Topic: States declaring and reaffirming their sovereignty
Fanta46's photo
Sat 02/28/09 10:55 AM

The next step. If the Federal Government won't but out using legal methods. Then arms must be drawn and the Federal Government must be taken down. This would be a full scale revolution. This is how rights are enforced. I would feel much more comfortable if the states were on the side of the constitution rather than the federal government wouldn't you?

Which side would you fight on?


Dont ask brother...

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 02/28/09 10:57 AM
I am choosing the opposite side of fanta just to kick his butt pitchfork

willing2's photo
Sat 02/28/09 10:57 AM



The next step. If the Federal Government won't but out using legal methods. Then arms must be drawn and the Federal Government must be taken down. This would be a full scale revolution. This is how rights are enforced. I would feel much more comfortable if the states were on the side of the constitution rather than the federal government wouldn't you?

Which side would you fight on?

Can't see that happening. There are not that many active State Militias and the ones that are active aren't very organized.
Like a lady before said. The individual who tries to defend themselves may go down in a blaze of glory and the Feds will just say they had just rid the neighborhood of another terrorist.
What we will need is for the States themselves to call the citizens to volunteer defense service.


Already happening. The militias are the strongest they've been in decades, if not centuries.

It might be advisable for them to start recruiting and getting authoritative and financial backing from the States.
I would also like to see like States uniting their militias.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 02/28/09 11:00 AM

I am choosing the opposite side of fanta just to kick his butt pitchfork


We cant have that rose because my side will be the victor.

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 02/28/09 11:01 AM


I am choosing the opposite side of fanta just to kick his butt pitchfork


We cant have that rose because my side will be the victor.


pfft....the yellow team will win!!!!!!!!!

wait...you did it to me again...i need a map to stay on track lol

Fanta46's photo
Sat 02/28/09 11:09 AM



I am choosing the opposite side of fanta just to kick his butt pitchfork


We cant have that rose because my side will be the victor.


pfft....the yellow team will win!!!!!!!!!

wait...you did it to me again...i need a map to stay on track lol


I have one! JUust follow it to the spot marked by an X.:banana:

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 02/28/09 11:10 AM




I am choosing the opposite side of fanta just to kick his butt pitchfork


We cant have that rose because my side will be the victor.


pfft....the yellow team will win!!!!!!!!!

wait...you did it to me again...i need a map to stay on track lol


I have one! JUust follow it to the spot marked by an X.:banana:


your map is in crayon :wink: :wink:
damn fant:wink: ...stop thatoops

Fanta46's photo
Sat 02/28/09 11:12 AM





I am choosing the opposite side of fanta just to kick his butt pitchfork


We cant have that rose because my side will be the victor.


pfft....the yellow team will win!!!!!!!!!

wait...you did it to me again...i need a map to stay on track lol


I have one! JUust follow it to the spot marked by an X.:banana:


your map is in crayon :wink: :wink:
damn fant:wink: ...stop thatoops


Psst,
Come alone,,,,,

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 02/28/09 11:13 AM
laugh

ANYWAY.....

nogames39's photo
Sat 02/28/09 11:14 AM

The next step. If the Federal Government won't but out using legal methods. Then arms must be drawn and the Federal Government must be taken down. This would be a full scale revolution. This is how rights are enforced. I would feel much more comfortable if the states were on the side of the constitution rather than the federal government wouldn't you?

Which side would you fight on?


You can't do that. You can't forcibly bring the people to some happiness, if the people themselves do not want that to happen. If you act on this, you would be no different than George Bush.

What if you're wrong? What if all you think is a fantasy, that can not be a happy state to exist? You can't bring others to where you're going without their agreement.

If you can reason that bringing the people to a better system without their understanding and agreement is allowable, then you must by definition accept that whatever the authorities are doing to the people now, is they are bringing us a better system, we just do not understand and not agree with this, until we realize what a paradise it is.

And currently, an absolute majority would disagree with you and I, that there is a problem with our government so severe, that it requires a complete 180.

The people are being indoctrinated by the compulsory education according a government-approved program. This will not allow them think. They are also re-brainwashed daily through mass media. They will not support you, they will call you a terrorist.

Unless you stop the department of education for a generation at least, these people, your neighbors, will not ever realize what is happening to them, and yet, it wouldn't be right for you to change things forcibly. You can't unplug them, however bad is their system, without asking them on that.

They will take arms to protect their government and their way of life. You being 100% right about them being enslaved, doesn't change a thing. Are you ready to put them down? And no, they won't listen.

