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on the flip side...I do have a nemesis named madman...but through some mutual respect (i guess) we are able to discuss issues.
although im sure he doesnt listen to a thing I say... I didnt vote for Obama.....some people take that personally |
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Edited by
quiet_2008
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Sun 03/15/09 01:52 PM
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T2....i tried to help you out in the beginning....but when you started bashing people but yet complained that others where picking on you....i let it go. not to mention when you blamed me for other peoples actions Yep, he bashes people. They don't even need to provoke him. All they have to do is have a different opinion than his. that and the constant "sky is falling" ranting has pretty much ruined the political threads here. No one can discuss anything without it getting hijacked back to the "sky is falling" argument |
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quiet2008 also seems very intelligent witohut swinging too far to one side....
im just turning this disrespectful thread into something..... report me if you want....BUT i still think Obama is sooo WEIRD!!!!! |
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i didn't vote for him either....but time will tell if he knows what he is doing
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you have never, not even one time tried to discuss my views, you only attacked them from the very first day i started on this forum. ask rose, i emailed her about it. not one time have you even tried to discuss it intelligently. you put me on the defensive right off the bat with little phrases such as "chicken little" and "the sky is falling" that is an offensive tactic, that once you say it enough times others get on the band wagon. there is nothing fair about it. but if all of this is because i came into your little hen house which you have ruled for close to 2 and a half years now. i know how it works, come in low and wound em before they can come on and actually take your spot. it's classic because i wasn't expecting you to do that so i had no defense for it. but that's ok, because i have taught some people on here despite your little below the waste maneuver. I have experienced this myself, and I have know these tactics for very long. But, my friend, you can't allow yourself to pay attention to it. Keep yourself where you belong. Do only what is honorable and right. As for those who fight as weak, do not allow them to drag yourself to their level, as there, they will beat you with sheer experience. Ive tried to ignore all y'all nonsensical ramblings nogames. 
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Edited by
think2deep
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Sun 03/15/09 01:59 PM
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T2....i tried to help you out in the beginning....but when you started bashing people but yet complained that others where picking on you....i let it go. not to mention when you blamed me for other peoples actions Yep, he bashes people. They don't even need to provoke him. All they have to do is have a different opinion than his. that and the constant "sky is falling" ranting has pretty much ruined the political threads here. No one can discuss anything without it getting hijacked back to the "sky is falling" argument that's true, the thread doesn't even get to flourish into what could be an intelligent thread with people bringing up intelligent views or rebuttals before these little below the belt tactics come in and tear it up. |
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You're pretty close on your guess as per where my economic credentials originated. It's tie between 4H and a paper route. I learned then if I gave away newspapers, I wouldn't earn a penny and have to rely upon my parents for spending money. 4H taught personal responsibility, if I didn't take care of the things I had, I lost them. Unlike you, I'd be more than willing to elaborate upon my economic experience as an entrepreneur and the several adult continuing education classes in business and economics. Ok, then I have some questions-- Did you object to Reagan's use of Keynesian principles (which tripled the national debt, BTW) to pull us out of the early 80's downturn, and if so, why are you so adamantly opposed to Obama's plan to do some of the same? Is it just a partisan thing or not? Wasn't what's happening now a classic case of the Bigger Fool Theory? As an entrepreneur myself for a lot of years, my instincts about it always panned out. I avoided the bloodbath of '87 and have rented for a lot years, knowing that any equity I built up by buying a house with cheap money in a ghastly overpriced market was a soap bubble begging to be pricked. I also know that as an entrepreneur that when the Big Boys step in, they often turn a good thing into Profitless Prosperity, often leaving the suckers...oh wait, excuse me... the SHAREHOLDERS holding the bag by trying to convince them that trees indeed can grow into heaven, even while they collect on their stock options, bailout bonuses and insider trading. Finally, (and if this doesn't get you rolling on the floor laughing, nothing