never heard of a safe? a responsible gun owner is accountable for the whereabouts of all his weapons at all times. if you leave one out where a little kid can get at it, you need to have your head examined! if it's not on you, it should be in your safe if little hands and feet are about. but still.. the greatest danger children face from firearms is their parents insisting on kerping them ignorantof them. Responsible gun owners teach their children about them and, when they're old enough, how to use them. if you're a 12 yr old by and you've never shot a .22 or a 410, or been taught how or where and why to use a firearm, i'd consider that kind of a shame.

For instance, I was surrounded with firearms when I was growing up.
My dad had numerous handguns and so called "assault weapons" , meaning simply an AK-47 rifle and such, hunting rifles and shotguns.

I knew where they all are. I was expressly prohibited from handling any of the firearms in his absence. There never were any locks on anything.

I have never once touched any firearm, because my dad said no.

I was taken out for hunting, and was shown how to use arms properly.


Now, what is the problem with kids and guns?

I say it is not the guns or locks or kids. It is the parents.

your fathers ak-47 . fully automatic?

Yes. He was a LEO

i do agree with responsible gun ownership . and i raise my kids to treat everygun like it is loaded . however . my arguement has not been against responsible gun ownership it is against the ownership of assault weapons . armor peircing rounds , and explosives . you average citizen has no use for a assault rifle or landmine . or even a silencer . i am a proud responsible gun owner but the line does have to be drawn somewhere .

let me ask you a question was that weapon used for anything other then target shooting . a fully automatic was designed to fire off as many rounds as quickly as possible with the single pull of a trigger . i forget what the rate of fire of an ak is but i will look it up . what is the purpose of anyone other then millitary or police to own a weapon like that ?

suppression fire or evil coffee cans, zombies..

the cops in that video of katrina didn't look like zombies to me. dan, those cops didn't get in trouble, they did their job. they were given wide berth to do these attrocities. in fact, they had to sign, along with the national guard, a contract that stated that they would shoot a civilian if said civilian refused to relinquish any weapons stored in their home.

that aside . the rate of fire of an ak-47 is 600 rounds per min. for the average citizen to own a weapon like that is hanous . most civilians who use there weapons for hunting and target shooting wouldnt even know how to handle a weapon like that and do more damage then good . in the millitary we had to train with these weapons on a regular basis , and requalify with them every year just to handle them . why does our average citizen need a weapon like that ? these WEAPONS are not like you see on rambo they are not that easy to controll . they are designed to kill as many people possible as quickly as possible

There is no reason for the average citizen to need a weapon like that.

There is no reason for the average citizen to need a weapon like that.

you can't.. and Dan shouldn't have mislead you to think that the average joe can get his hands on a full auto ak47.. it would run you many thousands of dollars if you could even find one. that's before the federal tax stamps and the atf registrations and blah blah blah.

you can get a semi automatic look alike but it's nothing like the real thing, afaik.. but a nifty little rifle in it's own right. not all that accurate from what I've see but worth having.

there are already laws against owning mines and grenades and claymores and all that stuff. various tax stamp acts have made owning anything f/a almomst impossible for the law abiding joe.

so you call an ar-15 an assault rifle? you think I shouldn't own one? why not? they're fun to shoot, easy to work on, ammo's widely available (until recently), they're accurate and it'll come in handy in case of a zombie apocalypse.

if you're after street gangs' guns, go after the street gangs and leave the citizen alone for once..

what I was saying was that the implication seemed to be that absent a renewal of the assault weapons ban that full auto ak's and m4's are lining the shelves of gun shops and gun show tables around the country and that just isn't the case.

I wasn't trying to impune you, Dan. It just seemed that some people took what you were saying the wrong way. I was just pointing out that the most heinous weapons that you mention are far beyong the reach of the average joe on the street..

I must be missing the news footage of the nightly shootouts in the streets of America where cops are routinely outgunned by roving gangs of automatic weapon-wielding concealed handgun license holders...

please... anyone even modestly familiar with the issue related to the second amendment knows that all these "gun bans" are designed to do is erode the rights of law abiding citizens, see Chicago, New York and DC. cops and criminals are the only ones with a weapon and the rest are left defenseless against both.

i think that the government shouldn't even have enough power to know whether or not i even have a gun!!!!

still way too much government.

yeah, but it's still none of their business. give an inch, they take a mile. it's got to start somewhere doesn't it?