Also, remember, that to a majority in America, changing to a fair system of our forefathers would mean that they actually will have to become useful members of society again, which they currently are not. So, these majority will not support you, even if they understand you completely, even more so.

There is nothing anyone can or should do (if they want to keep their higher moral ground and put not the goal above the means), unless they first stop the department of education.


Fanta46's photo
Sat 02/28/09 11:15 AM

laugh

ANYWAY.....


The reward will be great!:wink:

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 02/28/09 11:17 AM
hush fanta....sit there and look pretty lol

how is talking about sovereignty bad??? maybe it will knock some sense into people....a wake up call

Fanta46's photo
Sat 02/28/09 11:54 AM

hush fanta....sit there and look pretty lol

how is talking about sovereignty bad??? maybe it will knock some sense into people....a wake up call


Or just a knot!!!laugh laugh

Drivinmenutz's photo
Sat 02/28/09 12:58 PM


The next step. If the Federal Government won't but out using legal methods. Then arms must be drawn and the Federal Government must be taken down. This would be a full scale revolution. This is how rights are enforced. I would feel much more comfortable if the states were on the side of the constitution rather than the federal government wouldn't you?

Which side would you fight on?


You can't do that. You can't forcibly bring the people to some happiness, if the people themselves do not want that to happen. If you act on this, you would be no different than George Bush.

What if you're wrong? What if all you think is a fantasy, that can not be a happy state to exist? You can't bring others to where you're going without their agreement.

If you can reason that bringing the people to a better system without their understanding and agreement is allowable, then you must by definition accept that whatever the authorities are doing to the people now, is they are bringing us a better system, we just do not understand and not agree with this, until we realize what a paradise it is.

And currently, an absolute majority would disagree with you and I, that there is a problem with our government so severe, that it requires a complete 180.

The people are being indoctrinated by the compulsory education according a government-approved program. This will not allow them think. They are also re-brainwashed daily through mass media. They will not support you, they will call you a terrorist.

Unless you stop the department of education for a generation at least, these people, your neighbors, will not ever realize what is happening to them, and yet, it wouldn't be right for you to change things forcibly. You can't unplug them, however bad is their system, without asking them on that.

They will take arms to protect their government and their way of life. You being 100% right about them being enslaved, doesn't change a thing. Are you ready to put them down? And no, they won't listen.

Also, remember, that to a majority in America, changing to a fair system of our forefathers would mean that they actually will have to become useful members of society again, which they currently are not. So, these majority will not support you, even if they understand you completely, even more so.

There is nothing anyone can or should do (if they want to keep their higher moral ground and put not the goal above the means), unless they first stop the department of education.




All part of a vow every american servicemen took. Most people don't pay attention.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Defending the constitution against all enemies is written first in the oath because it is greater in importance than following orders.

It's a soldier's duty. This is why i support Ron Paul. He's the only one i hear and see actually trying to hold people to the constitution.

I'm not saying that i will start a fight. But if the federal government becomes destructive to our freedoms, and militias are called upon. As a former soldier, i am obligated to lend a helping hand. (Not that the fight will ever come down to that.)

In fact, if states keep standing up against tyranny, than it won't.

But if this administration doesn't change, its gonna be a bumpy raod one way or another...


Enough of this stuff, this is only worst case senarios. But I do know people have a lot of learning.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Sat 02/28/09 01:10 PM


The next step. If the Federal Government won't but out using legal methods. Then arms must be drawn and the Federal Government must be taken down. This would be a full scale revolution. This is how rights are enforced. I would feel much more comfortable if the states were on the side of the constitution rather than the federal government wouldn't you?

Which side would you fight on?


You can't do that. You can't forcibly bring the people to some happiness, if the people themselves do not want that to happen. If you act on this, you would be no different than George Bush.

What if you're wrong? What if all you think is a fantasy, that can not be a happy state to exist? You can't bring others to where you're going without their agreement.

If you can reason that bringing the people to a better system without their understanding and agreement is allowable, then you must by definition accept that whatever the authorities are doing to the people now, is they are bringing us a better system, we just do not understand and not agree with this, until we realize what a paradise it is.

And currently, an absolute majority would disagree with you and I, that there is a problem with our government so severe, that it requires a complete 180.

The people are being indoctrinated by the compulsory education according a government-approved program. This will not allow them think. They are also re-brainwashed daily through mass media. They will not support you, they will call you a terrorist.

Unless you stop the department of education for a generation at least, these people, your neighbors, will not ever realize what is happening to them, and yet, it wouldn't be right for you to change things forcibly. You can't unplug them, however bad is their system, without asking them on that.

