Topic: Does Obama Know What He's Doing ?
Fanta46's photo
Sun 03/15/09 08:27 AM





it won't help. i don't care how you try to dress it up, you can't pay debt off with debt.


Who'd you learn that from?
Ron Paul slaphead

Or Harvard?rofl rofl rofl


Where exactly did you get your Master in economics again?
I forgot!!!noway noway


I keep forgetting too Fanta, what college did you received your Masters degree in economics (or any degree as far as that goes) from again? Anything beyond a GED would actually surprise me. (once again a series of rolling laughing emoticons aren't required)

I've never claimed to know better. That's between you and your friends.
I've always stated that I am not an economist. Im relying on the team of economic experts Obama has assembled to correct the Republican mess. That's why I voted for him, and I suspect that's why most Americans voted for him.
You and your little friends are the ones claiming economic expertise and exclaiming to know better.
You and your friends are the ones running around in circles claiming the sky is falling.
Just as you claim, (assume) that I have no education. (Technically-A clear violation of site rules)
I wouldnt be so anxious to place your assumptions on someone you know nothing about.
I would be careful what you place between ASS and U.

Now since you chose to park your ass in this conversation,
Where does your profound economic education originate?

4-H?

Oh, and I like my rolling emoticons!
rofl rofl rofl rofl


Just for Fun read it again!!drinker

think2deep's photo
Sun 03/15/09 08:37 AM
Edited by think2deep on Sun 03/15/09 08:38 AM





I keep forgetting too Fanta, what college did you received your Masters degree in economics (or any degree as far as that goes) from again? Anything beyond a GED would actually surprise me. (once again a series of rolling laughing emoticons aren't required)


I've never claimed to know better. That's between you and your friends.
I've always stated that I am not an economist. Im relying on the team of economic experts Obama has assembled to correct the Republican mess. That's why I voted for him, and I suspect that's why most Americans voted for him.
You and your little friends are the ones claiming economic expertise and exclaiming to know better.
You and your friends are the ones running around in circles claiming the sky is falling.
Just as you claim, (assume) that I have no education. (Technically-A clear violation of site rules)
I wouldnt be so anxious to place your assumptions on someone you know nothing about.
I would be careful what you place between ASS and U.

Now since you chose to park your ass in this conversation,
Where does your profound economic education originate?

4-H?

Oh, and I like my rolling emoticons!
rofl rofl rofl rofl


"I've never claimed to know better". Yes, in my opinion you've proven that on multiple occasions on a myriad of threads (but that's besides the point); However, I don't see where anyone else claims to be an economist by education or training here either. I merely asked the same question of you that you did of someone else. I've never accused you of possessing intellectual honesty. In regards to this "republican mess", I still can't, not until you can acknowledge complicity with the democratic party. I don't recall asking who you voted for or your rationalizations for doing so but thank you for thinking I would actually care.

I would ask you to compare Obama's "plan" to your personal life (I really don't want to know, just something for you and others to think about). In financially troubling times, do you find yourself spending more money or less? (Obama/congress: more). Would you take out loans and run up credit card bills to pay the mortgage or rent HOPING you'd remain employed long enough to pay them off/back or just declare bankruptcy? (Obama/congress: further devaluing the currency/bankruptcy). HOPE a sugar momma/daddy will bail you out? (Obama/congress: Other countries like China). Lastly, Do you tell customers at the business you work for not to buy a product that you have a vested interest in? (Obama: "Don't go to Vegas").

I notice instead of answering the question of academic creditals the topic quickly changes and assumption of a defensive posture. "I would be careful what you place between ASS and U". For someone who is "relying (more like depending)on the Obama team"... I would say it would be your nose and lips (in a muffled voice saying "please Obama bail me out".

You're pretty close on your guess as per where my economic credentials originated. It's tie between 4H and a paper route. I learned then if I gave away newspapers, I wouldn't earn a penny and have to rely upon my parents for spending money. 4H taught personal responsibility, if I didn't take care of the things I had, I lost them. Unlike you, I'd be more than willing to elaborate upon my economic experience as an entrepreneur and the several adult continuing education classes in business and economics.

Emoticons... the intellectually poor mans crutch. In your case though, it's a wheelchair.




Bee / Gio
2112 drinks



Pete/Repeat 2112!!:drinks

noway noway noway noway

A self-assumption of intelligence does not make it so.