will:) maybe in some small, misguided way, what Obama is doing is like venture capitalism-- betting political capital on the idea that not allowing the whole economic structure to burn down is a good investment that will pay dividends after some really harrowing times. -Kerry O. Considering I was in the transition of graduating high school and entering college when Reagan had become president, my economic concerns/thoughts for the country were elsewhere at the time. It's my belief and understanding that most if not all administrations going back as far as Roosevelt (the most noteable) have employed Keynesian principles to one degree or another (in regards to government intervention in business and markets to provide stability). In very limited cases, I would agree this is necessary (E.G. AIG). My opposition lies in the priciples of "nationalization" (even limited)of certain institutions and a unshakeable belief in "supply and demand" without subsidization (and intereference). So safe to say in matters of economics I'm non-partisan. I support whatever person/party that seeks to steal and interfere with my economic interests the least. Yes, I operate under the delusion that it's entrepreneurs who actually control (or should control) the economic engine/conditions that drives this country and not politicians. If I were truly partisan, I would point and laugh at the Dow-Jones and say "This is businesses response to the Obama/Geitner plan", but know that wouldn't be completely honest. I couldn't agree more with your "Bigger Fool Theory" observation (and disappointed with myself for not thinking of that analogy myself). The best description to date in my opinion, great call. I would agree, great instincts are imperative to success in any business venture (there is much truth to the saying "it's better to be lucky (intuitive) than smart"). My realm is in manufacturing (with an online database side business, and a few profitable hobbies as well). Small business entrepreneurs like ourselves understand and accept the natural cycles of business, it's the job of people like brokers to convince "investors" these things don't ever occur. I believe sometimes it's best not to do anything (as in letting businesses succeed or fail on their own merits) and like water will seek it's own level (basically a Thomas Sowell/Walter E. Williams philosophy). "Profitless Prosperity" says it all and I can't find one single flaw in your assertions. What compounds the problem in my opinion we have the weasels (politicians) guarding the chicken coop as well (protectors of nest eggs). The only way I can see an individual prospering, is to control ones own investments as much as possible (it's that pesky assumption of personal responsibility indocrination kicking in again). Legalized theft has been accepted for so long, it almost becomes a non-issue to some... welcomed by others who believe they will benefit/profit in some way (at the cost of those who strive for personal success). Thanks for the laugh in your last paragraph. In all seriousness though- I believe you're really on to something there. Great post! Here's to wealth and prosperity built upon our own merits. A little off topic but I'd be curious to hear your input on the following hypothetical situation. You own a manufacturing facility in the US. You've already jumped through the plethora of hoops to comply with a multitude of governmental alphabet agencies (from local to the federal level) and deal with all typical business concerns and are well established. You believe the successful business you started with your own capital and literally with your own two hands is being threatened (E.G. further government regulations/restrictions/demands, employees wanting to unionize, ect.). You were presented with an opportunity to have your product manufactured overseas or south of the border. What would you do and why? Bee / Gio 2112 
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first of all, you are quoting the wrong kind of physics, maybe that's the only one you know. i won't get into the physics debate since that is obviously your way of dancing around the issue. That would be wise, since that 'only one I know' is probably one more than yours and a walk across the ocean of yours barely got my shoes wet. Whereas mine has kept me in jobs or business year after year and I usually manage to double my compensation on every job I've ever held with 5 years. N' you? Besides, you thought that an employer matched each and every dollar paid to the government in taxes a few theads back until I corrected you. Really evil of me to remind you of that, but if you're going to throw beanballs, expect a little chin music to come back your way. And if you want to make comments like: what i will say is that if you do have any schooling, Yeah, I understand that the Zionists are in dark league with the Federal Reserve and it's everybody else's fault but yours, but playing the Amazing Kreskin and making snarky repartee on the Internet is a poor substitute for actually getting out their and beating the bricks. you probably believe this about the federal reserve: "It was founded by Congress in 1913 to provide the nation with a safer, more flexible, and more stable monetary and financial system." the above statement could not be farther from the truth. you're