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Topic: Does Obama Know What He's Doing ?
think2deep's photo
Sun 03/15/09 03:35 PM
Edited by think2deep on Sun 03/15/09 03:36 PM

Like voting out many of the career politicians!


Like Pelosi!

I have no power to affect her reign. I don't live in Calif and therefore I have no vote to use against her.
Calif does however.

If they would exercise that vote we wouldn't have to see her anymore, and she couldn't affect Policies.

If Americans would stand together and vote out the career politicians from their states, Dem or Repub, then they all would stand up and listen to the people. If not then bring in a new batch!

United we stand, Divided we fail!


that's true, a lot of people ask, "just what is this pelosi about?" she votes against policies to help america and she votes with policies that will hurt america. the answer is that she is what is known in washington as an "israel firster" her loyalty lies with israel and not america. there are many of them in the house and the senate. in fact, rahm emanuel is an "israeli firster", he's spent time in the israeli army, his father was in the
IRGUN
definition:
shorthand for HaIrgun HaTzva'i HaLe'umi BeEretz Yisra'el, הארגון הצבאי הלאומי בארץ ישראל, "National Military Organization in the Land of Israel")

we need to start taking back america from israel. obama has vowed his loyalty and fealty to israel. mccain vowed the same thing, bush vowed it too, pelosi vowed it, john boehner vowed it, the list seems to never stop. the israelis will always come up with the most amount of money in a presidential election. they are the ones most concerned with the outcome. you should read the israeli websites when there is an election, they act as if they already know who it's going to be and their main concern is to get presidents in there that will be good for israel. israelis don't want a two part state. they want the palestinians to get out. but you hear all our presidents claim that they will work towards this peace process. it never happens.


one more thing that i want to pose to you unbeleivers of 9/11, why did bush say that osama bin laden wasn't a priority and he didn't care where he was?






"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001

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Sun 03/15/09 03:53 PM
by KerryO:
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See, I don't think government and taxes are nearly the enemy of business that they are made out to be. Not even unions, and not necessarily creeping socialism. What has done more businesses in has been the relentless parade of change as an entrepreneur we're almost forced to march in as if at gunpoint.


I know this isn't my question to you, but I wonder if you'd care to clarify?


Equally as deadly is the theft of intellectual property. Chances are if you come up with something revolutionary enough to effect a sea change in the economic landscape, the theft of the idea from places like China will do you far more damage than a politician. If, as they say, 'It Lifts All Boats', it probably will wash yours ashore if you're not agile, mean and lean. BTW, that's one venue in which the government can be your ally....


How would you define "intellectual property"?

Fanta46's photo
Sun 03/15/09 03:59 PM
An Idea or Innovation!

Theshortelktonman's photo
Sun 03/15/09 04:01 PM

by KerryO:
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See, I don't think government and taxes are nearly the enemy of business that they are made out to be. Not even unions, and not necessarily creeping socialism. What has done more businesses in has been the relentless parade of change as an entrepreneur we're almost forced to march in as if at gunpoint.


I know this isn't my question to you, but I wonder if you'd care to clarify?


Equally as deadly is the theft of intellectual property. Chances are if you come up with something revolutionary enough to effect a sea change in the economic landscape, the theft of the idea from places like China will do you far more damage than a politician. If, as they say, 'It Lifts All Boats', it probably will wash yours ashore if you're not agile, mean and lean. BTW, that's one venue in which the government can be your ally....


How would you define "intellectual property"?


Intellectual- a person who uses his/her intelligence and analytical thinking either in their profession or benefit of personal pursuits

Property- is any physical or virtual entity owned by an individual, or jointly by a group of individuals

I guess if you put the 2 together you get intellectual property?

damnitscloudy's photo
Sun 03/15/09 04:02 PM
I don't think anyone in Washing D.C. has an idea about what to do. My cats would do a better job than they are right now.

nogames39's photo
Sun 03/15/09 04:05 PM


Intellectual- a person who uses his/her intelligence and analytical thinking either in their profession or benefit of personal pursuits

Property- is any physical or virtual entity owned by an individual, or jointly by a group of individuals

I guess if you put the 2 together you get intellectual property?


Alright, so I am an intellectual, I hope you wouldn't deny that. I have this idea that I am going to approach this problem by posting the questions that I am posting.

Now, should you be prohibited from using the same approach in an argument from someone else?

think2deep's photo
Sun 03/15/09 04:27 PM
if you want to figure out where we are heading and see if these people really are your friends, look at where we are now, then look back onto history and find out how we got here, one thing you'll find that will pop out at ya pretty quick was blind faith in the government and president.

no photo
Sun 03/15/09 04:47 PM

or are you just trying to set me up for a driveby emoticon?


