Unless we revolt against the government as stated in our consitution. We need comparable firearms to law enforcement and/or military so we won't be outgunned if we decide to exercise our right to overthrow the powers that be. That's why the second amendment exists. It's there to make sure no one messes with all the others...

(There is a point when weapons pose a clear and present danger and should be outlawed, like many explosives.)

The second amendment is not negociable. Just like the others in the bill of rights. It is highly foolish to question them now. They are all there for a reason, and no, it's not to freely hunt...

That's cool. I understand where you're coming from. some people see exercising their right, as you do, AS their duty. If someone like winx wants to build her home into a prison to protect herself, that's her right. To think all that's going to protect her 24/7 and think she's safe because she lives in a "nice neighborhood" while equating gun ownership to paranoia is, well, questionable to say the least. Dangerous, wreckless even, if I were to characterize it.

Me personally, I'd rather just keep my doors locked and feel secure that I know I can defend my home in the 10-15 minutes it would take for the cops to get here in case someone did something stupid and tried to kick my front door in or jack my car at red light

And if I hadn't said so before, Dan, thanks for your service. This American appreciates it.

So, when a government builds a concentration camp, then starts to send people to be burned in stoves there, how are you going to take out the helicopter with your hunting rifle?

Technically, you can. In practice? It will be guarded.

i realy do appriciate that . there are alot of people that would rather spit on veterans then thank the . and thank you for the peacful debate .

You do not have to take the duty. You can refuse.

Of course, I would say, that I wish you showed some of that resistance by refusing something worth refusing, but that is up to you, and I have no say in it.

I said duty, because if you read it, it becomes clear that founding fathers wished we would regard it as a duty, but decided to only place it as a right.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government , laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


How are we going to abolish our government if we don't have nearly the firepower they do?

hahaha, Raider,

My home is not even like a prison. I had glass block windows put into the basement of a home built in 1903. Guess which looks better and is safer?

I replaced wooden doors with windows with steel doors on the back and in the basement and have a nice fiberglass one for the front. Put the best deadbolts in them.

I have a dog and security system. I bought a house in a decent area.

Yep, that's some prison.

There's nothing dangerous or wreckless about that.

I consider it to be wreckless to have a gun in the house with a child and the child has friends coming over.

It's worth refusing to me.

How do you know what the founding fathers wished? We have only what was written.

who is planning on abolishing the government . thats conspiracy theory malitia stuff . talk like that will make me want to take up heavier arms to defend the government flawed as it may be . against revolt

The point you are missing is the people are supposed to have the power to do this. It's all apart of checks and balances my friend. That's how it works. This is how WE THE PEOPLE keep the government in check. There is no conspiracy to take it over. But someday we might NEED TO. Understand?

The freedom of speech isn't supposed to be for our pleasure.

The right to trial by jury isn't mean to pretect the criminals.

They all serve a purpose to keep a system in check. Understand? History my brother, history...

So, the constitution is a conspiracy theory to you.... The declaration of independence is a conspiracy theory...

...defend the government as flawed as it may be...
That is what Germans said when tried in Nuremberg. They were just defending their government.

I thought you have given an oath to defend the people, and the constitution, not the government.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776, Jefferson Papers 344

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." -George Mason, during Virginia's ratification convention, 1788


"The said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..." Samuel Adams


If the Government doesn't trust us with our guns, why should we trust them with theirs? - Unknown



“The peaceable part of mankind will be continually overrun by the vile and abandoned while they neglect the means of self-defense. The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them; the weak would become a prey to the strong.”

Thomas Paine, 1775
“Thoughts on Defensive War”

“…but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights…”

Alexander Hamilton, Federalist 29

“That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”

Samuel Adams

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.”

Patrick Henry

“The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”

Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824

“Divine Providence has given to every individual the means of self defense.”

George Mason

“Arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.”

Thomas Paine


Plenty was written. There is no question as to what our forefathers intended.

I never want to take up arms against my own people. Especially as i am a former soldier. But, being a former soldier, i took an oath. To defend the consitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The day they start sending people to collect guns from peacable citizens is the day they become a domestic enemy of the constitution...

Thanks, Drivinmenutz, I didn't have my quotes ready, when I said "duty".

I like this quote:

"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy. However, 4 out of 5 US murders are committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?" -- Andrew Ford

In my experience, the safest place to be is on the gun show.


I have been assaulted numerous times in countries where there are overwhelming police presence, and no right to bear arms.

never heard of a safe? a responsible gun owner is accountable for the whereabouts of all his weapons at all times. if you leave one out where a little kid can get at it, you need to have your head examined! if it's not on you, it should be in your safe if little hands and feet are about. but still.. the greatest danger children face from firearms is their parents insisting on kerping them ignorantof them. Responsible gun owners teach their children about them and, when they're old enough, how to use them. if you're a 12 yr old by and you've never shot a .22 or a 410, or been taught how or where and why to use a firearm, i'd consider that kind of a shame.

Nope. No paronoid parent here - no guns.

For instance, I was surrounded with firearms when I was growing up.
My dad had numerous handguns and so called "assault weapons" , meaning simply an AK-47 rifle and such, hunting rifles and shotguns.

I knew where they all are. I was expressly prohibited from handling any of the firearms in his absence. There never were any locks on anything.

I have never once touched any firearm, because my dad said no.

I was taken out for hunting since I think I was 5, and was shown how to use arms properly.


Now, what is the problem with kids and guns?

I say it is not the guns or locks or kids. It is the parents.

Funny was his teaching method. He would always let me do a mistake under his control, then explain what else might have happened and how to control the issue.

I remember fishing when I was like 7, on a fast shallow river. There were ducks, taking off from an island nearby. He gave me a shotgun and ask if I can get any. I fired a shot and flew off the boat. He fished me out and explained that I must remember that a recoil can be handled, only if there is a way to control my balance.

This may seem barbaric to some. But I remember it better, because of the way it was taught.