Im not going to take the braggart road and announce my academic profile to you, or my experience as an entrepreneur.
Just suffice it to say that it is more than a 4-H certificate or a basket on the handle-bars of my bicycle when I was 12. I will also say that my intelligence has been tested beyond the requirements for continued education classes.
While I could tell you, many on here including myself would consider it bragging, so I wont be so vain as you attempt to be. I will leave it at this statement instead.
If you cant tell simply by my posts then your comprehension level is obviously below the HS level!
Now I understand why all your posts resort to lame ass personal attacks. You have nothing else in your portfolio.
You are the only one I know who can type half a page and never really say anything. Is that the best you can come up with in a 12 hour period?
Take a piece of paper with you the next time you go milk the cows so you can scribble down thoughts as they occur. It might help!


ok fanta, with your, "tested beyond the requirements or continued education classes" which means that they said that you were probably eligible to take college courses, but apparently you didn't since you used the above statement. anyone can use big words and maybe even understand what they mean, but it doesn't mean that you know any more than book that you are reading. it's called intuition. intuition mixed with intellect out trumps just plain ole intellect any day. oh and i do have a college degree by the way. but i haven't heard you tackle how we are going to pay back the federal reserve and come out on top, shining and smiling. please explain this to me.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 03/15/09 08:57 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sun 03/15/09 09:02 AM
Congradulations on your degree T2d!drinker

I get mine May 15!!! Im a late bloomer, but I will graduate Phi-beta-kappa!!!
Until now experience, common sense, and intuition is all Ive had. Yet Ive always been successful in my endeavors.
It was good enough to rise to the rank of Sgt in the US Infantry and later secure enough construction contracts to stay in business for 20 yrs.
Refusing to employ illegal immigrants to secure lower bids is what caused me to throw in that towel. (Ethics-I am not a hypocrite)

I know Ive said this at least a dozen times, but here it goes again. I am not and economist, and I don't claim to be. My education is in hard-knocks, hard work, experience, and electronics.

I do not second guess the experts and I am 100% confidant in the team Obama has assembled to advise him.
Obama Is a LEADER!
You see, even he admits that he isn't an economic genius. Therefore he has assembled a Presidential Economic Advisory Board!



Fanta46's photo
Sun 03/15/09 09:13 AM
Common sense, intuition, and experience tells me that running around in circles exclaiming the sky is falling will not help!

think2deep's photo
Sun 03/15/09 09:24 AM
Edited by think2deep on Sun 03/15/09 09:25 AM

I do not second guess the experts and I am 100% confidant in the team Obama has assembled to advise him.






that statement in itself is a very scary one and anyone perusing this post will agree with me. you just gave me the win. thank you. but on another subject, the fact that you are so easily geared towards making lite of the situation by blowing it out of proportion, accusing those of us who have actually studied this problem of yelling that the sky is falling. is an attack that can't be refuted only because it is so kindergartenish. in fact, it's so unintelligent, that most people with the tendency to think on those lower levels will grab upon it and expound it like a bunch of crazy children of the corn movie.

Theshortelktonman's photo
Sun 03/15/09 09:26 AM
With the devout blessings of Morningsongs and the combined brotherhood of mirrormirror and theshortelktonman I come to you now follow blindlessly and ignorant to the truth as we lead you to a politcal revolution. John F Reagan and Ronald Kennedy will lead us against the Nazi, communist, socialist, baby killing, canaibals, who support the Hamas Al Queada jihad liberation terrorist movement of South Korea Indochina. Come and follow with relentless compassion and hate those not like us and kill in the name of him who shall not be seen.

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Sun 03/15/09 09:27 AM

With the devout blessings of Morningsongs and the combined brotherhood of mirrormirror and theshortelktonman I come to you now follow blindlessly and ignorant to the truth as we lead you to a politcal revolution. John F Reagan and Ronald Kennedy will lead us against the Nazi, communist, socialist, baby killing, canaibals, who support the Hamas Al Queada jihad liberation terrorist movement of South Korea Indochina. Come and follow with relentless compassion and hate those not like us and kill in the name of him who shall not be seen.


seriously....you posting all these spams in every thread is getting old

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Sun 03/15/09 09:31 AM
Edited by Theshortelktonman on Sun 03/15/09 09:34 AM


With the devout blessings of Morningsongs and the combined brotherhood of mirrormirror and theshortelktonman I come to you now follow blindlessly and ignorant to the truth as we lead you to a politcal revolution. John F Reagan and Ronald Kennedy will lead us against the Nazi, communist, socialist, baby killing, canaibals, who support the Hamas Al Queada jihad liberation terrorist movement of South Korea Indochina. Come and follow with relentless compassion and hate those not like us and kill in the name of him who shall not be seen.


