Jeanniebean bestowed me with the power of the Gods
She sent me bolts of lighting to wart off all the mods
All of Heavens Angels were cheering with applause
cuz they knew that I would clarify the truth of Holy Laws

I cut though misconceptions and carve out just the truth
Then serve it on a platter with a bottle of vermouth
The Christians think I'm evil and obnoxiously uncouth
But God ordained my mission since my early days of youth

I try to teach the morals of the man they think they own
But they renounce my thesis, and all they do is moan
They demand that I must worship him, and put him on a throne
For this is what their dogma has taught them should be sown

But the fruit of life grows not from creed
It vines its way from human deed
If only they could plant that seed
The human race could wipe out greed

Ah... Excellant. Here we have a perfect example of Cultic practices - where an individual creates a premise that they want supported, and then grab passages from the bible to "support" their idea.

You have now demonstrated yourself to be of the same type of individual as Jim Jones, Charles Manson, The Reverand Sum Yung Moon, Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy...

I certainly hope your disciples acquiesce to a better fate than their disciples.

I am God, bow down to me! It is written!

If I may interject and boy did a lot of Catholic Priests chock when I asked them this,


If Judas was an apostle why was his scripture left out of the bible? Some dared try to tell me there was not one because he was condemned to die by God for betraying Jesus. I then asked if God condemned him why was he grief stricken and hung himself out of guilt?

Then I asked: if Jesus had to die as part of god's plan and Judas was compelled by god as we are taught to believe then how could God condemn a man for doing what God wanted him to do? Again the priests all fell back on their patented answer that the Church condemned Judas.

Then came the next obvious question: Who is the church to make judgment on a man acting by God's will even if he was doing it against his will because God wanted it? is that not committing a sin of the most grievous nature condemning a man when God is supposed to be the judge? Answer: Because the church speaks for God. My reply?

"Call god here now to tell me to my face you are my judges! You are sinners of the worst degree! you do not speak in God's name. The Bible never gave you that authority!" I was shortly asked to leave the school I was attending because I was "emotionally disturbed."


I later found out after I had managed to confirm there actually was a scripture according to Judas and it painted a very different picture of Jesus and made him out to be just a man with a very noble ideal that had a relationship with Mary and may have even had a family. it also painted Mary as another Apostle and that Jesus had several others, men and women. The Divincci Code just used it as a clever device to explain the plot. The real one on the other hand just came to light in the form of a copy of it in Greek. So far the information coming from it has the Church twisting in its socks right now.

There is omitted information from people close to Jesus that does not coincide with the lies the church has propagated all these years. it is so easy to use pretty words and so called authorities to write books and people accept them as fact irregardless of the source. look at Scientology. It is an utter load of crap yet people buy it like it was gospel fact and live their lives by it.

It goes with my hypothesis is that man is at a point in evolution where we have to decide to be sheep or wolves and so far there can be no balance between the two other than a precarious one. Sheep need something to follow and guide them. The church has its Judas Goat in the form of the bible playing on fear and deception. Wolves do not follow for the sake of following. The demand strong leadership and do not follow any pack. Some are loners and others prefer small groups.

I think myself man will make the next great leap in evolution when we learn to find balance in our natures and intellects that does not conflict with common sense and compassion for our world and each other. If we make contact with an extra terrestrial intelligence now there is a chance we will start a war thanks to religious fanaticism and get our asses ROYALLY handed to us thanks to a few nutcases among us who cannot look past their rose colored glasses to see there is FAR more to this picture than human ethnocentrism and misogynistic agenda.

Andy,

Excellent points you raised there... I hope you're not really expecting a straight answer from our BIble thumpin' fellow minglers.

Poor Judas... He had nothing to do with Jesus' demise. The Romans could care less about a street performer hippie doing magic tricks and sidewalk miracles for change... It was the Jewish rabbies who felt threatened as Jesus was preaching against the Jewish faith... basically he was bad for business... and so in the end, one too many Jewish rabbi jokes in his act got him nailed to the cross.

Besides, you should know better than to even bring up such questions. God doesn't like inquisitive creatures. He loves submissive sheeple, don't you know...

I've lived my life so focused on self

The statement I made was not so much based on my guilt, but rather was an observation of results of my individual modus operandi and was more a question of this possibly being a common thread.

You suggest we not put people on pedestals that purport to act selflessly. ACT is the operative word.

Were all acting...

I've lived my life so focused on self that it's cost me plenty (Yup... about me).

Now that I have a child, I believe it's costing her and will continue to affect her (yes, there's some guilt). Is my wanting her happiness and fulfillment all about me? It is, in part, about me… for sure.

Speaking only for myself, I believe it's imperative that I acknowledge how being completely self-driven can't serve any greater good… FOR ME... in this little corner of the world.

Judas never wrote any scripture because he was never was inspired by God. Being an apostle did not mean becoming part of the New Testament. God forknew Judas would betray him, so he predestined him to do so. The same is true with Pharoah.

