have smaller classroom sizes. My child's school is that way.



Nifty, more funding would help cover that... Don't you think smaller, more abundant schools would help that as well?


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It would definitely help. I would to see the public schools bring back more arts and crafts and gym too. I'm a firm believer that lack of exercise affects learning. The public schools have cut back on these classes.




Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 05:53 PM







I am done with talk on religion. Who cares. This doesn't help me with my personal knowledge.

What i want to know is Why do we NEED a central Bank.

Why do we NEED big government?

To have our government centralized?

Why do we need the Department of education?

Why do we need a fiat currency?



We don't have a Central bank nor do we have a problem with big government. So that is covered.

Centralized government is what the forefather meant to have by instituting a federal government to govern over all the state government and to intervene like they had to during the civil rights movement.

Yes, a standardized, organized education system is needed.

I don't know about the fiat currency so someone else will have to answer that one.

Okay covered.

Next........


Your funny...

You need to look up the Federal Reserve... If that's not a central bank than what is?

And why is it that our schools were number 1 in the world until we devoleped the department of education. We are in 12th or 13th the last i heard.

Also, why are we called the UNITED STATES if it was supposed to be a Federation?


I explained the central bank thing in my previous post.

Our educational system has outgrown the small system originally designed it needs to be enlarged and better organized and better funded. Those are the reasons for the failures of the system, not the fact that it is public.


Why are private schools the most successful?

You have no arguments from me that schools need money, and should be a priority. But as i said earlier private schools seem to be the best in the nation. Maybe we should take them up on their advice?


Considering that most private schools have an agenda, that might not work for all. I did not want my kids in a parochial school because they were going to be allowed to make intelligent choices to their own religious belief or lack of.


You don't want your kids to decide what religious beliefs to pursue?

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 04/06/09 05:54 PM





Why are private schools the most successful?

You have no arguments from me that schools need money, and should be a priority. But as i said earlier private schools seem to be the best in the nation. Maybe we should take them up on their advice?


One reason - they don't have to let any ole body into them. They can be selective. How do I know? My child goes to one. If one child is bad enough and enough parents complain, they can get that child kicked out.


Interesting....i wonder how we could learn from that?

-------------------------------------------------------
Another reason that they are so successful is that they have smaller classroom sizes. My child's school is that way.



Nifty, more funding would help cover that... Don't you think smaller, more abundant schools would help that as well?


It would definitely help. I would to see the public schools bring back more arts and crafts and gym too.


What about Reading, writing and arithmatic? Don't you think more focus should be placed on this as well? What about applied sciences and applied mathmatics to learn how to apply textbook stuff to real life?

Dragoness's photo
Mon 04/06/09 05:57 PM








I am done with talk on religion. Who cares. This doesn't help me with my personal knowledge.

What i want to know is Why do we NEED a central Bank.

Why do we NEED big government?

To have our government centralized?

Why do we need the Department of education?

Why do we need a fiat currency?



We don't have a Central bank nor do we have a problem with big government. So that is covered.

Centralized government is what the forefather meant to have by instituting a federal government to govern over all the state government and to intervene like they had to during the civil rights movement.

Yes, a standardized, organized education system is needed.

I don't know about the fiat currency so someone else will have to answer that one.

Okay covered.

Next........


Your funny...

You need to look up the Federal Reserve... If that's not a central bank than what is?

And why is it that our schools were number 1 in the world until we devoleped the department of education. We are in 12th or 13th the last i heard.

Also, why are we called the UNITED STATES if it was supposed to be a Federation?


I explained the central bank thing in my previous post.

Our educational system has outgrown the small system originally designed it needs to be enlarged and better organized and better funded. Those are the reasons for the failures of the system, not the fact that it is public.


Why are private schools the most successful?

You have no arguments from me that schools need money, and should be a priority. But as i said earlier private schools seem to be the best in the nation. Maybe we should take them up on their advice?


Considering that most private schools have an agenda, that might not work for all. I did not want my kids in a parochial school because they were going to be allowed to make intelligent choices to their own religious belief or lack of.


You don't want your kids to decide what religious beliefs to pursue?


It is not a decision for children, it is a decision for adults, I wanted them to make it as adults.

All of my children are grown now, one goes to church some, one goes to church now and then and the other does not attend at all. But I had no influence on that at any level.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 04/06/09 06:02 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 04/06/09 06:09 PM


Let's start at the beginning!

How did the Revolution happen?

It cost money. All wars do.
Who was the chief financier of the American Revolution?


I think;

After the revolution our founding fathers saw the danger in using Fiat money. It was over-inflated and considered valueless after the war.

This is why the consitution makes paper money illegal. (Supposedly)


No!!!!!!!
Quite the opposite! Rhode Island was the last of the States to ratify the Constitution.
Why?
Because their farmers demanded paper money....

