Topic: States declaring and reaffirming their sovereignty
Drivinmenutz's photo
Fri 02/27/09 12:47 AM

What if it is all backwards?

Here is a crazy idea:

Let us say that the states know that the federal government will run out of funds soon. Then, logically, to save itself, the F government will have to kill the states governments.

What am I talking about?

The more socialism there is, the less economic production, right?
But the more socialism there is, the bigger and fatter is the government, right?

So, what if there is not enough economic production left in US, to keep both, the state governments and the F government large and fat? One of them has to disappear to save the other.

So, then let's say the states know that this is the step the F government will have to take very soon. Is it not in their interest to reaffirm their sovereignty, in preparation to deny the F government the economic production, so that the state governments will be the ones left alive, and the F government will go subject less, with no cattle to slaughter?


things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm.....

Drivinmenutz's photo
Fri 02/27/09 12:48 AM

uh huh

lol i doubt you do what mama says


but, i'm such a good boy...pitchfork

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 02/27/09 12:49 AM


uh huh

lol i doubt you do what mama says


but, i'm such a good boy...pitchfork


lol and I'm an angel..really i am :angel:
so sweet and innocent is me

Drivinmenutz's photo
Fri 02/27/09 12:55 AM



uh huh

lol i doubt you do what mama says


but, i'm such a good boy...pitchfork


lol and I'm an angel..really i am :angel:
so sweet and innocent is me


Think anyone believes us?

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 02/27/09 12:57 AM
there's no one here to call our bluff lol
by the time they get here...it will be too late pitchfork

oops i mean:angel:

nogames39's photo
Fri 02/27/09 12:59 AM



It's ok rose. flowerforyou Applying logic to nonsense can be a tiring task. While the implications are nonsensical we may still ask ourselves the question. Was this a racial movement or not? Logic would show there is NO EVIDENCE WHAT-SO-EVER that this is a racial movement. So while taking the implication into consideration, and not completely ruling it out, we can put it in the extremely unlikely section.

Then we must ask ourselves; so what if it was started by racists? Who cares? Got nothing to do with the outcome. With any luck the federal government will start to follow laws, and quit overstepping bounds. The stated intent, and the possible outcome is honorable. Logic asks why worry about the rest?


Well put.

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 02/27/09 01:00 AM




It's ok rose. flowerforyou Applying logic to nonsense can be a tiring task. While the implications are nonsensical we may still ask ourselves the question. Was this a racial movement or not? Logic would show there is NO EVIDENCE WHAT-SO-EVER that this is a racial movement. So while taking the implication into consideration, and not completely ruling it out, we can put it in the extremely unlikely section.

Then we must ask ourselves; so what if it was started by racists? Who cares? Got nothing to do with the outcome. With any luck the federal government will start to follow laws, and quit overstepping bounds. The stated intent, and the possible outcome is honorable. Logic asks why worry about the rest?


Well put.


oh yes drinker

lol i forgot to respond to this...i need a nap

norslyman's photo
Fri 02/27/09 11:03 AM
Edited by norslyman on Fri 02/27/09 11:06 AM
Just want to remind everyone that all the real racists are IN the Federal Gov (or shadow government really). They have all the power and are the ones to be feared: they carried out Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, Columbine (for gun control), Va Tech shootings (same reason), 9-11, depleted uranium, introduced Aids, cover-up Mad Cow, flouridate the water, Chem Trails, fake wars, master mason Albert Pike founded the KKK.... the list is endless.

Here is a truly racist movement - already killing real people. Funded by guess who? All designed to get us into the North American Union.
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Racist Mexican Gangs "Ethnic Cleansing" Blacks In L.A.
Latino thugs indiscriminately murder blacks regardless of gang membership, genocidal purge aligns with radical Aztlan theology

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, January 22, 2007

Racist Mexican gangs are indiscriminately targeting blacks who aren't even involved in gang culture, as part of an orchestrated ethnic cleansing program that is forcing black people to flee Los Angeles. The culprit of the carnage is the radical Neo-Nazi liberation theology known as La Raza, which calls for the extermination of all races in America besides Latinos, and is being bankrolled by some of the biggest Globalists in the U.S.

A story carried on the liberal website Alternet, charts an explosion in brutal murders of blacks by Hispanic street gangs in L.A. Far from being gang on gang violence, the Latinos are targeting innocent blacks in accordance with a concerted ethnic cleansing campaign that seeks to eradicate all blacks from Hispanic neighborhoods.

