but again....no one from the evolution side can prove where the "dot" that started everything came from

evolution can't prove that anymore than creationism. at some point we all have to say "I don't know". for creationism, it's a matter of faith

this is my whole point

lol JB....scarey huh? how did people argue without the net??? lol

this is my whole point

lol JB....scarey huh? how did people argue without the net??? lol

Evolution has nothing to do with the "dot" at the center of the Big Bang Theory.

I don't know what you are talking about when you say the 'dot.'
But I don't think evolution is trying to solve that problem. They are just looking at fossils and evidence and trying to learn something.

I don't think its a big deal to get upset about, and it does not destroy my faith in the slightest.

I still believe in myself.

if you reread the posts....the dot was just something to use for a lack of a better term. the dot is what started everything

Well, Evolution only deals with what happened after that point, not what cause it.

"The origin of life is a necessary precursor for biological evolution, but understanding that evolution occurred once organisms appeared and investigating how this happens does not depend on understanding exactly how life began. The current scientific consensus is that the complex biochemistry that makes up life came from simpler chemical reactions, but it is unclear how this occurred. Not much is certain about the earliest developments in life, the structure of the first living things, or the identity and nature of any last universal common ancestor or ancestral gene pool. Consequently, there is no scientific consensus on how life began, but proposals include self-replicating molecules such as RNA, and the assembly of simple cells."

The above is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution#Origin_of_life

and as everyone argues the right and wrongs in life, I see on the news how people discovered a species never seen before, which is a half frog and half fish floating around.

Talking about weird

abra


Again doll......you can't change what just is.

So let's look at the whole picture according to God's will

FCL, you constantly come in here, and tell us that "we can't use bits and pieces, and we need to look at the whole story"

Why is it then, that you are allowed to take the bits and pieces of evolution, instead of looking at the whole picture?

Very Hypocritical, and not very Christian(at least the "christian" you would like us to believe anyway) is it?

I saw the whole picture and it didn't add up so I left.



And you can't take one lil itty piece of scripture and then interpret it wrong and let it fly with me....I frankly don't care ink what you or abra think...because I am not doing it for you....You have your beliefs and I am fine with it.....but I won't let him butcher scripture and get away with it..simple as that.

abra


Again doll......you can't change what just is.

So let's look at the whole picture according to God's will

Matthew 1:1
The Genealogy of Jesus, A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Matthew 1:16
and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Matthew 1:21
She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."

Matthew 2:1
[ The Visit of the Magi ] After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem History

Matthew 3:16
As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.

Matthew 4:4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.' "

Matthew 4:7
Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "

NOW THIS IS JESUS SPEAKING.....AND THERE WERE WITNESSES

Matthew 4:10
Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' "

THIS DOES NOT SAY GOD'S NOW DOES IT....AGAIN SPOKEN BY JESUS

Matthew 7:28
When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching,

NOW AGAIN CROWDS MANY MANY WITNESSES

Abra said:

Sorry Feral but it doesn't even make these claims in the Bible!

In fact according to the gospels of John Jesus clearly stated that it's not even important at all to believe in him.

John 12:47 "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

According to John Jesus said that he did NOT come to judge the world.

Oh but God does....and that is stated clearly, also as far as believing in God's one and only that he was sent to this world to live as a man and die for our sins....so again not understanding what you are reading abra.

John 3:16

16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.


John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."

John 10:36
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?

John 11:4
When he heard this, Jesus said, "This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God's glory so that God's Son may be glorified through it."

Romans 5:10
For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Hebrews 3:6
But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast.

1 John 5:9
We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son.

So once again, thou abra know not what he speaks.

I do tell you that no man can be righteous no man no woman......look above....reject the Son.....reject the Father God.....Whom is well pleased with his Son, and sent him with a purpose....whether you accept it or not.


Abra said......

first off it's Luke 6:37 but ok......But again you can't just take one lil bit and run with it abra. So again let's get a lil more meat here abra. First off in Luke 6:32-38 These are the Rules of Kingdom of God....

Luke Jesus speaking

32"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. 33And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. 34And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. 35But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

Judging Others Jesus speaking

37"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

39He also told them this parable: "Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher.

So again abra I am no ones judge, I put out what is the truth for me, as only I can. There is a difference in saying Debbie you are judging when truly I am not...I am putting the gospels out there which is what I should do...Judge never only God can do that.

There were only very few who were sinless and truly righteous abra.....Jesus, Moses to name a few. I am not, you are not, and that is just a fact.

Now let's taking Jesus and what does he say......Yes Jesus because again don't believe that the writers of the Bible were there walking with Jesus, Jesus was their teacher and this I believe with all that I am...But again everyone's choice.

The Great Commission Jesus speaking

16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Now take the above and understand that when Jesus commanded his disciples to go and make disciples of ALL NATIONS to the end of the age.....ALWAYS FOREVER AND NOW. So do I have a right to put up scripture yes I do. Now again you claim Jesus said nothing in the Bible...but again you are wrong...All that Jesus commanded of his disciples and of all people to the end of the age is in the Bible. Now if I as a believer in God, Jesus and the Bible did not believe that the biblical text was not of God.....why would God let it be around 2,000 after it was written.

Now as for not believing in the Bible.....again choice.....But in Psalms 1 this is what is clear.


2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
and on his law he meditates day and night.

Now if we did not have the Bible we would not know the laws.....so therefore to not believe in the scriptures is against God.

Psalms 4

2 How long, O men, will you turn my glory into shame
How long will you love delusions and seek false gods


3 Know that the LORD has set apart the godly for himself;
the LORD will hear when I call to him.

4 In your anger do not sin;
when you are on your beds,
search your hearts and be silent.

The Narrow and Wide Gates Jesus speaking

13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

The Wise and Foolish Builders

24"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

28When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.



Again believe in Buddah or that you are god the flowers and so on and so on.....but it clearly states that you shall not believe in false gods or idols.....

And clearly abra you read into what it is that makes it work for you...that is the big difference between us...I follow the Lord, The Savior He is not and never will be my equal...The Lord God is above all.

And again my friend before you cast that stone.....judgement of me is all through your writings I don't judge I just tell it like it is.

abra


Again doll......you can't change what just is.

So let's look at the whole picture according to God's will

Matthew 1:1
The Genealogy of Jesus, A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Matthew 1:16
and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Reminds me of a project we did once a long time ago with 30 students.

The one with the story will whisper in the second person in the row as the second person in the row tells the third person in the row until it reaches the writer who is the 30th person waiting with his pen and paper to write the story.

As the last person writes the story he is then to read it out loud in front of class.

You will be surprised in the end that the story is not what the first person came up with having a totally misinterpeted story all together.

So in the end when it comes to a book where many people take credit for, one can only think that alot of misinterpetations came with it.