Have you heard of the scientific studies on spontaneous evolution?


No magic wands, no dust with air blown into them, no spare ribs to make another one crap...

evidence................*insert ominous dom dom dommmmmmmmm music here*

micro..macro...either way.....something evolved from something according to that definition.
1 orgamism could have been around for hundreds of years....then through evolution, 2 or 3 types of orgaisms could exist.
throughout the thousands of years earth has existed, beginning from the growth of one organism or cell, the number 1 has grown exponentially into millions.

or do you believe that noah captured 2 of every creature on one large boat to survive a great storm?

Hahahahah!!!!!! We tried that last week... with a cyclone pending... three male neutered cats and a neutered female dog later, we gave it a rest!

this is an argument religion can just not win. unless they play the mentally insane card...

it isn't an argument....it is two opposing veiws on the same subject.


Each to their own.

ha! id like to think that...but being a human being with the worlds #1 superpower (the usa) pretty much running this world on religion for the most part....or at least for the last 8 years, i take great interest on how warped some peoples minds can get

Number what??? Super what???

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!


I don't be thinking so....

you throw out the word 'evidence' then provide none....and you accompany that with music? please provide your 'evidence'

Sure... I'll show you mine, if you show me yours.........

Here's a peek....big fella..

Spontaneous evolution of modularity and network motifs
Nadav Kashtan and Uri Alon*
+Author Affiliations

Departments of Molecular Cell Biology and Physics of Complex Systems, The Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot 76100, Israel

Edited by Curtis G. Callan, Jr., Princeton University, Princeton, NJ, and approved August 2, 2005 (received for review May 10, 2005)

Abstract


Biological networks have an inherent simplicity: they are modular with a design that can be separated into units that perform almost independently. Furthermore, they show reuse of recurring patterns termed network motifs. Little is known about the evolutionary origin of these properties.

Current models of biological evolution typically produce networks that are highly nonmodular and lack understandable motifs. Here, we suggest a possible explanation for the origin of modularity and network motifs in biology. We use standard evolutionary algorithms to evolve networks. A key feature in this study is evolution under an environment (evolutionary goal) that changes in a modular fashion. That is, we repeatedly switch between several goals, each made of a different combination of subgoals. We find that such “modularly varying goals” lead to the spontaneous evolution of modular network structure and network motifs.

The resulting networks rapidly evolve to satisfy each of the different goals. Such switching between related goals may represent biological evolution in a changing environment that requires different combinations of a set of basic biological functions. The present study may shed light on the evolutionary forces that promote structural simplicity in biological networks and offers ways to improve the evolutionary design of engineered systems.



or for the full text....http://www.pnas.org/content/102/39/13773.full

1.Macro-Evolution is just a group of Micro-Evolutions.
2. The Big Bang Theory has to do with the start of the universe, not with the start of life on earth.
3. Evolution has to deal with the changes that have happened since life began, not how life began.
4.No, Evolution does not work by a cell/organism knowing what it will evolve into.

Or perhaps this.... as a sneak preview?



Spontaneous Evolution

by Bruce Lipton


If looking at today’s headlines makes you wonder about the fate of our planet, here is some news that may surprise you: from an evolutionary standpoint, we are exactly where we need to be.

According to eminent biologist Bruce H. Lipton and political and cultural commentator Steve Bhaerman, we are surrounded by the proof that we are poised to take an incredible step forward in the growth of our species.

On Spontaneous Evolution, you are invited to participate in an eye-opening examination of science and history—one that leads to a profound vision of the next “holistic” stage of human civilization.

Join these two pioneers as they explore:
• the three perennial questions any belief system needs to address, and why the answers have changed throughout history

• the four “Myth-Perceptions of the Apocalypse”: the unexamined pillars that support modern thought, and why each one of them is ready to crumble

• Why the blueprint for a brighter future is literally inside you—encoded into each of your trillions of cells

• What you can do to help usher in the greatest cultural shift since the Copernican revolution

Many of the ideas and institutions that define our culture today are breaking down—and that’s a good thing, say Lipton and Bhaerman. This is a necessary part of the natural process of clearing out what no longer serves us to make room for a new way of being that will carry us into the next age.

Spontaneous Evolution is an insightful, playful, and ultimately hopeful look at the unfolding destiny of our species—and how you can play an active role as a co-creator of the world to come.