seriously....you posting all these spams in every thread is getting old


actually all the threads are about the same thing all the time anyway so how is it any different this one is actually as different from my last one that was about Santa Clause and the easter bunny as this thread is from the thread that is about obamas poll numbers droping which just proves my point that extremist on both sides will continue to post the same thing over and over maybe slightly different that the last but with the same meaning until they can beat their view into you even though it may not be true.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 03/15/09 09:34 AM


I do not second guess the experts and I am 100% confidant in the team Obama has assembled to advise him.






that statement in itself is a very scary one and anyone perusing this post will agree with me. you just gave me the win. thank you. but on another subject, the fact that you are so easily geared towards making lite of the situation by blowing it out of proportion, accusing those of us who have actually studied this problem of yelling that the sky is falling. is an attack that can't be refuted only because it is so kindergartenish. in fact, it's so unintelligent, that most people with the tendency to think on those lower levels will grab upon it and expound it like a bunch of crazy children of the corn movie.


LOL
Only those who have never lived or never read your posts with their uninformed conspiracy theories.

Anyone with common sense could see your motives, and know that you could study the economics of the USA for years but, still have Zero knowledge, compared to those on Obama's team who have placed a lifetime of experience into it!

Sometimes T2d it is best to pick your fights where you have at least a small hope of winning!

Theshortelktonman's photo
Sun 03/15/09 09:38 AM


With the devout blessings of Morningsongs and the combined brotherhood of mirrormirror and theshortelktonman I come to you now follow blindlessly and ignorant to the truth as we lead you to a politcal revolution. John F Reagan and Ronald Kennedy will lead us against the Nazi, communist, socialist, baby killing, canaibals, who support the Hamas Al Queada jihad liberation terrorist movement of South Korea Indochina. Come and follow with relentless compassion and hate those not like us and kill in the name of him who shall not be seen.


seriously....you posting all these spams in every thread is getting old



though this time I didn't spam it I posted it once than it got posted again when you quoted me to say it was getting old then got posted again when I posted your quote to show the simmularity in my post and the other threads in these forums

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/15/09 09:39 AM
slaphead ANYWAY........

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Sun 03/15/09 09:42 AM
actually all the threads are about the same thing all the time anyway


actually all these threads are the same argument between the same two or three people. no matter what the OP is about

catwoman96's photo
Sun 03/15/09 09:43 AM
omg...are we still talking about santa claus??


Theshortelktonman's photo
Sun 03/15/09 09:43 AM

slaphead ANYWAY........


so thank you for helping spread the word.

Theshortelktonman's photo
Sun 03/15/09 09:45 AM

omg...are we still talking about santa claus??




nope this time it is John F Reagan and Ronald Kennedy

catwoman96's photo
Sun 03/15/09 09:51 AM
its ran this long.............heres the OP



I give you...my friend...**** Morris...

Conservatives are so aghast at the huge spending going on in Washington and the $1.75 trillion deficit (13 percent of our gross domestic product) it is causing them to overlook an even more basic question about the president: Is he competent? Does he know what he is doing?

To be specific: Does he know how to do anything other than spend money? His stimulus package, of course, took no special ability. He left the details of the projects up to the House Democrats, who are more than willing to fill in the blanks. But his two other major initiatives -- his banking and mortgage relief plans -- are both flawed and highly unlikely to solve their respective problems. Indeed, they are so wide of the mark that one has to ask if Obama is not only a radical but also an incompetent.

The bank bailout plan seems to be largely stillborn. Having wished that the private sector would flock to invest in toxic assets if they are offered the right incentives, the treasury secretary is still hoping. Crossing his fingers seems to have replaced effective policy in his planning. To date, no massive infusion of private sector capital seems in view, and Washington is doing little more than writing checks on its overdrawn account to prop up the failing banks. That doesn't take a genius. But the difficult task of relieving the banks of toxic assets so they can rekindle the flow of loans seems to be beyond the ability of the president and his administration.

But conservatives can dismiss the utter failure of Obama's bank rescue plan, saying that he doesn't really want it to succeed. He probably wants to nationalize the banks -- and never let them go. But he can't say that, yet, and has to make a good show of doing all he can to rescue them before swallowing them whole.

But then came Obama's mortgage rescue plan, an equally flawed proposal. Clearly, Obama, liberal that he is, wants his rescue plan to work. He is anxious to bail out homeowners facing foreclosure. Those are his constituents, after all. But the mortgage rescue plan he has proposed will fall far short of the mark.

Incredibly, it excludes anyone who has lost their job and can't afford to make their payments, even if they were to spend 31 percent of their income trying to do so. If you can't come close to affording your mortgage, even if only because of a hopefully temporary loss of employment, forget about it. Obama is not going to help you.