In one instance, 21-year-old Anthony Prudhomme was shot in the face with a .25-caliber semi-automatic while lying on a futon inside his apartment, slain by a Latino gang known as the Avenues as part of a racist terror campaign in which gang members earn "stripes" for each black person they kill.

In one typical case," writes journalist Brentin Mock, "Three members of the Pomona 12 attacked an African-American teenager, Kareem Williams, in his front yard in 2002. When his uncle, Roy Williams, ran to help his nephew, gang member Richard Diaz told him, "Niggers have no business living in Pomona because this is 12th Street territory." According to witnesses, Diaz then told the other gang members, "Pull out the gun! Shoot the niggers! Shoot the niggers!"

The fatwah against blacks began in the mid-nineties, with a 1995 LAPD report concluding that Latinos had vowed to "Eradicate black citizens from the gang neighborhood." In a follow up report on the situation in east Los Angeles, the LAPD warned that "Local gangs will attack any black person that comes into the city."

The author notes that since 1990 the African-American population of Los Angeles has halved, partly as a result of rampant illegal immigration and that there are noticeably fewer blacks walking the streets because many have been forced to relocate in fear of the racist gangs.


"The LAPD estimates there are now 22,000 Latino gang members in the city of Los Angeles alone. That's not only more than all the Crips and the Bloods; it's more than all black, Asian, and white gang members combined. Almost all of those Latino gang members in L.A. -- let alone those in other California cities -- are loyal to the Mexican Mafia. Most have been thoroughly indoctrinated with the Mexican Mafia's violent racism during stints in prison, where most gangs are racially based," writes Mock.

Mock blames the "Mexican Mafia" for ordering the campaign of ethnic cleansing from prison, as part of a turf war with the Black Guerilla family, another prison gang, but fails to pinpoint the racist creed from which the Mexican kingpins draw their inspiration - the long standing Aztlan invasion agenda.

Aztlan's goal, known as La reconquista, is to cede and take over the entirety of the southern and western states by any means necessary and impose a Communist militant dictatorship. President Bush's blanket amnesty program goes a long way to helping the extremists achieve their aim.


Despite the fact that the majority of documented hispanics oppose illegal immigration, as do the majority of Americans, Aztlan and La Raza race hate groups have become the self-appointed voice for a separatist movement that threatens a violent overthrow of the Constitutional system and a barbaric program of ethnic cleansing. This is held up by the media as 'diversity' and to vociferously oppose it is scorned as racism.

Aztlan and Mecha groups advocate killing all whites and blacks and driving them out of the southern states by means of brutal ethnic cleansing. Flags and placards carried at marches depict white people having their heads cut off, as seen in the picture below.


Those that protest such groups are then attacked by the establishment media and labeled as racists, despite the fact that the Plan of San Diego, a rallying cry for the hispanic Klan groups, advocates total eradication of any race but hispanics.

Mecha's own slogan reads, "For the race everything. For those outside the race, nothing."

TV stations owned by rich white industrialists erect giant billboards in Los Angeles claiming the city belongs to Mexico, as seen below.


Mainstream hispanics who love America abhor the virulent racism that the Mexican klan groups embrace.

And who bankrolls these pocket radicals? Billionaire tax-exempt foundations and NGO's owned by white men. Organizations like the Ford Foundation, groups who are zealous in their quest to eliminate the middle class and destroy America, turning it into a cashless society, compact city, surveillance control grid where only two tiers of society exist - the elite and the poor slaves.

During the May immigration protests, The Aztlanwebsite carried the following statement.

"If the racist "Sensenbrenner Legislation" passes the US Senate, there is no doubt that a massive civil disobedience movement will emerge. Eventually labor union power can merge with the immigrant civil rights and "Immigrant Sanctuary" movements to enable us to either form a new political party or to do heavy duty reforming of the existing Democratic Party. The next and final steps would follow and that is to elect our own governors of all the states within Aztlan."

Here is the open call for violent separatism and the overthrow of existing state government structures.


During the immigration demonstrations, which were orchestrated by Rob Allyn of Rob Allyn & Co. who is closely tied with George W. Bush, alarming reports of illegals carrying out violent beatings began to surface. In Santa Ana California, illegal aliens swarmed around in mobs invading schools, carrying out violent beatings and in one incident a county worker had a Mexican flag plunged into his chest.

The violent protests that began on May 1 last year were characterized by throngs marching under Mexican flags, many of which were illegal aliens, as a "day without gringos."