More on Spontaneous Evolution....



If the existence of what is referred to as the ‘mind/body connection’, which has spawned a massive industry of complementary medicine and given rise to a radical new mindset, still sounds like bunkum to you, hold onto your seat and read on.

The new sciences quantum physics and epigenetics are revolutionising our understanding of the link between mind and matter, challenging established scientific theories and prompting a complete re-evaluation of life as we have known it.

One of the shining lights to emerge from these new sciences is cellular biologist and best selling author, Bruce Lipton PhD, whose book, The Biology of Belief, was awarded 2006’s Best Science Book of the Year.

Lipton maintains that pivotal to this shift in thinking within the scientific community has been groundbreaking insight into the function of genes.

Bruce Lipton: The old vision was that genes are selfactualising (turn on and off). But current data reveals that there is no such thing as an on/off function for a gene because genes are blueprints (plans) to make proteins, which are the building blocks that give shape to the structure.


The significance of this shift in belief is vast in that the original view led to the notion that we are victims of our biology. Whereas the ‘new’ sciences show that we are actually masters of our biology.

The old vision was formulated by Francis Crick, who together with James Watson deciphered the structure of the DNA
molecule in 1953. Based on experiments that were taken out of context but supported what he and Watson were thinking, Crick became completely enamoured with the belief that DNA controls life. Crick came up with what is referred to in literature as the ‘central dogma’, the belief that DNA rules.

The crucial thing here is that this was only a hypothesis. There was never any scientific validation for it yet we all bought it because a belief already existed that this would be the answer to what controls life so when the data looked like it would fit it was simply assumed that this was right. (Lipton, who taught Cell Biology at the University of Wisconsin’s School of Medicine was one of thousands of lecturers who taught the theory.)

This dogma became so fundamental to modern biology it was practically written in stone. It was the equivalent of science’s Ten Commandments.

In the dogma’s scheme of how life unfolds, DNA perched loftily on top, followed by RNA – the short-lived ‘Xerox’ copy of the DNA. The new understanding of how genes work is that this hypothesis is incorrect because genes are actually
blueprints that are read.

Or this...........????????

(can I play my music, yet?)




Bruce Lipton, Ph.D.
The Biology of Consciousness

About Bruce Lipton


Scientist, author, university professor and lecturer, Bruce Lipton, compares the evolution of the cell to that of humankind; clearly demonstrates that much of our technology is in direct imitation of Nature’s designs for cell structures.

The myths of genes vs. the magic of membranes. Case made that it is not our genes, but our environment, and our perception of the environment, that ultimately regulates our health and behavior. Based upon his research at Stanford University, Dr. Lipton's most recent research publications on the regulation of cell behavior have yielded insight into the molecular basis of consciousness and the future of human evolution.

What is most exciting is that there are patterns in evolution, and the development of community is part of one of these patterns. Bruce is on the cutting edge of the New Biology, which, like the New Physics, is changing the way we see things.

In this we find that much of Neo-Darwinian biology is gravely in error and that the bleak picture it paints of our future is, at most, a self-fulfilling prophecy. The vision of the New Biology is far more hopeful.



And still no god squad in sight........no bibles... no man made rhetoric wrapped in parchment..

YES! The Zeus-inspired demons are dying. Thank Google!



As a species we're finally beginning to realize that all of our ancient orthodox views and beliefs were indeed nothing more than unsubstantiated myths of men based on fear, lust, and a need to control and/or be controlled.



We are about to move on to becoming genuine co-creators of our future instead of viewing ourselves as the helpless victims of the wrath of an egotistical jealous God who's master plan is to become the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and cast all his enemies into a hell fire. Who needs a God who has so many enemies anyway?

It's about time we quit thinking of God as an insecure jealous demon who lusts for authority and start recognizing the fact that we are the fruit of our own creation. We can choose to continue to create an imaginary jealous God, or we can move forward to create genuine love and appreciation of nature.

It makes no sense to hate nature and pretend to love God. We've been living that lie far too long and our history shows just how ugly that lie truly is. It's nothing but finger-pointing and bloodshed in the name of a jealous egotistical godhead. What good does that oppressive negative philosophy have to offer? The only potential fruit it has to offer is the appeasement of the ficticious jealous egostitical godhead. But clearly if such a God existed it wouldn't be worth appeasing anyway. So it wasn't even a very well-thought-out myth.

