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| Topic: Evolution Is it Compatible With THE BIBLE? - part 2 | |
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Well Eljay, the way I understand it, evolution does not happen overnight. I could be wrong.  I've heard the same thing. How convienient. Sort of justifies the lack of demonstratable evidence to say it takes a few million years for this to happen. But hey - it's a fact you know. Just take our word for it. No wait... can't relly on human testimony. Now what. Sounds like a religion to me. The thing is Elijay, we have posted evidence after evidence, and each time you just brush it off, without actually looking at it. For instance: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html Also, the big difference between Religion and Science(and Evolution) is that religion is set-up for "just take my word for it"(i.e. Papal Infallibility, in layman's terms, if the Pope says god told him, you have to take it on faith as being true) In Science, you have peer review. Basically, you come up with a (testable) theory, it has to stand up to people trying to disprove it. Also, you have to keep in mind the Scientific definition of the word "theory", which, is basically, an idea that ties a group of facts together. Inkracer...about your article: ALL that is occurring there are mutations ....which is all still occurring WITHIN ITS OWN KIND. It is still BACTERIA!!!! In other words, the bacteria did not become something of an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT KIND!! It is still bacteria..still occurring within its own "KIND". And btw, creationist have NO argument about the mutations occuring.... because in this case, the mutations did not mutate into anything other than what it already was. So..that "opinion" stated at the end of the article , was just the author's "opinion" only. Does any of this help make things a bit more clearer now, Inkracer?   You might want to read everything before you respond. The article isn't just some scientist's opinion on what they observed. Before a scientific article is written and published, the experiment undergoes a peer review. Before the article was written, other scientists tried to disprove the results, and couldn't. I will always trust the scientists that are actually working on trying to understand the world around us, more then someone who uses a book that is approaching 2000 yrs. old simply has a weapon against learning, and reason. So the question remains... Was DNA information lost - or added? Because THAT is the true crux of the matter. Ever see anythin concerning THIS information given? |
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Well Eljay, the way I understand it, evolution does not happen overnight. I could be wrong. I've heard the same thing. How convienient. Sort of justifies the lack of demonstratable evidence to say it takes a few million years for this to happen. But hey - it's a fact you know. Just take our word for it. No wait... can't relly on human testimony. Now what. Sounds like a religion to me. I never said how long it takes. But you can see there are differences between these chimps compared to other chimps. Did you not read the descriptions? I don't study the scientific theory of evolution. I know very little about it. I know that it is just science. I am not threatened by it. It does not shake my spiritual life or my foundations of faith like it obviously seems to do to some some people who worship the Bible. It is the Bible you are defending Eljay, not God. Why don't you realize that? Besides, people have posted plenty of evidence, you just don't read it. I'm not defending the bible - I'm questioing Evolution. If that is all you are doing then that's okay by me. Question away. But if you are really curious about it, you may want to study it a little and then you would be more prepared to debate the issues. |
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Well Eljay, the way I understand it, evolution does not happen overnight. I could be wrong. I've heard the same thing. How convienient. Sort of justifies the lack of demonstratable evidence to say it takes a few million years for this to happen. But hey - it's a fact you know. Just take our word for it. No wait... can't relly on human testimony. Now what. Sounds like a religion to me. The thing is Elijay, we have posted evidence after evidence, and each time you just brush it off, without actually looking at it. For instance: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html Also, the big difference between Religion and Science(and Evolution) is that religion is set-up for "just take my word for it"(i.e. Papal Infallibility, in layman's terms, if the Pope says god told him, you have to take it on faith as being true) In Science, you have peer review. Basically, you come up with a (testable) theory, it has to stand up to people trying to disprove it. Also, you have to keep in mind the Scientific definition of the word "theory", which, is basically, an idea that ties a group of facts together. Inkracer...about your article: ALL that is occurring there are mutations ....which is all still occurring WITHIN ITS OWN KIND. It is still BACTERIA!!!! In other words, the bacteria did not become something of an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT KIND!! It is still bacteria..still occurring within its own "KIND". And btw, creationist have NO argument about the mutations occuring.... because in this case, the mutations did not mutate into anything other than what it already was. So..that "opinion" stated at the end of the article , was just the author's "opinion" only. Does any of this help make things a bit more clearer now, Inkracer? You might want to read everything before you respond. The article isn't just some scientist's opinion on what they observed. Before a scientific article is written and published, the experiment undergoes a peer review. Before the article was written, other scientists tried to disprove the results, and couldn't. I will always trust the scientists that are actually working on trying to understand the world around us, more then someone who uses a book that is approaching 2000 yrs. old simply has a weapon against learning, and reason. Exactly |
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Ever WONDER WHY...... some folks are SO QUICK TO BELIEVE ..... that MAN shares a COMMON ANCESTOR with a CHIMP ..... BUT are SO VERY QUICK TO NOT BELIEVE .... THAT MAN WAS ACTUALLY CREATED IN GOD'S VERY IMAGE ? Ever WONDER WHY? Ever WONDER WHO ..... is the one....... BLINDING some folks eyes like that?? So they CANNOT SEE ? EVER WONDER ? |
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Edited by
Eljay