Imagine what the reaction would be if white middle class Americans marched in their millions and called the event "a day without blacks."

The media continues to run defense for a violent militant movement that seeks nothing less than the eradication of blacks and whites through ethnic cleansing and the takeover of the southern and western states. This is a separatist junta that has over 30,000 ruthless gang members at its disposal once the call for mobilization is heard, along with millions of illegal aliens pouring across the border.


These thugs have the temerity to call Latinos, blacks and whites who are opposed to uncontrolled illegal immigration racists when it is their own La reconquista philosophy that has spawned target hits in Los Angeles as part of a virulently racist ethnic cleansing rampage. It's a bloodlust that can only spread to other cities as the realization of Aztlan is generously aided by billionaire Globalists who wish to see America balkanized, plundered and destroyed.


think2deep's photo
Fri 02/27/09 11:10 AM
every racist group in our history has been bank rolled by our cute little cuddly zionist bankers in new york. and every group that has sprung up to counter the racist groups have been bank rolled by the same cute little zionist bankers in new york. go figure.:wink:

think2deep's photo
Fri 02/27/09 11:12 AM
It's a bloodlust that can only spread to other cities as the realization of Aztlan is generously aided by billionaire Globalists who wish to see America balkanized, plundered and destroyed.


rockefellers, rothschilds, morgans of the jp morgan clan, etc.........

raiderfan_32's photo
Fri 02/27/09 11:22 AM
Edited by raiderfan_32 on Fri 02/27/09 11:23 AM
This needs to be a topic all on its own. La Raza and La Reconquista is not news to most Texans. That's been around for a long time.


Just want to remind everyone that all the real racists are IN the Federal Gov (or shadow government really). They have all the power and are the ones to be feared: they carried out Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, Columbine (for gun control), Va Tech shootings (same reason), 9-11, depleted uranium, introduced Aids, cover-up Mad Cow, flouridate the water, Chem Trails, fake wars, master mason Albert Pike founded the KKK.... the list is endless.

Here is a truly racist movement - already killing real people. Funded by guess who? All designed to get us into the North American Union.
------------------------------------------------------------------

Racist Mexican Gangs "Ethnic Cleansing" Blacks In L.A.
Latino thugs indiscriminately murder blacks regardless of gang membership, genocidal purge aligns with radical Aztlan theology

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, January 22, 2007

Racist Mexican gangs are indiscriminately targeting blacks who aren't even involved in gang culture, as part of an orchestrated ethnic cleansing program that is forcing black people to flee Los Angeles. The culprit of the carnage is the radical Neo-Nazi liberation theology known as La Raza, which calls for the extermination of all races in America besides Latinos, and is being bankrolled by some of the biggest Globalists in the U.S.

A story carried on the liberal website Alternet, charts an explosion in brutal murders of blacks by Hispanic street gangs in L.A. Far from being gang on gang violence, the Latinos are targeting innocent blacks in accordance with a concerted ethnic cleansing campaign that seeks to eradicate all blacks from Hispanic neighborhoods.

In one instance, 21-year-old Anthony Prudhomme was shot in the face with a .25-caliber semi-automatic while lying on a futon inside his apartment, slain by a Latino gang known as the Avenues as part of a racist terror campaign in which gang members earn "stripes" for each black person they kill.

In one typical case," writes journalist Brentin Mock, "Three members of the Pomona 12 attacked an African-American teenager, Kareem Williams, in his front yard in 2002. When his uncle, Roy Williams, ran to help his nephew, gang member Richard Diaz told him, "Niggers have no business living in Pomona because this is 12th Street territory." According to witnesses, Diaz then told the other gang members, "Pull out the gun! Shoot the niggers! Shoot the niggers!"

The fatwah against blacks began in the mid-nineties, with a 1995 LAPD report concluding that Latinos had vowed to "Eradicate black citizens from the gang neighborhood." In a follow up report on the situation in east Los Angeles, the LAPD warned that "Local gangs will attack any black person that comes into the city."

The author notes that since 1990 the African-American population of Los Angeles has halved, partly as a result of rampant illegal immigration and that there are noticeably fewer blacks walking the streets because many have been forced to relocate in fear of the racist gangs.