Nor will he help you if your mortgage exceeds your home's value. One out of five mortgages now fall into this category. Obviously, the fall in property values occasioned by the depression will put more and more homeowners in this category. Certainly, a great many of those who need relief to keep their homes find that the amount of their loan exceeds the value of the underlying house and land. But they can expect no help from Obama's rescue plan.

Why would a liberal be so callous? Why would he leave so many out in the cold? Could it be that Obama simply lacks the competence to figure out how to help these folks? Could it be that he cannot devise a counter to his financial advisors who presumably wanted to exclude these folks?

And ... who induced these poor folks to buy homes they couldn't afford, anyway? It was the Clinton administration's Housing and Urban Development Secretary Henry Cisneros who urged Fannie Mae to spend 42 percent of its money buying mortgages for lower-income people and who suggested that they no longer require down payments. And it was his successor, Andrew Cuomo, who upped the ante to 50 percent of the Fannie portfolio. After Democrats inveigled people to buy homes they cannot afford, how can they justify passing a plan that excludes them from assistance?

It appears that Obama is at sea when it comes to financial policy, economic recovery planning and credit rescue efforts. We are not only stuck with a radical and a socialist, but possibly an incompetent one at that!


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Sun 03/15/09 09:54 AM

It appears that Obama is at sea when it comes to financial policy, economic recovery planning and credit rescue efforts. We are not only stuck with a radical and a socialist, but possibly an incompetent one at that!


I particulary agree with this last line

think2deep's photo
Sun 03/15/09 10:30 AM



I do not second guess the experts and I am 100% confidant in the team Obama has assembled to advise him.






that statement in itself is a very scary one and anyone perusing this post will agree with me. you just gave me the win. thank you. but on another subject, the fact that you are so easily geared towards making lite of the situation by blowing it out of proportion, accusing those of us who have actually studied this problem of yelling that the sky is falling. is an attack that can't be refuted only because it is so kindergartenish. in fact, it's so unintelligent, that most people with the tendency to think on those lower levels will grab upon it and expound it like a bunch of crazy children of the corn movie.


LOL
Only those who have never lived or never read your posts with their uninformed conspiracy theories.

Anyone with common sense could see your motives, and know that you could study the economics of the USA for years but, still have Zero knowledge, compared to those on Obama's team who have placed a lifetime of experience into it!

Sometimes T2d it is best to pick your fights where you have at least a small hope of winning!



so you win by the mere statement "i win!!" hmmm, that's an interesting way of looking at it. if you could actually look at what is happening with our economics, it's not hard at all. look past all of the detail that they try to surround you with. it is working. you are actually drowning in the detail.
cutting and pasting what the experts are saying isn't doing anything for ya. if you take all of the fancy words and details away, you end up with one thing. we are borrowing money from the federal reserve at an interest. that is no conpiracy. that is written in the federal resrve's own manual called the money market mechanics. the reas0n they keep adding more and more detail to it all of the time is to keep anyone from just stopping and looking at how simple the big picture is. if you really are intersted in learning about it i can refer some good sources. but if you just don't care and are more geared toward instilling opinions that aren't based on all the facts. then i can't do anything for ya.

think2deep's photo
Sun 03/15/09 11:14 AM

Congradulations on your degree T2d!drinker

I get mine May 15!!! Im a late bloomer, but I will graduate Phi-beta-kappa!!!
Until now experience, common sense, and intuition is all Ive had. Yet Ive always been successful in my endeavors.
It was good enough to rise to the rank of Sgt in the US Infantry and later secure enough construction contracts to stay in business for 20 yrs.
Refusing to employ illegal immigrants to secure lower bids is what caused me to throw in that towel. (Ethics-I am not a hypocrite)

I know Ive said this at least a dozen times, but here it goes again. I am not and economist, and I don't claim to be. My education is in hard-knocks, hard work, experience, and electronics.

I do not second guess the experts and I am 100% confidant in the team Obama has assembled to advise him.
Obama Is a LEADER!
You see, even he admits that he isn't an economic genius. Therefore he has assembled a Presidential Economic Advisory Board!






this is what it says about the phi beta kappa. if you look back on your posts and see all of the chicken little remarks, and sky is falling remarks and your little way of trying to defeat a subject with a little emoticon. i would say that you are phibbing about your phi beta kappa. your record on this site would get you kicked out of the phi beta kappa.

notice i underlined the part that would definitely send you a packin.


'The ideal Phi Beta Kappan has demonstrated intellectual integrity, tolerance for other views, and a broad range of academic interests. Each year, about one college senior in a hundred, nationwide, is invited to join Phi Beta Kappa.'

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Sun 03/15/09 11:15 AM
huh