yep, he is president bush's cousin. so we'll see what happens

"I happen to have a lot of family who live in Israel and I feel, personally, when you are dealing with people who are very strong against you, you have to stand up to them," said Tami Davudoff of Kew Gardens.

It's one thing to stand up and it's another to trample and bully. I talked to a friend of mine that is jewish and she said not all jews back the kind of actions that Isreal took recently or at other times. The powers that be can't use the cover of racism for sympathy and backing while doing things that are so inhumane and over the top. No one likes bully no matter who they are or what side they are on. We support Israel with a ton of our money we should be able to speak out when they abuse their power with our money and weapens. It reflects on all of us if Israel is abusive. No?

I think people in both our country and Isreal should look into zionist activity in the christian community as well as the jewish community, it isn't a secret, but I think most people don't know much about it. And frankly we americans have been so focused on our how lives we rarely come in contact with this stuff unless it's brought out.

I am not into conspiracy's much, but the zionist movement in christianity has made me sit up and take notice. We would all do well to find out what the heck is going on around us, that might one day affect us.. just a thought..

I agree Boo2 this is a subject that warrants investigation.

You know part of what bothers me is this you are either with us or against us attitude so many take when it comes to the actions of Israel.

Life isn't that simple.

lynann, people need to realize that it's a zionist government in israel and a zionist government here in the US. then, and only then can we figure a way out of this mess by approaching the zionist political movement and letting them know that we aren't going to take it anymore and that they should try to find some other world to corrupt.

lynann, this was reported on haaertz.com, which is a jewish website that supports israel. this was reported by israel's people themselves. notice the word "zionit" in there, people need to learn to link israeli government with zionism and they will get the understanding they need to find out why israel has such power over us.




Israel's next government will be "more Jewish and more Zionist", the confident faction leader of the right-wing National Union party declared Thursday, following coalition talks with members of Prime Minister-designate Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party.

"There was very positive atmosphere at the meeting [with Netanyahu]," said Yaakov Katz, as he emerged from the talks at Kfar Maccabiah in central Israel. "...There is an understanding with Likud that the next government will be more Jewish and more Zionist."


here is the link to the rest of the story:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1067201.html

Israel has nothing against the Gazans. They simply do not wish to support the terrorists. Since Hamas has been hijacking UN aid and using aid dollars and shipments to feed their rocket launchers first and "supporters" second and witholding aid to Fatah members or even "suspected" Fatah sympathizers (a large part of the Gazan population) - there are severe problems in distributing aid to those who need it most.

Netanyahu accurately predicted that ceding control of the Egyption border would result in much more armed terrorism against Israel and Israelis who were burned once by this decision are rightfully going to try to prevent any further strengthening of Hamas.

Not at all surprising. The plight of the Palestinians is due primarily to Hamas. If they want aid and peace they will have to renounce violence and cleanse themselves of Hamas. It's quite simple actually.

It is never quite that simple Slowhand, that is the sad part. And we as Americans can't keep closing our eyes to all but what we want to see. I wish there was peace everywhere and that people respected eachother everywhere but we all everywhere have brought some or much of all of this on ourselves by not paying attention to our own deeds and those of others we have supported over time.

oh i don't mean the whole situation is simple. just the principle. for peace to take root - all parties have to truly work towards peaceful coexistence.

hamas refuses to sign a peace treaty unless they are allowed unlimited border traffic. israel cannot allow unlimited border traffic because they cannot tolerate further rocket attacks.

if gazans renounce violence then all non-arms border traffic could begin immediately under supervision and the innocent gazans would get any humanitarian assistance they need.

the problem is that hamas and israel are at war despite the unilateral truces, daily truce violations are occurring. israel has nothing against humanitarian aid if it is truly helping innocent gazans and they have been allowing it through UN distribution channels. but they are at war and certainly have no desire nor obligation to aid those at war with them - those firing rockets indiscriminately at them - no one wishes to "feed" hamas.

there is a similar situation with regard to aid in afghanistan. the us and allies are at war with the taliban. although they are trying to give aid to innocent civilians in afghanistan, no one would willingly "feed" or support the taliban. likewise the us and allies are doing everything in their power to limit the flow of arms and taliban fighters across the difficult to control borders especially with pakistan.

You really believe that is the goal? I don't think so.

That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read.
Well said as usually boo.

They cannot scream 'racism' because Jewish is not a different race from any other white person.

They cannot scream 'religious persecution' because Zionists are mostly atheists.

Zionists cannot scream persecution or holocaust because they (the Zionists) are responsible for the deaths of their own people and were behind it. They wanted to get rid of the dark skined Jewish tribes who were religious good people.