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Well Eljay, the way I understand it, evolution does not happen overnight. I could be wrong. I've heard the same thing. How convienient. Sort of justifies the lack of demonstratable evidence to say it takes a few million years for this to happen. But hey - it's a fact you know. Just take our word for it. No wait... can't relly on human testimony. Now what. Sounds like a religion to me. I never said how long it takes. But you can see there are differences between these chimps compared to other chimps. Did you not read the descriptions? I don't study the scientific theory of evolution. I know very little about it. I know that it is just science. I am not threatened by it. It does not shake my spiritual life or my foundations of faith like it obviously seems to do to some some people who worship the Bible. It is the Bible you are defending Eljay, not God. Why don't you realize that? Besides, people have posted plenty of evidence, you just don't read it. I'm not defending the bible - I'm questioing Evolution. If that is all you are doing then that's okay by me. Question away. But if you are really curious about it, you may want to study it a little and then you would be more prepared to debate the issues. I have - extensively. That is why I'm asking the questions I ask - because I see all of these claims that there's evidence - but I'm not being told or demonstrated what that evidence is. I would think if there was empirical "evidence" for evolution, that it would be pretty silly to have faith in the bible. But I've never seen, nor heard of anything about Evolution that is not conjecture. |
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When Santa Clause comes down from the north pole and smites the Easter Bunny, the great pumpkin shall be revealed as the tooth fairy. Then Jesus will resurrect and reveal himself to be the true buddha and mohamed will be so overwhelmed by awe he will fallow the true buddha to ragnarok to face Zues and Odin in the final war on earth.  Dis iz da trew holey scripcher
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I will always trust the scientists that are actually working on trying to understand the world around us, more then someone who uses a book that is approaching 2000 yrs. old simply has a weapon against learning, and reason. Not only is it constantly used as as weapon against learning and reason, but it supports male chuavinist and justifies treating anyone who doesn't agree with the book as being 'treated' as though they are 'heathens'. It's a very negative book that makes both God and Mankind out to be compeltely idiots. It was written by a very crude arrogant culture who tried to make out like God was on THEIR SIDE in all their battles which were of course against, 'Heathens'. And that utterly ignorant mentality hasn't ceased today. It continues to be the view that anyone who doesn't become as bigoted as the Bible in the name of God is being BLINDED by an evil Satan. How disgusting is that? If there is an evil Satan I think it's pretty clear that HE'S the one who wrote the Bible! It just causes people to become bigots in the name of God, and preach that eveyone is a sinner and had fallen short of their creator. It's nothing short of DISGUSTING. And it has absolutley no more merit than Greek Mythology. It's every bit as absurd and ignorant if not MORE SO! I personally feel that the Bible is a disgrace to both mankind and any creator that might actually exist. All it does is cause people to JUDGE others for NOT BELIEVING in this stupid hateful book! It's about as ungodly as a doctrine can be! |
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But Eljay,
I don't see any real conflict between evolution, a scientific theory, and the Bible, a faith based ancient scripture that supports many different religions. They aren't the slightest bit related. Scientists don't even consider it a contest. They don't care or worry about the faith based religious notions. They discarded them long ago and moved on. They are not going door to door trying to convert people to believe in evolution. They are just looking for answers in a scientific way Eljay. So whether they prove anything to you or anyone else or not is irrelevant. It is still up to you to decide what you choose to believe. |
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Ever WONDER WHY...... some folks are SO QUICK TO BELIEVE ..... that MAN shares a COMMON ANCESTOR with a CHIMP ..... BUT are SO VERY QUICK TO NOT BELIEVE .... THAT MAN WAS ACTUALLY CREATED IN GOD'S VERY IMAGE ? Ever WONDER WHY? Ever WONDER WHO ..... is this one....... BLINDING some folks eyes like that?? So they CANNOT SEE ? EVER WONDER ? This flies in the very face of it being FREE CHOICE MorningSong. If some stupid fallen angel can blind people from God and force God to have his son nailed to a pole I think we'd have to concede that Satan has the upper hand. Clearly the idea of a Satan who makes people do bad things is silly. If that were true then the people who did those things couldn't be held responsible for them. The whole idea of Satan is a totally useless concept. It was originally invented to scare people who can't THINK well enough to see through it. The very idea of a fallen angel who could BLIND people from God who are TRYING to get to God, denies the very premise that God cares about people who are TRYING to get to him. The FACT of the matter is that the Bible is NOT A GOOD BOOK! In fact a person would need to be BLIND to think that it is! Not the other way around. How can you condone so much male chauvinism and hatred toward heathens in the name of God MorningSong? You're not supporint GOD, you're supporting the ignorant men who wrote the Bible. You should know that what they said in that book is NOT GOOD. |
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When Santa Clause comes down from the north pole and smites the Easter Bunny, the great pumpkin shall be revealed as the tooth fairy. Then Jesus will resurrect and reveal himself to be the true buddha and mohamed will be so overwhelmed by awe he will fallow the true buddha to ragnarok to face Zues and Odin in the final war on earth. Dis iz da trew holey scripcher |
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When Santa Clause comes down from the north pole and smites the Easter Bunny, the great pumpkin shall be revealed as the tooth fairy. Then Jesus will resurrect and reveal himself to be the true buddha and mohamed will be so overwhelmed by awe he will fallow the true buddha to ragnarok to face Zues and Odin in the final war on earth. Hey if I keep posting this crap does it make it true. Why don't you come back into this discussion when you gtow up little boy, and have something to offer. We've had many Trolls come and go with much better than this. |
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When Santa Clause comes down from the north pole and smites the Easter Bunny, the great pumpkin shall be revealed as the tooth fairy. Then Jesus will resurrect and reveal himself to be the true buddha and mohamed will be so overwhelmed by awe he will fallow the true buddha to ragnarok to face Zues and Odin in the final war on earth. Hey if I keep posting this crap does it make it true. Why don't you come back into this discussion when you gtow up little boy, and have something to offer. We've had many Trolls come and go with much better than this.  Who dares to bash my spiritual brother?