Scripture gives the church authority to act in certain situations.


The gospel of Judas was not written by Judas. It is knostic and was written much later.

The whole religion is utterly absurd, and I offer to you the following reason.

If Jesus was indeed the sacrificial lamb of God sent specifically to be crucified to pay for the sins of man, then clearly this would have been God's PLAN. This would have been what God WANTED.

Therefore, anyone who contributed to the crucifixion would have been doing the WILL of God.

Therefore Judas would have been doing the will of God, and the Jews who demanded that Jesus be crucified would have been doing the will of God, and the Roman soldiers who actaully beat Jesus and nailed him to the cross would have been doing the will of God.

In fact, the following is the truly paradoxical part:

Any Christian who feels that they would have done anything to prevent or stop the crucifixion of Jesus is going against the God of Abraham in TWO WAYS.

First, they are rejecting God's plan and disagreeing with God's will to have Jesus crucified as a sacrificial lamb.

Secondly, and far more importantly, it just shows that they don't even understand what the religion is all about. The idea of accepting the sacrificial lamb of God is just that! You must ACCEPT the sacrifice and that it was done FOR YOU!

Therefore any Christian who feels that they would have tried to prevent the crucifixion or 'stand up' for Jesus is actaully refusing the sacrifice.

The only way to truly accept the scarifice of Jesus would be to CONDONE IT! You must be willing to nail Jesus to the cross yourself to allow him to pay for your sins. If you refuse to condone that then you are disagreeing with the sacrifice and REJECTING the very notion of it.

The very notion that "God so LOVED the world that he sent his only begotten Son to be crucified to pay for the sins of man", is a truly assinine concept.

Christian often blame the Romans or Jews for crucifying Jesus, but if Jesus was the "sacrifical lamb of God" sent to suffer and die on the cross so that God could forgive men their sins, then this was GOD'S PLAN.

Anyone who truly ACCEPT this supposedly divine sacrifice must indeed ACCEPT it with OPEN ARMS and CONDONE IT and REJOICE that it was DONE.

Anything less would be to REJECT IT.

I personally don't believe the historical interpretations and this religion. I don't believe in the God of Abraham anymore than I believe in Zeus. I see no reason to believe that Jesus was the Son of a self-confessed jealous male chauvinistic God who is appeased by blood sacrifices and had told people to judge and stone sinners to death, and to murder heathens (i.e. anyone who doesn't believe that the Bible is the word of a jealous all-wise God).

On the contrary, even the scriptures themselves make it clear that this man named Jesus refuted the judging of others, the stoning to death of sinners, and the seeking of revenge (an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth) as taught by this ficticious mythology of the God of Abraham.

Instead Jesus taught love, and forgiveness and to turn the other cheek. These were the moral codes of Buddhism, not the God of Abraham!

Jesus was murdered for BLASPHEME precisely becasue he was disagreeing with the Old Ficticious mythology!

The very idea that a jealous egotistical God would send his son to first denounce his teachings and then be butchered on a pole so that this jealous God could forgive men their sins is a truly insane idea.

How anyone can believe these claims is beyond me. And it's even more crazy that people are defending it so vehemently in the very face of these absurdities.

Why anyone would even want this picture to be true is beyond me. So I'll never understand why anyone would even begin to want to believe in this story based on pure faith. That would imply that they somehow like this story. That they like the idea that some angry jealous God sent his son to be crucified to pay for their sins. Even though they totally reject any ACCEPTANCE of the actual crucifixion and try to BLAME it on people like Judas, or the Jews or the Romans.

The bottom line that any Christian must truly grapple with is the following:

IF INDEED an angry jealous God sent his son to be crucified to pay for YOUR SINS, then the only way that you could ACCEPT that sacrifice is to accept that YOU ARE THE CAUSE of the crucifixion. You have no one to BLAME for it but yourself, and you MUST ACCEPT IT as the WILL OF GOD.

To accept the Crucifixion of Jesus IN YOUR NAME, for YOUR SAKE you must be willing to pick up the sledge and nail Jesus to the pole yourself. Any attempt to protect Jesus or reject the idea of having him crucified it to REJECT the SACRIFICIAL LAMB of God.

So any Christian who isn't willing to nail Jesus to the cross him or her self, is rejecting the crucifixion and thus rejecting the sacrificial lamb of God.

I personally reject the whole religion. I do not accept any crucifixions done in my name. Even if I though the story was true and God was actually like what the Bible says I'd still have to reject his bloody sacrifice.

He may be appeased by blood sacrifices, but I am NOT!

If that's what our creator is like then I denounce our creator and totally reject his demented plans. I see no reason to condone madness just because the entity who is commiting the madness is supposely all-powerful. And all-powerful demon is still a demon.

There is so much wrong with the whole picture.

In fact, if Mary is supposed to be an example of a mortal woman who was sinless, then why didn't God create her from a rib of Adam and give her to Adam as a helpmate in the garden of Eden?