trying to look at this situation on a smaller scale. i'm looking at it from a larger scale. when we borrow the money from the federal reserve. we have to pay it back with interest, only the federal reserve doesn't print the interest. our dollar has lost 96% of it's value in the 96 years that the federal reserve has been in place. and it's still devaluing. this is because we keep borrowing more and more money from the federal reserve. inflating the money supply. i'm laughing at you when you think that borrowing more money from the lone sharks called the federal reserve, is going to make everything straighten back out. the borrowing of the money has led to the devaluation of our dollar. with this bailout crap it will devaluate quicker than normal. soon we will have no value on money. that's why the prices keep going up and businesses call it adjusting for inflation. That's 'loan' sharks, and those 'lone' sharks were the Lone Ranger in preventing a catastrophic run on the banks. Desperate straits call for desperate measures, and NO ONE is saying this should go on in perpetuity. -Kerry O. |
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i think its kinda funny how some people get over worked by what they think they know but havent spent one day in the position to gain any experience..i'm sure there are alot of things that we arent told or that we are unable to see in our clearly omnipotent state (sarcasm)..half the time we are disinformed and the other half of the time we are uniformed and with this vast knowledge,we permit ourselves the illusion that we actually know something....when in fact we dont..and thats just how the government likes it.. .....unknown...jmo |
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i think its kinda funny how some people get over worked by what they think they know but havent spent one day in the position to gain any experience..i'm sure there are alot of things that we arent told or that we are unable to see in our clearly omnipotent state (sarcasm)..half the time we are disinformed and the other half of the time we are uniformed and with this vast knowledge,we permit ourselves the illusion that we actually know something....when in fact we dont..and thats just how the government likes it.. .....unknown...jmo ooooooooo I like that statement. 
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 BUT.....
im thinking that I have learned much on these forums... and that is through the intelligence of people like T2D, nogames, drivemenutz, willing2, raiderfan, beeorganic seems very intelligent and extermely witty...... these guys all seriously want to teach others..and dont seem strongly affiliated with either politcal side. people cant attack eachother for low blows...when THEY do the same. its ridiculous. only winx is exempt. Ive never seen her attach ANYONE I try my best, Cat. I feel like T2 bashes me though. |
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LOL,
When the thread starts out as BS it is sure to go down the toilet. Don't blame me for flushing it! Catwoman mentioned only those who continue to bash Obama for no reason. All 4 of you! 
The man has only been in office for two months, but y'all started in on him after one day. Your bashing and the reasons make no sense other than you are poor losers who just don't like that your candidate lost. When you start insulting me and others don't expect me to talk reasonably to you. That means you T2D! I know y'all wished everyone who disagrees with you and fails to fall for your propaganda would just go away, but that wont happen! Y'all are the minority here and in America. Some of you have even publicly announced that you wish for Obama to fail.LMAO How un-American of you! |
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T2....i tried to help you out in the beginning....but when you started bashing people but yet complained that others where picking on you....i let it go. not to mention when you blamed me for other peoples actions Yep, he bashes people. They don't even need to provoke him. All they have to do is have a different opinion than his. i just have no patience for certain types of people. Still, that's no excuse for bashing people. It's called adult behavior. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Sun 03/15/09 02:10 PM
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T2....i tried to help you out in the beginning....but when you started bashing people but yet complained that others where picking on you....i let it go. not to mention when you blamed me for other peoples actions Yep, he bashes people. They don't even need to provoke him. All they have to do is have a different opinion than his. that and the constant "sky is falling" ranting has pretty much ruined the political threads here. No one can discuss anything without it getting hijacked back to the "sky is falling" argument I know. It's been showing up in sooo many threads. Heavy sigh. |
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Edited by
catwoman96
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Sun 03/15/09 02:14 PM
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LOL, When the thread starts out as BS it is sure to go down the toilet. Don't blame me for flushing it! Catwoman mentioned only those who continue to bash Obama for no reason. All 4 of you!