A God who has to make threats of eternal damnation to anyone who refuses to love him is beyond pathetic anyway. Let's all thank the intelligent scientists who have moved us away from those hopless and dimsal dark ages.

You give me a chapter from a book on of one persons current so called discoveries, but even he starts off saying 'if the existence of the mind/body connection' basically exist. Implying that these THEORIES just like evolution need to be time-tested to be proven. But look at how long we tested Darwinian Evolution...still with no solid proof. A theory in which even he himself renounced. So your evidence is a book writting by one man on what he believes is a new way of looking at things?

You expect me to take that at face value?

When you won't take a book written by many authors over a period of time who all basically say the same thing and the overall message is the same regardless of how far apart the books were written?

One of the real cool things about science isaac, is that no one gets to play, or to even write an article in ANY scientific journal unless it is substantiated by academic peers...it's called peer reveiw.

a couple of hundred years of hearsay storytellers, edited by a group of power mongers at the Nicean Council whatsit..(help me out here Abra...the place where a group of religious zealots decided what would be edited from the original texts of the bible?)counts as some form of facts?


Truth be told.... your substantiation... and my substantiation don't match...

so we sit in opposition.

I don't need to convince you.... all I need to do is provide information why I believe what I do...

and you provide information why you do.

simple... I'll evolve and you can devolve, and I shall play my music whilst you critique that which is opposing your beliefs..

simple.

Jess, I have a thread on genes and whether we are biological machines I would like to take a couple of your posts here on that subject and put them on my thread. Thanks for the great information.

There's no credibilty to the Bible whatsoever IMHO.



That's a total farce.

The Bible isn't a single book. It's a collection of stories like Jess pointed out. It contains stories that were selected by a group of people who were trying to build a picture that they wanted to create.

Moreover, it's not true that the overall message is the same regardless how far apart the books were written. That's simply flat-out false.

The Bible conflicts with its own message on just about every other page, it even does this within "books" of the cannon.

And this is especially true between the Old and New testaments. In the Old Testament God told people to judge each other and stone sinners to death.

This is a sick notion to begin with. Why would an all-powerful God be asking mere mortals to do his judging and excuting for him?

Clearly this makes far more sense that mortal men wrote these texts in an attempt to get their followers to do their dirty work. No all-powerful surpreme being would have ever needed to rely on mortal men to judge each other and carry out his executions for him. So that's a dead give-a-way right there that those earily texts were not written by any supreme being. They were written by mortal men who were trying to get the masses to do their murdering for them.

Moreover, in the New Testament Jesus himself denounced these very things and taught not to judge others and he clearly denounced the stoning of sinners as well. Some religious people will try to claim that Jesus didn't support this, but if that's true then what exactly do THEY think Jesus' message was?

The Old Texts also had God telling people to seek vengence as an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, but the New Testament has Jesus renouncing the seeking of vengence and teaching forgiveness and to turn the other cheek.

So your claim that it's the same message throughout is simply not true at all. It's grossly conflicts with it's own messages.

And that leads use to yet another observation. Why would an all-wise God send mixed messages? Clearly that's not a wise thing to do.

Just think about it.

According to the Old Testament the God of Abraham instructed the Jews that it is their duty to seek out and murder heathens.

He never renounced that. In fact, even in Jesus' day the Jews were still prepared to stone heathens to death for blaspheme just as the God of Abraham had commanded them to do as their duty to God.

So you tell me why this supposedly all-wise God would send his only begotten son into the very crowed that he had just instructed to murder heathens!

And then Jesus denounces the very teachings of the God of Abraham and teachings just the opposite things!

It thought you said the book contained a consistent message? I don't think so!

Moreover, if the Jews did have Jesus cruficied by the Romans they were only doing precisely what the God of Abraham had demanded that they do as their duty.

Clearly this collection of stories is totally screwy and isn't even close to being consistent.

So you're way off base suggesting that it is consistent. There's nothing consistent about it. And it most certainly doesn't relfect the notion of a very 'wise' God.

I think the fact that these stories were made up by men has been proven by the very inconsistencies of the authors of the Bible.

The book is man made mythology. It's crystal clear.

There can be no doubt.