Then Adam and Mary would have never fallen from grace.

Why should the whole world suffer just because of God's poor choice in creating a mate for Adam? Had God created the world with Adam and Mary instead of Adam and Eve there never would have been any 'fall from grace'.

This whole religion blames mankind for things that clearly mankind never had any say in.

It's a truly ludicious religion build on the concepts of Guilt, Shame, the need to Salvation (through the church) and the power of TITHES!

Let's not forget about the POWER of tithes because without CASH the religion would have died a very LONG time ago.

The almighty dollar is the true God of the religion.

I'm not trying to promote living a completely self-driven lifestyles or selfishness or narcissism, I guess my point is more academic.
It doesn't have to be that one cannot find self-satisfaction in being a good parent. There are many things in life that can bring self satisfaction and many ways to pursue self-preservation that are not isolationistic.

What a nonsensical argument! Judas was predestined to betrayed Jesus because god foresaw it? The way I see it Judas did Jesus a favour. If it was Jesus' plan to be crucified by the Romans so he could die for mankind, then Judas didn't really betray Jesus, he was playing his part in helping Jesus' complete his plan.

Off Topic, I know... But, your OP and the direction it takes, has raised important questions in me.

In the realization that I have been driven by the needs of self in relationship with my daughter, I look to increasing my awareness of her needs as a human being and in fostering her own knowledge of who she is in this world... Not merely as a reflection of me, but as a wholly unique and powerful individual.

Thank you, Thomas, for what you bring.

Who knew being sarcastic smart azz would be of benefit to someone. I'm honoured to be of help.

That is what I was going to say, guess I don't have to now. Sorry Morning star but that is true. I know you think your version of the truth is the truth, not sure how you can expect folks to take that seriously. But I still love my delusional friends too..

Here let me translate MS.

You have to be truly and properly indoctrinated to see what they want you to see in these words. The fact that they must make words such as hate run counter to common usage illustrates that point . . . .


If you want something bad enough you can make anything mean what you want it to.

Its a form of confirmation bias.

Always beneficial... No matter what reactions you get.

Thanks.

Ah... Excellant. Here we have a perfect example of Cultic practices - where an individual creates a premise that they want supported, and then grab passages from the bible to "support" their idea.

You have now demonstrated yourself to be of the same type of individual as Jim Jones, Charles , The Reverand Sum Yung Moon, Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy...

I certainly hope your disciples acquiesce to a better fate than their disciples.


You forgot people like Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Rod Parlsey, the guy who runs TBN, who paid an out-of-court settlement to cover up his gay affair, etc., etc.

The gospel of Judas was not written by Judas. It is knostic and was written much later.

Isn't this the same thing that everyone says about the gospels?

Dude! your head is so far up your ass it must be hard to breath! Judas did do his share of writing. You make him out to be an illiterate street walker who just hung around Jesus. ALL JEWS ARE EDUCATED THEN AND NOW! IT IS CULTURAL TO THEM TO BE EDUCATED! The reason why the scriptures of Judas were hidden away is because they conflict with everything the church has to say. Judas flatly even questioned Jesus about him being put in the same light as God and according to Judas (WHO WAS JESUS'S BEST FRIEND!) Jesus was worried about what he was starting becoming an abomination like the church has! I recommend you spend more time in a public library than your Church's library.

Who are the priests feeding you this crap? I bet you even tithe to them. So do they deserve the %15 the church demands of its faithful? P.T. Barnum said there is a sucker born every minute. For you to buy into this deception so deeply proves his axiom correct!

Are you even aware that under the Vatican is a vault containing the original scriptures and I mean all of them and they will not let historians study them under any circumstances. Historians have been trying for years to access the vault. It is guarded by Swiss guard who are very heavily armed. the Catholic Church has killed to protect 'their' version of the truth. So did YOU get to access the vault? Are YOU iterate in Latin, Greek, and Hebrew?

I will admit that I don't but I can safely say I know a litany of people who do in one form or another who would jump back flips getting access to the information hidden in that vault.

you sound JUST like a hard core Mormon. Oh! Jesus was born in Jackson County Mississippi and they got their foundation from some Golden tablets that nobody has seen because a Nephi took them back to heaven!

No wonder you don't have a GF!

And in that you have broken the chains that bind our children to our past foolishness!
You have made a very fantastic leap of evolution in thinking!
You have given your daughter a gift so many parents refuse their children and that is self discovery and guidance to that end.

You have my deepest heart felt praise!


It is unfortunate that EVERYONE acts in all ways towards self interest and rising above that is one of the greatest things we can do in our lives and that means rising above religion! This is also apparent in the way parents guide their children in light of THEIR own idealism even if they conflict with the person that is the child who seek their own way after about 12.

I think part of it is that parents do not like feeling their mortality as their children become self reliant and also parents have a hard time coping with the fact that eventually the Goslings will spread their wings and fly away. I think it is called 'empty nest syndrome.'