The man has only been in office for two months, but y'all started in on him after one day. Your bashing and the reasons make no sense other than you are poor losers who just don't like that your candidate lost. When you start insulting me and others don't expect me to talk reasonably to you. That means you T2D! I know y'all wished everyone who disagrees with you and fails to fall for your propaganda would just go away, but that wont happen! Y'all are the minority here and in America. Some of you have even publicly announced that you wish for Obama to fail.LMAO How un-American of you! fanta i didnt mention you...although Im SURE you are intelligent...but ever since you called me a dumb blonde...i dont pay nearly as much attention to your posts and some of those people DONT bash Obama. OMG...madman campaigned FOR him |
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winx, i'm not stupid and i know when you are gracefully attacking me. this isn't a new trick. but what i do is retaliate. period.
here is an idea 
let's try not to suppose that everyone is exactly the same. let's suppose that certain people like myself have a gift for research. let's suppose that i'm just not good at getting it all out on a tiny little forum and the small amount i could wouldn't prove anything one way or the other. let's suppose that if i could somehow plant all of the evidence in sequence from every aspect of my life since i was a child, then you would be able to see it. let's suppose that i have a gift for seeing past the crap that people put out there to throw others off the track. let's suppose that there are many many resources that can't be gotten off the web that i have researched. to just blow it away as conspiracy pisses me off. you read too many debunk sites that just infer that the situation is debunked but have no actual proof. because for some people, all someone has to do is say it's debunked and the doubting thomas' will rise and cheer and flash the words around for all to see, all without actually reading how it was debunked. if you don't understand the debunk itself, don't post it with your name on it. |
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Obama sucks.He is a liberal moron and does not care that we are losing jobs and bailing out everyone.He needs to get the hell out.We need a conservative republican,not a liberal devil.Obama-you SUCK!
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Obama sucks.He is a liberal moron and does not care that we are losing jobs and bailing out everyone.He needs to get the hell out.We need a conservative republican,not a liberal devil.Obama-you SUCK! well, what would you do if you knew the dollar has devalued 96% in 96 years and we only have four more years till it's 100% devalued if it keeps going the same way. and what if you knew that the reason for the dollar devaluation was from borrowing way too much from the federal reserve, what would you do? |
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Y'all are the minority here and in America....you're kiddin' me right ?...the only reason Obama won...was just like the Pink Panther...he left no footprints...not to mention that in this election cycle...any Dem would have won...and...NO Republican could have one...this country is center right...middle to upper middle class...white and suburbanite...through and through...
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sun 03/15/09 02:16 PM
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LOL, When the thread starts out as BS it is sure to go down the toilet. Don't blame me for flushing it! Catwoman mentioned only those who continue to bash Obama for no reason. All 4 of you!
The man has only been in office for two months, but y'all started in on him after one day. Your bashing and the reasons make no sense other than you are poor losers who just don't like that your candidate lost. When you start insulting me and others don't expect me to talk reasonably to you. That means you T2D! I know y'all wished everyone who disagrees with you and fails to fall for your propaganda would just go away, but that wont happen! Y'all are the minority here and in America. Some of you have even publicly announced that you wish for Obama to fail.LMAO How un-American of you! fanta i didnt mention you...although Im SURE you are intelligent...but ever since you called me a dumb blonde...i dont pay nearly as much attention to your posts Those weren't my words. How Republican of you to twist words. If you can show me where I used those words, I'll apologize! You know if you guys didn't run around exclaiming that the sky is falling all the time. You would never hear the comparison to Chicken-Little. Next thing you'll say is its my fault McCain lost the election??? Ok, I'll accept partial credit for that one!!! YAY!!!!!! Barack The House Baby!!! |
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