"The LAPD estimates there are now 22,000 Latino gang members in the city of Los Angeles alone. That's not only more than all the Crips and the Bloods; it's more than all black, Asian, and white gang members combined. Almost all of those Latino gang members in L.A. -- let alone those in other California cities -- are loyal to the Mexican Mafia. Most have been thoroughly indoctrinated with the Mexican Mafia's violent racism during stints in prison, where most gangs are racially based," writes Mock.

Mock blames the "Mexican Mafia" for ordering the campaign of ethnic cleansing from prison, as part of a turf war with the Black Guerilla family, another prison gang, but fails to pinpoint the racist creed from which the Mexican kingpins draw their inspiration - the long standing Aztlan invasion agenda.

Aztlan's goal, known as La reconquista, is to cede and take over the entirety of the southern and western states by any means necessary and impose a Communist militant dictatorship. President Bush's blanket amnesty program goes a long way to helping the extremists achieve their aim.


Despite the fact that the majority of documented hispanics oppose illegal immigration, as do the majority of Americans, Aztlan and La Raza race hate groups have become the self-appointed voice for a separatist movement that threatens a violent overthrow of the Constitutional system and a barbaric program of ethnic cleansing. This is held up by the media as 'diversity' and to vociferously oppose it is scorned as racism.

Aztlan and Mecha groups advocate killing all whites and blacks and driving them out of the southern states by means of brutal ethnic cleansing. Flags and placards carried at marches depict white people having their heads cut off, as seen in the picture below.


Those that protest such groups are then attacked by the establishment media and labeled as racists, despite the fact that the Plan of San Diego, a rallying cry for the hispanic Klan groups, advocates total eradication of any race but hispanics.

Mecha's own slogan reads, "For the race everything. For those outside the race, nothing."

TV stations owned by rich white industrialists erect giant billboards in Los Angeles claiming the city belongs to Mexico, as seen below.


Mainstream hispanics who love America abhor the virulent racism that the Mexican klan groups embrace.

And who bankrolls these pocket radicals? Billionaire tax-exempt foundations and NGO's owned by white men. Organizations like the Ford Foundation, groups who are zealous in their quest to eliminate the middle class and destroy America, turning it into a cashless society, compact city, surveillance control grid where only two tiers of society exist - the elite and the poor slaves.

During the May immigration protests, The Aztlanwebsite carried the following statement.

"If the racist "Sensenbrenner Legislation" passes the US Senate, there is no doubt that a massive civil disobedience movement will emerge. Eventually labor union power can merge with the immigrant civil rights and "Immigrant Sanctuary" movements to enable us to either form a new political party or to do heavy duty reforming of the existing Democratic Party. The next and final steps would follow and that is to elect our own governors of all the states within Aztlan."

Here is the open call for violent separatism and the overthrow of existing state government structures.


During the immigration demonstrations, which were orchestrated by Rob Allyn of Rob Allyn & Co. who is closely tied with George W. Bush, alarming reports of illegals carrying out violent beatings began to surface. In Santa Ana California, illegal aliens swarmed around in mobs invading schools, carrying out violent beatings and in one incident a county worker had a Mexican flag plunged into his chest.

The violent protests that began on May 1 last year were characterized by throngs marching under Mexican flags, many of which were illegal aliens, as a "day without gringos."

Imagine what the reaction would be if white middle class Americans marched in their millions and called the event "a day without blacks."

The media continues to run defense for a violent militant movement that seeks nothing less than the eradication of blacks and whites through ethnic cleansing and the takeover of the southern and western states. This is a separatist junta that has over 30,000 ruthless gang members at its disposal once the call for mobilization is heard, along with millions of illegal aliens pouring across the border.


These thugs have the temerity to call Latinos, blacks and whites who are opposed to uncontrolled illegal immigration racists when it is their own La reconquista philosophy that has spawned target hits in Los Angeles as part of a virulently racist ethnic cleansing rampage. It's a bloodlust that can only spread to other cities as the realization of Aztlan is generously aided by billionaire Globalists who wish to see America balkanized, plundered and destroyed.





yellowrose10's photo
Fri 02/27/09 11:24 AM
true raider

wiley's photo
Fri 02/27/09 12:17 PM
It's just too bad that none of these toothless "resolutions" actually have the effect of actual law.

raiderfan_32's photo
Fri 02/27/09 12:42 PM

It's just too bad that none of these toothless "resolutions" actually have the effect of actual law.


technically I think you're probably right but Congress can't stop the states from calling a constitutional convention to redress greivances, write and repeal a few amendments, the 16th to begin with.. maybe one about term limits in one or both chambers of Congress

how ironic would that be.. the first FDR gave us presidential term limits.. maybe this socialist president will get us term limits in congress!!