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When Santa Clause comes down from the north pole and smites the Easter Bunny, the great pumpkin shall be revealed as the tooth fairy. Then Jesus will resurrect and reveal himself to be the true buddha and mohamed will be so overwhelmed by awe he will fallow the true buddha to ragnarok to face Zues and Odin in the final war on earth. Hey if I keep posting this crap does it make it true. Why don't you come back into this discussion when you gtow up little boy, and have something to offer. We've had many Trolls come and go with much better than this. Who dares to bash my spiritual brother? He reminds me of Rabbit. We haven't had a Troll in a long time. I guess we're due, eH? |
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Jess642
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When Santa Clause comes down from the north pole and smites the Easter Bunny, the great pumpkin shall be revealed as the tooth fairy. Then Jesus will resurrect and reveal himself to be the true buddha and mohamed will be so overwhelmed by awe he will fallow the true buddha to ragnarok to face Zues and Odin in the final war on earth. Hey if I keep posting this crap does it make it true. Why don't you come back into this discussion when you gtow up little boy, and have something to offer. We've had many Trolls come and go with much better than this. Who dares to bash my spiritual brother? He reminds me of Rabbit. We haven't had a Troll in a long time. I guess we're due, eH? Why is it that the initial post is so abhorant...? The guy expressed quite clearly his views...that mythology gets in the way of evidential facts. For him he views Christianity, as well as Nordic religions as myth... I don't understand the need to dismiss his views, and decide that one MUST ONLY respond in one way... the way of someone who decided his way was the RIGHT way... oh wait! That's the whole bone of contention in these threads!!!!!!!!!! Carry on.... you people are showing yourself...you may wish to tuck a few things back in. |
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Theshortelktonman..in your photo, you appear to
be quite an intelligent young man, with a very caring sensitive heart. Just Be YOU ...Allow the special person you already are... to just shine thru!!! Be Blessed Now,Theshortelktonman. |
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Theshortelktonman..in your photo, you appear to be quite an intelligent young man, with a very caring sensitive heart. Just Be YOU ...Allow the special person you already are... to just shine thru!!! Be Blessed Now,Theshortelktonman. MorningSong, 'Theshortelktonman' IS blessed now!!! He IS shining through, and fully expressed! So much so, that Eljay and you are now picking in him for not sharing in with your fables on the one hand, and Eljay's misleading 'pseudo-intello-scientifico' perversions on the other hand. Be still for a moment 'morningsong'. Sit back and empty your heart and soul of all those noisy prejudices which cloud you from the spirit. You too shall sense and be blessed by the light shining through 'Theshortelktonman' ! Open-up 'Morningsong'. Let go of your pagan ways, and plug-in directly to the source. You're almost there 'morningsong'! Let go! Let go! |
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Theshortelktonman..in your photo, you appear to be quite an intelligent young man, with a very caring sensitive heart. Just Be YOU ...Allow the special person you already are... to just shine thru!!! Be Blessed Now,Theshortelktonman. sweet now with the blessings of Moriningsong and the combined brotherhood of MirrorMirror and Theshortelkton man the path shall be revealed. |
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The Shortelktonman has a point all you guys there seems to be on these forums is a bunch of polarized "No you can't: Yes I can: No you Can't: Yes I can" with a bunch of silly quick witted quotes from the bible or an excerpt from a scientific piece. He is the only one acting like a child on purpose.
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The Shortelktonman has a point all you guys there seems to be on these forums is a bunch of polarized "No you can't: Yes I can: No you Can't: Yes I can" with a bunch of silly quick witted quotes from the bible or an excerpt from a scientific piece. He is the only one acting like a child on purpose. How would you know that? I always act like a child on purpose. Na na na na na...  
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The Shortelktonman has a point all you guys there seems to be on these forums is a bunch of polarized "No you can't: Yes I can: No you Can't: Yes I can" with a bunch of silly quick witted quotes from the bible or an excerpt from a scientific piece. He is the only one acting like a child on purpose. How would you know that? I always act like a child on purpose. Na na na na na... good so we know your post on this particular thread are not what you really believe right? |
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