No, just a driveby... pitchfork

Theshortelktonman's photo
Sun 03/15/09 04:49 PM

if you want to figure out where we are heading and see if these people really are your friends, look at where we are now, then look back onto history and find out how we got here, one thing you'll find that will pop out at ya pretty quick was blind faith in the government and president.

AND RELIGION don forget that

KerryO's photo
Sun 03/15/09 05:38 PM

by KerryO:
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See, I don't think government and taxes are nearly the enemy of business that they are made out to be. Not even unions, and not necessarily creeping socialism. What has done more businesses in has been the relentless parade of change as an entrepreneur we're almost forced to march in as if at gunpoint.


I know this isn't my question to you, but I wonder if you'd care to clarify?



I do one better, I'll give you an example. In my work, I have to advise management about vendors being able to proficiently meet our requirements. Many times, I had to steer business away from people who seemed reputable and competent enough, but I couldn't give them the business because they couldn't build what I need from complicated CAD models. Sure, I could have spent a couple of days translating the models to flat drawings with umpteen views and detail breakouts, but that costs my company money that we can't charge for.

I can understand that not all of them can afford $10,000 for the software and the training. So, you might call this a $10,000/year Technological Progress Tax.





Equally as deadly is the theft of intellectual property. Chances are if you come up with something revolutionary enough to effect a sea change in the economic landscape, the theft of the idea from places like China will do you far more damage than a politician. If, as they say, 'It Lifts All Boats', it probably will wash yours ashore if you're not agile, mean and lean. BTW, that's one venue in which the government can be your ally....


How would you define "intellectual property"?


Mostly, patents and copyrights. Something someone spent a lot of money and heart in developing, only to be the pioneer that takes the arrow in the butt for his trouble when the knock-off artists stole his intellectual property, including his logo and sales strategies.

But the more sinister angle is companies like Microsoft getting patents on 'innovations' that are obvious iterations or deriatives of prior art they themselves didn't develop.

-Kerry O.





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Mon 03/16/09 11:10 AM
by KerryO:
I do one better, I'll give you an example. In my work, I have to advise management about vendors being able to proficiently meet our requirements. Many times, I had to steer business away from people who seemed reputable and competent enough, but I couldn't give them the business because they couldn't build what I need from complicated CAD models. Sure, I could have spent a couple of days translating the models to flat drawings with umpteen views and detail breakouts, but that costs my company money that we can't charge for.

I can understand that not all of them can afford $10,000 for the software and the training. So, you might call this a $10,000/year Technological Progress Tax.


AutoCAD, and other CAD products, especially Revit, have been gaining huge popularity lately. I see it with my own eyes. Even the stinkin government now requires submissions to be done in CAD.

However, I think you do miss one huge point. These tools, supposed to make one more productive. More productive means able to produce more with less effort. Before taking on a new technology, an entrepreneur should estimate it's impact on his business, and consider the ROI.

If a business is crumbling under the costs of new technology, then it seems to me that the increase in productivity did not happen, at least to the degree that it was originally estimated, if it was ever estimated. Either way, we have a business owner who doesn't need to be in the business he is in. He is either does not think before investing in technology, or he is incapable of doing that thinking correctly.

Like I have mentioned in the beginning of this post, there are also cases where the stinking government forces firms to comply with the standards they set. I agree that the stinking government should never ever be able to set any standards, beyond what they are allowed to set by the constitution, and that is weights, measures and money.

Unfortunately, we have more and more socialism. According to Von Mises, every new encroachment of stinkin government into the free market, will inevitably result in falling productivity, as either a responsibility was removed for decision making, or the decision making itself has been replaced by a decree.

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Mon 03/16/09 11:22 AM

Mostly, patents and copyrights. Something someone spent a lot of money and heart in developing, only to be the pioneer that takes the arrow in the butt for his trouble when the knock-off artists stole his intellectual property, including his logo and sales strategies.

But the more sinister angle is companies like Microsoft getting patents on 'innovations' that are obvious iterations or deriatives of prior art they themselves didn't develop.

-Kerry O.


You should be able to notice, that the same mechanism that is tasked with defining intellectual property right and enforcing them, is guilty of misusing the system by awarding patents improperly, and enforcing selectively.

Patents and copyrights did not made their appearance to enforce the rights of inventors, but instead, to enforce the government and church censure. I find it hard to expect this instrument to suddenly start working for entirely different purpose.

There is always a trade secret. Those with valuable ideas should just use trade secret approach and then there will be nothing to worry about. Of course the trade secret is incapable of protecting those who's inventions require to expose the content in order to make profit. But then, it seems that in such cases, the inventor should ask himself if his invention is anything but a collection of already exposed thoughts and concepts, and as such, already belongs to public domain.