Drivinmenutz's photo
Fri 02/27/09 12:42 PM

It's just too bad that none of these toothless "resolutions" actually have the effect of actual law.


On the contrary... The possibilities could prove more affective than law. Not only does it bring awareness to the people, but its the state governments against the federal government. Meaning: in the federal government continues to remove the state governments using law, then its all states against one federal government. Nifty huh? Its hard for you and I to cut funding to the F gov. because the IRS will come after us. But if 25 states in the U.S. stop sending their money to the F gov ( in hopes of getting it back if they follow the "rules"), the f gov can't afford to prosecute. Nifty huh? Without fund the F gov can't expand, and can't participate in undeclared wars, or even continue this so called "drug war". It would be a major step back for tyranny. Hell, they wouldn't even be able to make payments on the national debt which puts pressure on the FED.

If this is all true than this is better than i thought. The states joining the people in a revolution against a tyrannical federal government...

wiley's photo
Fri 02/27/09 03:56 PM


It's just too bad that none of these toothless "resolutions" actually have the effect of actual law.


On the contrary... The possibilities could prove more affective than law. Not only does it bring awareness to the people, but its the state governments against the federal government. Meaning: in the federal government continues to remove the state governments using law, then its all states against one federal government. Nifty huh? Its hard for you and I to cut funding to the F gov. because the IRS will come after us. But if 25 states in the U.S. stop sending their money to the F gov ( in hopes of getting it back if they follow the "rules"), the f gov can't afford to prosecute. Nifty huh? Without fund the F gov can't expand, and can't participate in undeclared wars, or even continue this so called "drug war". It would be a major step back for tyranny. Hell, they wouldn't even be able to make payments on the national debt which puts pressure on the FED.

If this is all true than this is better than i thought. The states joining the people in a revolution against a tyrannical federal government...


Good luck with all that. Not like any of this hasn't been proposed before...

Drivinmenutz's photo
Fri 02/27/09 05:36 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Fri 02/27/09 05:37 PM
The next step. If the Federal Government won't but out using legal methods. Then arms must be drawn and the Federal Government must be taken down. This would be a full scale revolution. This is how rights are enforced. I would feel much more comfortable if the states were on the side of the constitution rather than the federal government wouldn't you?

Which side would you fight on?

willing2's photo
Sat 02/28/09 10:48 AM

The next step. If the Federal Government won't but out using legal methods. Then arms must be drawn and the Federal Government must be taken down. This would be a full scale revolution. This is how rights are enforced. I would feel much more comfortable if the states were on the side of the constitution rather than the federal government wouldn't you?

Which side would you fight on?

Can't see that happening. There are not that many active State Militias and the ones that are active aren't very organized.
Like a lady before said. The individual who tries to defend themselves may go down in a blaze of glory and the Feds will just say they had just rid the neighborhood of another terrorist.
What we will need is for the States themselves to call the citizens to volunteer defense service.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Sat 02/28/09 10:51 AM


The next step. If the Federal Government won't but out using legal methods. Then arms must be drawn and the Federal Government must be taken down. This would be a full scale revolution. This is how rights are enforced. I would feel much more comfortable if the states were on the side of the constitution rather than the federal government wouldn't you?

Which side would you fight on?

Can't see that happening. There are not that many active State Militias and the ones that are active aren't very organized.
Like a lady before said. The individual who tries to defend themselves may go down in a blaze of glory and the Feds will just say they had just rid the neighborhood of another terrorist.
What we will need is for the States themselves to call the citizens to volunteer defense service.


Already happening. The militias are the strongest they've been in decades, if not centuries.

Winx's photo
Sat 02/28/09 10:52 AM



The next step. If the Federal Government won't but out using legal methods. Then arms must be drawn and the Federal Government must be taken down. This would be a full scale revolution. This is how rights are enforced. I would feel much more comfortable if the states were on the side of the constitution rather than the federal government wouldn't you?

Which side would you fight on?

Can't see that happening. There are not that many active State Militias and the ones that are active aren't very organized.
Like a lady before said. The individual who tries to defend themselves may go down in a blaze of glory and the Feds will just say they had just rid the neighborhood of another terrorist.
What we will need is for the States themselves to call the citizens to volunteer defense service.


Already happening. The militias are the strongest they've been in decades, if not centuries.


That scares me, Drivin.