They will take arms to protect their government and their way of life. You being 100% right about them being enslaved, doesn't change a thing. Are you ready to put them down? And no, they won't listen.

Also, remember, that to a majority in America, changing to a fair system of our forefathers would mean that they actually will have to become useful members of society again, which they currently are not. So, these majority will not support you, even if they understand you completely, even more so.

There is nothing anyone can or should do (if they want to keep their higher moral ground and put not the goal above the means), unless they first stop the department of education.




If states get their way, then the department of education will no longer be in control. Education is one fo the things these staes want the federal government to stay the hell out.

Healthcare, education, along with most laws should be under state authority, NOT the federal government. The responsibility of the Federal Government ENDS at defending us from foriegn invaders, and holding the states to the constitution. This means they are entitled to make a handful of common sense laws, prohibiting people from hurting each other, and to protect people from monopolies, but that's it.

Looking at history expanding governments always mark the beginning of a nation's downfall. Look at Rome, just before the Ceasars took over. They had a republic, and it fell. It traveled the same road we are traveling.

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Sat 02/28/09 01:17 PM
If states get their way, then the department of education will no longer be in control. Education is one fo the things these staes want the federal government to stay the hell out.

Healthcare, education, along with most laws should be under state authority, NOT the federal government. The responsibility of the Federal Government ENDS at defending us from foriegn invaders, and holding the states to the constitution. This means they are entitled to make a handful of common sense laws, prohibiting people from hurting each other, and to protect people from monopolies, but that's it.

Looking at history expanding governments always mark the beginning of a nation's downfall. Look at Rome, just before the Ceasars took over. They had a republic, and it fell. It traveled the same road we are traveling.


W O R D . .

Drivinmenutz's photo
Sat 02/28/09 01:18 PM




The next step. If the Federal Government won't but out using legal methods. Then arms must be drawn and the Federal Government must be taken down. This would be a full scale revolution. This is how rights are enforced. I would feel much more comfortable if the states were on the side of the constitution rather than the federal government wouldn't you?

Which side would you fight on?

Can't see that happening. There are not that many active State Militias and the ones that are active aren't very organized.
Like a lady before said. The individual who tries to defend themselves may go down in a blaze of glory and the Feds will just say they had just rid the neighborhood of another terrorist.
What we will need is for the States themselves to call the citizens to volunteer defense service.


Already happening. The militias are the strongest they've been in decades, if not centuries.

It might be advisable for them to start recruiting and getting authoritative and financial backing from the States.
I would also like to see like States uniting their militias.



States aren't uniting yet, but i would like to see it as well. But the leaders of these militias have spoken to congress, warning them of actions that MAY come if congress doesn't change their ways. This started happening after the first bailout. They have been recuiting and gathering funding, although my state hasn't to my knowledge....

You know something.... We wouldn't need this if the people simply stockpiled gold and silver, and started using that to trade instead of U.S. Dollars. The poor monetary theories that have been exercised that pretty much started this all would come crashing down, and fast. Especially when the purchasing power of the dollar plummets.

A group of people already tried this. They minted coins to represent gold and silver reserves they had stashed. They were trading these amounst themselves. These coins were supposedly confiscated by the FBI. Not sure about any details...

Is having strong currency a crime now? Our constitution states gold and silver are the only legal tender. Why is it illegal to use it?

nogames39's photo
Sat 02/28/09 01:37 PM
Edited by nogames39 on Sat 02/28/09 01:43 PM
Because it is stated on FRNs that they are the legal tender.

So, this means, you will have accept FRNs one to one, "as a payment of all debts", and that includes loaned gold or silver.

So, you lend gold, but will be paid back in FRNs, well actually $50 for every ounce you loaned.

This is called Grisham's law. Bad money drives out good money, if both forced to be equal.

nogames39's photo
Sat 02/28/09 01:37 PM
Edited by nogames39 on Sat 02/28/09 01:47 PM
Secondly, our legal money is still gold. That is why mint still issues gold coins.

FED is a private bank, it can issue anything it wants.

The only question is how did they fiddled around the illegality of the legal tender statement on FRNs? My guess would be that the supreme court has agreed to never take this issue, that is all. So, even though FED has a right to print paper crap, they can't call it legal tender, but, to sue them, you'd need the supremes to take the case, which they will simply ignore forever.

Like I said, you can't trust nobody. Founders trusted supreme court. Huge mistake.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 02/28/09 01:42 PM