Topic: Are you willing to follow Obama into Socialism and the NWO?
dantaylor28's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:09 PM

have you ever wondered why there are so many sides to all of these stories? it's just kind of funny to me that so many people are complaining about what's happening around us, yet they don't want to believe that it's on purpose. that it's just what happens. they distance theirselves from anyone that promotes a possibility that even though all of these things are happening in some sort of order that it can't possibly be contrived from people that want to hurt us. it's crazy.




there is always multiple sides to every story . always has been . but to throw an administration off a cliff before they have a chance to get off the ground . especialy when they inherited a big mess from the previous administration i THINK is crazy .

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:13 PM


have you ever wondered why there are so many sides to all of these stories? it's just kind of funny to me that so many people are complaining about what's happening around us, yet they don't want to believe that it's on purpose. that it's just what happens. they distance theirselves from anyone that promotes a possibility that even though all of these things are happening in some sort of order that it can't possibly be contrived from people that want to hurt us. it's crazy.




there is always multiple sides to every story . always has been . but to throw an administration off a cliff before they have a chance to get off the ground . especialy when they inherited a big mess from the previous administration i THINK is crazy .


well, it would be crazy but there are too many things being brought to people's attentions that show that we are still heading down the same road that bush started us on. the sad part of it is that unless you are just keeping right on top of it 24/7 you won't be aware of these things.

dantaylor28's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:18 PM
the point is we dont know what direction obama is sending us , he has not had the time to point us that way .

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:28 PM

the point is we dont know what direction obama is sending us , he has not had the time to point us that way .


sure he has. how much time does it take to pick up the reigns that were already put into motion by the previous president? not long. the funny thing is that most of his resolutions are so filled with stipulations that it makes them virtually voluntary. just like the paulson plan. that plan made it voluntary for the banks to follow the rules set out in the plan. usually when things are vountary these things don't work out as planned.

dantaylor28's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:33 PM
before i begin to panic i'm giving it time . the man has been president for a month , none of us knows where this is going.

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:39 PM

before i begin to panic i'm giving it time . the man has been president for a month , none of us knows where this is going.


he's already using money that is borrowed from the federal reserve to try to fix the problems that were caused by borrowing the money from the federal reserve, it's that simple.

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/02/09 05:01 PM
"In the Colonies, we issue our own paper money. It is called 'Colonial Scrip.' We issue it in proper proportion to make the goods and pass easily from the producers to the consumers. In this manner, creating ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power and we have no interest to pay to no one. In this manner, by creating ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay, to anyone.

You see, a legitimate government can both spend and lend money into circulation, while banks can only lend significant amounts of their promissory bank notes, for they can neither give away nor spend but a tiny fraction of the money the people need. Thus, when your bankers here in England place money in circulation, there is always a debt principal to be returned and usury to be paid. The result is that you have always too little credit in circulation to give the workers full employment. You do not have too many workers, you have too little money in circulation, and that which circulates, all bears the endless burden of unpayable debt and usury." - *Benjamin Franklin Autobiography

AndrewAV's photo
Mon 03/02/09 08:46 PM


Well, I have a few thoughts to offer. Accept or reject them as you see fit, but please, at least be exposed to what's out there.

1. Bush is the person who started us down the socialist path; I hope Obama will choose to stray away, but this doesn't appear to be consistent with historical patterns.

2. We cannot even blame Bush entirely; this is THE WORST CONGRESS in United States history and our forefathers would be rolling over in their graves if they knew what these people were up to. Ben Franklin, in his speech at the constitutional convention, predicted even then that our system would work until the people became so corrupt as to require a despotic government.

3. Dennis Kucinich, Marcy Kaptur, Ron Paul and Brad Sherman seem to be the only ones who have had both brains and brawn to stand up for what was right. Others in congress began to follow their lead thereafter. Look at what they had to say on the floor of congress.

HOW TO CREATE AN ANGRY AMERICAN:

"Let's Play Wall Street Bailout" --Marcy Kaptur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S27yitK32ds&feature=related

"Ron Paul on Bailout & Federal Reserve"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQhHxKz1hEQ&feature=related

"Dennis Kucinich on Criminal Bailout"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaF_MZVWM3E&feature=related

"The Day America Died" --Rep Foxx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A9FtU_ILS4&feature=related

"We Are Under Martial Law" --Rep Burgess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7B4laX1E70&feature=related

"Brad Sherman on Martial Law"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8&feature=related

"Adam Kokesh, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Revolution March"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBv6WhejGQ

Anyone who is interested in learning more, please let me know. There's much more where this came from...





you have just stolen my heart:heart: blushing love


seriously lol... beauty and brains!

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 03/02/09 09:16 PM

Ive never been in polotics but I bet if I promised 75 percent of the people a 600 dollar check I would have a 75 percent approval rateing....


"when people find they can vote themselves money, it will herald the end of the republic."

- Benjamin Franklin

Smart man

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/02/09 09:28 PM
people forget that this kind of stuff has already happened in the past drivenmenutz. some people want to think that this is something new and it ain't.

nogames39's photo
Mon 03/02/09 09:35 PM




you have just stolen my heart:heart: blushing love


seriously lol... beauty and brains!