The First National Bank was Chartered the same year, 1791.

Robert Morris was asked by Washington to be the first Treasurer in 1787, (he declined) but he almost single-handily financed the Revolution.

no photo
Mon 04/06/09 06:12 PM

You don't want your kids to decide what religious beliefs to pursue?


I too would not want my children indoctrinated into one religion or even any religion before they are adults and can decide rationally what that means to them. So public school would be the only alternative unless there were private schools that did not influence my child in religious matters.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 04/06/09 06:29 PM



Let's start at the beginning!

How did the Revolution happen?

It cost money. All wars do.
Who was the chief financier of the American Revolution?


I think;

After the revolution our founding fathers saw the danger in using Fiat money. It was over-inflated and considered valueless after the war.

This is why the consitution makes paper money illegal. (Supposedly)


No!!!!!!!
Quite the opposite! Rhode Island was the last of the States to ratify the Constitution.
Why?
Because their farmers demanded paper money....

The First National Bank was Chartered the same year, 1791.

Robert Morris was asked by Washington to be the first Treasurer in 1787, (he declined) but he almost single-handily financed the Revolution.


This proves three things.
1- We have always had paper money.
2- The founding fathers saw a need for a Centralized National Bank, (Hamilton founded it)
3- That it took until 1787 for enough states to ratify the Constitution and until 1791, and the bill of rights being added for all 13 to ratify it.

Number three proves at least two things and that is.
1-That the Constitution never was the perfect document people claim it was. It took 15 years and the bill of rights added before even the founding fathers could reach an agreement to sign it!
2-That the Founding fathers recognized that from time-to-time it may need Amendments added.

Winx's photo
Mon 04/06/09 06:31 PM
Edited by Winx on Mon 04/06/09 06:33 PM






Why are private schools the most successful?

You have no arguments from me that schools need money, and should be a priority. But as i said earlier private schools seem to be the best in the nation. Maybe we should take them up on their advice?


One reason - they don't have to let any ole body into them. They can be selective. How do I know? My child goes to one. If one child is bad enough and enough parents complain, they can get that child kicked out.


Interesting....i wonder how we could learn from that?

-------------------------------------------------------
Another reason that they are so successful is that they have smaller classroom sizes. My child's school is that way.



Nifty, more funding would help cover that... Don't you think smaller, more abundant schools would help that as well?


It would definitely help. I would like to see the public schools bring back more arts and crafts and gym too.


What about Reading, writing and arithmatic? Don't you think more focus should be placed on this as well? What about applied sciences and applied mathmatics to learn how to apply textbook stuff to real life?

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They already focus on reading, writing and math. My child has applied science and math.

The public schools have cut back on art and gym. I'm a firm believer that exercise enhances learning. Learning how to a play a musical instrument facilitates brain development. Studies have shown that it enhances spatial thinking. That is important for engineering and science.

Fanta46's photo
Mon 04/06/09 07:03 PM
Do you think every childs parents could afford Private School, winx?

Winx's photo
Mon 04/06/09 07:06 PM


You don't want your kids to decide what religious beliefs to pursue?


I too would not want my children indoctrinated into one religion or even any religion before they are adults and can decide rationally what that means to them. So public school would be the only alternative unless there were private schools that did not influence my child in religious matters.


The private, non-religious schools can only be afforded if one wins the lottery, IMO.

Winx's photo
Mon 04/06/09 07:08 PM

Do you think every childs parents could afford Private School, winx?


No way. I can only do it because I get a church member discount.
Then the non-religious private schools are much more expensive. I had no choice but to send my child to that school. I'm big on education and our city's public schools lost accreditation.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 04/06/09 07:09 PM




Let's start at the beginning!

How did the Revolution happen?

It cost money. All wars do.
Who was the chief financier of the American Revolution?


I think;

After the revolution our founding fathers saw the danger in using Fiat money. It was over-inflated and considered valueless after the war.

This is why the consitution makes paper money illegal. (Supposedly)


No!!!!!!!
Quite the opposite! Rhode Island was the last of the States to ratify the Constitution.
Why?
Because their farmers demanded paper money....

The First National Bank was Chartered the same year, 1791.

Robert Morris was asked by Washington to be the first Treasurer in 1787, (he declined) but he almost single-handily financed the Revolution.


This proves three things.
1- We have always had paper money.
2- The founding fathers saw a need for a Centralized National Bank, (Hamilton founded it)
3- That it took until 1787 for enough states to ratify the Constitution and until 1791, and the bill of rights being added for all 13 to ratify it.

Number three proves at least two things and that is.
1-That the Constitution never was the perfect document people claim it was. It took 15 years and the bill of rights added before even the founding fathers could reach an agreement to sign it!
2-That the Founding fathers recognized that from time-to-time it may need Amendments added.



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