Cinderella75's photo
Mon 03/16/09 11:32 AM
Well, he knows more than George W. Bush.

PearlNetworkAdmin's photo
Mon 03/16/09 11:38 AM
great more

No he doesn't

Yes he does

No you can't

Yes I can

No he didn't

Yes he did

ranting

does this ever get old.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/16/09 11:40 AM

great more

No he doesn't

Yes he does

No you can't

Yes I can

No he didn't

Yes he did

ranting

does this ever get old.


for a small amount of posts....you sure seem to know alot. hmmmmmmmmmmm an imposture maybe???? hiding behind a fake profile?

PearlNetworkAdmin's photo
Mon 03/16/09 11:51 AM
what does my intelligence have anything to do with my amount of post? I can read and make my own decisions right.

PearlNetworkAdmin's photo
Mon 03/16/09 11:54 AM
Personally I believe until his first year is up Obama shouldn't be judged on if he knows what he is doing or not. We didn't do it for Bush Sr., Clinton, or Bush Jr. and all of them didn't have half as many problems to deal with as Obama does but then again I don't know much because I haven't posted on here enough oh well.

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Mon 03/16/09 05:55 PM
quote]
by KerryO:
I do one better, I'll give you an example. In my work, I have to advise management about vendors being able to proficiently meet our requirements. Many times, I had to steer business away from people who seemed reputable and competent enough, but I couldn't give them the business because they couldn't build what I need from complicated CAD models. Sure, I could have spent a couple of days translating the models to flat drawings with umpteen views and detail breakouts, but that costs my company money that we can't charge for.

I can understand that not all of them can afford $10,000 for the software and the training. So, you might call this a $10,000/year Technological Progress Tax.


AutoCAD, and other CAD products, especially Revit, have been gaining huge popularity lately. I see it with my own eyes. Even the stinkin government now requires submissions to be done in CAD.

However, I think you do miss one huge point. These tools, supposed to make one more productive. More productive means able to produce more with less effort. Before taking on a new technology, an entrepreneur should estimate it's impact on his business, and consider the ROI.



That's true for as far as it goes. The rub is sometimes you can't always forecast changes in the variables that will adversely affect your ROI.

For instance, let's say you're walking a particularly tight price point to keep some business that, to get, you had to invest in one of the 3D modelling packages. Let's say it was Inventor.

Things are going well, the customer loves your engineering and is paying your invoices on time. But then you get the phone call that everyone dreads:

"We'd like to announce that we here at XYZ Co. have been bought out by The Evil Corporation and they are a SolidWorks shop. So, in the future, all ECOs and up-revs will have to be standarized on Solidworks."

So what do you do? Plunk down some megabucks for Solidworks, only to find a month later that the Purchasing Manager for The Evil Corporation is beating you up on price and/or is using the CAD issue to grind you down so he can give the business to another company who gives him a sweetheart deal? And have you make it easy for his sweetheart company to swipe your engineering lock, stock and barrell because it's now in his preferred format?

Argghhhhhh! I've seen it happen. And sometimes I have to squeeze my vendors because my customer is squeezing me.




If a business is crumbling under the costs of new technology, then it seems to me that the increase in productivity did not happen, at least to the degree that it was originally estimated, if it was ever estimated. Either way, we have a business owner who doesn't need to be in the business he is in. He is either does not think before investing in technology, or he is incapable of doing that thinking correctly.



Again, mostly true, but sometimes there are politics involved that muddy the waters inscrutably.


And sometimes, as is often said in the trade, "Perfection is the Enemy of Good Enough". If you are a big fish in a small pond doing simple work, you just might be able to stick to verbal descriptions and graph paper if it works for you.



-Kerry O.

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Mon 03/16/09 06:05 PM


Mostly, patents and copyrights. Something someone spent a lot of money and heart in developing, only to be the pioneer that takes the arrow in the butt for his trouble when the knock-off artists stole his intellectual property, including his logo and sales strategies.

But the more sinister angle is companies like Microsoft getting patents on 'innovations' that are obvious iterations or deriatives of prior art they themselves didn't develop.

-Kerry O.


You should be able to notice, that the same mechanism that is tasked with defining intellectual property right and enforcing them, is guilty of misusing the system by awarding patents improperly, and enforcing selectively.

Patents and copyrights did not made their appearance to enforce the rights of inventors, but instead, to enforce the government and church censure. I find it hard to expect this instrument to suddenly start working for entirely different purpose.




Ah yes, that post-modern nemesis, the lovable Patent Troll.

Something tells me if we were on a tee vee game show, and I gave the clue "Darl McBride" in the Lightning Round, you'd instantly say the correct answer: SCO! :)

-Kerry O., "Can we say 'Pump and Dump'?"

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Mon 03/16/09 06:06 PM
personally I prefer solidworks

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