Yep, ain't she cute and smart at the same time?

Dragoness's photo
Mon 03/02/09 09:58 PM


Ive never been in polotics but I bet if I promised 75 percent of the people a 600 dollar check I would have a 75 percent approval rateing....


"when people find they can vote themselves money, it will herald the end of the republic."

- Benjamin Franklin

Smart man


You mean of course the elite who have been voting themselves money each election until this last one. This is the end of that. The people did not vote themselves money this time, the average citizen finally spoke for the first time in a long time at the election.

nogames39's photo
Mon 03/02/09 10:02 PM



Ive never been in polotics but I bet if I promised 75 percent of the people a 600 dollar check I would have a 75 percent approval rateing....


"when people find they can vote themselves money, it will herald the end of the republic."

- Benjamin Franklin

Smart man


You mean of course the elite who have been voting themselves money each election until this last one. This is the end of that. The people did not vote themselves money this time, the average citizen finally spoke for the first time in a long time at the election.


You're right for once!

Rich were voting themselves money. But so did the poor. Both, will continue to do so.

But, let us say that Obama have successfully prevented the rich from voting themselves money.

Now, only poor get to do that. Ben Franklin's condemnation still stands!

I_am_will's photo
Mon 03/02/09 10:04 PM

before i begin to panic i'm giving it time . the man has been president for a month , none of us knows where this is going.

who really cares where he's going the system is falling apart and something needs to change to fix it why not the form of gov't

Dragoness's photo
Mon 03/02/09 10:05 PM




Ive never been in polotics but I bet if I promised 75 percent of the people a 600 dollar check I would have a 75 percent approval rateing....


"when people find they can vote themselves money, it will herald the end of the republic."

- Benjamin Franklin

Smart man


You mean of course the elite who have been voting themselves money each election until this last one. This is the end of that. The people did not vote themselves money this time, the average citizen finally spoke for the first time in a long time at the election.


You're right for once!

Rich were voting themselves money. But so did the poor. Both, will continue to do so.

But, let us say that Obama have successfully prevented the rich from voting themselves money.

Now, only poor get to do that. Ben Franklin's condemnation still stands!


The poor have not done that at all. They are willing to accept some hard times here for a while to come. It is the economists who are advising for the government to spread money around. It has nothing to do with Obama. He is following those who have studied the recessions and depression of the past.

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/02/09 10:07 PM





Ive never been in polotics but I bet if I promised 75 percent of the people a 600 dollar check I would have a 75 percent approval rateing....


"when people find they can vote themselves money, it will herald the end of the republic."

- Benjamin Franklin

Smart man


You mean of course the elite who have been voting themselves money each election until this last one. This is the end of that. The people did not vote themselves money this time, the average citizen finally spoke for the first time in a long time at the election.


You're right for once!

Rich were voting themselves money. But so did the poor. Both, will continue to do so.

But, let us say that Obama have successfully prevented the rich from voting themselves money.

Now, only poor get to do that. Ben Franklin's condemnation still stands!


The poor have not done that at all. They are willing to accept some hard times here for a while to come. It is the economists who are advising for the government to spread money around. It has nothing to do with Obama. He is following those who have studied the recessions and depression of the past.


dragoness thank you for that bit of information, i'm sure we will all be better off in the future knowing that these economists are on our side.

nogames39's photo
Mon 03/02/09 10:20 PM

The poor have not done that at all. They are willing to accept some hard times here for a while to come. It is the economists who are advising for the government to spread money around. It has nothing to do with Obama. He is following those who have studied the recessions and depression of the past.


On the contrary, take the health-care, for instance. Both, in the past, and in what is debated as a plan for the future, the poor are offered to vote themselves some money.

By voting for the universal health care, poor would be voting themselves services that they now wouldn't need to spend money to get.

This is only one example. Consider housing measures, education, or practically any proposition designed "to help the people".

Remember, we are not discussing if this is moral or not. We're only looking at the Ben's quote, and trying to determine if this is the case today.

catwoman96's photo
Mon 03/02/09 10:22 PM
Obama will destroy THIS country....get ready people

we are on borrowed time right now

Dragoness's photo
Mon 03/02/09 10:25 PM


The poor have not done that at all. They are willing to accept some hard times here for a while to come. It is the economists who are advising for the government to spread money around. It has nothing to do with Obama. He is following those who have studied the recessions and depression of the past.


On the contrary, take the health-care, for instance. Both, in the past, and in what is debated as a plan for the future, the poor are offered to vote themselves some money.

By voting for the universal health care, poor would be voting themselves services that they now wouldn't need to spend money to get.

This is only one example. Consider housing measures, education, or practically any proposition designed "to help the people".

Remember, we are not discussing if this is moral or not. We're only looking at the Ben's quote, and trying to determine if this is the case today.


Hogwash, the poor cannot be voting themselves money when they are doing without healthcare for the most part. The education? We are failing in educating our children, something needs to be done at this level. Housing, well that one is a big big mess, I don't know what can be done to help that situation. All in all the "money" you named is not money for the poor, it is help for a nation that needs it all the way around.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 03/02/09 10:31 PM
Obama will do well. He has a good head on his shoulders. What he doesn't know he asks the right people for the answers, that is a sign of a good leader.