Zionists are the wolves in sheep clothing calling themselves Jewish. They are not. I'm not going to take their propaganda anymore.

Who do they think they are anyway? They have no business in Israel. God did not give them that so-called promised land. What a bunch of hooey! Who ever they are, they have no right to terrorized people. I'm sick of them crying that they are persecuted and just defending themselves. They don't want peace. They want total annihilation of their enemies. They want the temple mount, they want to rule the world from there.

I don't get that.

We pander to and support Israel, and Israel bombs Gaza then we send 900 million to the Palestinians towards rebuilding?

And at home, we are in a financial depression?

Where does any of this make any sense?

Zionists were those who advocated the re-establishment of a Jewish country in their ancestral homeland nothing more than that. They were primarily Jewish although many non-Jews also supported Zionism and the re-establishment of Israel.

The term "Zionist" is synonymous with "Israeli nationalist" which is no more of a boogeyman than an "American nationalist" or "Ecuadorean nationalist"...Geez.



Here are a couple links describing what Zionism really was/is...



http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/zionism.html

and

http://www.mideastweb.org/zionism.htm

Your site link said:

"Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people, which holds that Jews, like any other nation, are entitled to a homeland. "

Jews are not a 'nation.' Jews are not a race that is any different from any other white person. They do not have a 'homeland' to return to.

If everyone group of related individuals 'deserve a homeland' of their own then why are we (Americans and Canadians) still trying to deal with the people who were living here before we moved in?

We took the land from the natives here and killed many of them off and put the rest of them on reservations.

A nation is only recognized as such if they have an army and a land and can defend themselves against intruders.

God did not give any land to these Jewish people. If you believe that, and support Zionism because of that story then you have swallowed the lie hook line and sinker.

Christians who support Zionism because they believe these are true Jews and that they are "God's chosen people," have been fooled.

Know them by their cruelty and by their deeds.

Quote come from the site you linked to.



Why? Why should they gather together in a single homeland?





Now this is really sick. Christian Zionism want the Jews to "return to their homeland" (which is not theirs in any case) so that it will hasten the second coming of Christ.

So their reason for supporting Zionism is selfish and all about their Biblical prophecy. They don't really care about the Jew. In their prophecy, the Jews in in for a lot of trouble... but they don't care about that. They just want Jesus to come back and torch everyone in the middle east so he can rein over the world and rule from the temple mount.

News flash: Jesus is not coming back!

So is all this killing about some silly religious belief?
Well for the Christian Zionists it is. They have been fooled to. And guess by whom? The Zionists of course. They will take support from anywhere they can get it simply because they are outnumbered.

And the strange thing is that the christian zionist are not even trying to hide this. Why? Because they know we as people often have a very short attention span and they bank on that. However those that are itching for christ to return don't seem to care how that happens as long as it does. How argoant is it to force the so called return of Christ?

I can't in anyway shape or form wrap my head around this insanity. It could just be that now that we are in such dire situations individually we might actually start seeing what is really going on in our world.

many jewish people had a desire for generations upon generations to return to their ancestral homeland in Israel. during the Holocaust in WWII the need to find homes for large numbers of jews became a matter of life and death and jews already living in Israel welcomed the refugees with open arms even as strict immigration quotas were put on jews in other parts of the world. this led to a great influx of jews into Israel and a burgeoning of nationalism and self-determination and ultimately to the creation of the modern state of Israel re-establishing one of the world's best known and earliest documented societies. there is no disputing the ancient jewish nation. there was for centuries a vibrant, jewish national society with a distinct address in Israel and headquarters in the city they founded as their capital thousands of years ago - Jerusalem.

so the answer to "why Israel?" is because it is their ancestral home where jews have lived for thousands of years...and because of dire necessity to avoid extermination solely because of their religious beliefs. christians have a wide variety of reasons for supporting the jews. shared beliefs and a sense of kinship. simple sense of moral righteousness and even belief in biblical prophecy. but there are plenty of good reasons to support Zionism.

i dont think it was that smart to put a jewish state in the middle of many muslim states...

thats like setting them up for failure.
not really giving them an oppurtunity for peace.

The history of Israel is one of the best documented ancient countries on earth - the jewish nation with a military, judicial system, governance, science, philosophy, tolerant of other religions and always a place where there have been jews since it's ancient days of glory. Read all about it here. Israel was recognized as a significant crossroads of the world by many world leaders from antiquity onward.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf1.html

There is a slideshow also of the history of Israel and the conflict here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnIKRse86GU