Well, I'm done here anyway.

This woman thinks she is God!



This isn't Christianity, this is personal lunacy.

And that's my whole point. A dogmatic religion that claims to have a book that speaks for God sets people up to thinking that THEY can use that book to speak for God.

And therein lies the DANGER.

People get a hold of that book and they think they ARE GOD!

abra...Christians do not follow the old testament law (except the 10 commandments....which pretty much are a given)

can't we just hug each other now???

I have no bone to pick with Feral.

If you've noticed I've never suggested that she is unrighteous, just unrealistic.

Also I hope you can see that Feral-ism and Rose-ism are worlds apart, yet they both supposedly came from the same religious doctrine.

In fact, Abra-ism also recognizes the possiblity that Jesus may very well have been a historic figure. I just have a totally different interpretation of history. I see Jesus as a pantheist (most likely educated in the ways of Buddhism from india). I seem him as a mortal man who denounced the violence of the Torah (or Old Testament folklore).

He was crucified for blasphemy probably at the request of the Jewish religious council as the Bible suggests, as the God of Abraham had commanded people to murder heathens and blasphemists.

It was an outrage to the people because Jesus had been known to teach nothing but love and forgiveness.

Rumors existed for about a half a century. Finally a handfull of authoritarians got together and decided to put their rumors into scripture and demand than anyone who rejects their 'Holy Scripture' will be accusted of rejecting the word of God and blaspheme.

And they used the rumors of the dead Jesus as a marionette doll to push their agenda which was to prop up their original Old Testament the best they could. In fact thier story was so lame that they had no choice but to enforce it at sword-point and thread of reprisial for rejecting the Holy Scriptures.

And then Paul came along and add his 2 cents which turned out become far more than Jesus ever dreamed of blabbering. And from that point on it's been nothing but a disaster and the cause of pain and suffering for thousands of innocent "heathens". A "heathen" being defined as simply anyone who doesn't buy into the 'official' rumor.

I think that's a perfectly valid view of history and seemed to be supported by much historical evidence.

And therefore Abra-ism is every bit as sound as Feral-ism.

And Rose-ism lost its cherry years ago when George Bush was elected President.

hush abra lol

OK 'Feral'!!! That's great!

I'll take your above post, however confused it turns out to be, to mean that you are starting to see the MADNESS OF YOUR WAYS, and are genuinely seeking to CORRECT your sinful obessive/compulsive behavior.

In that light, allow me to submit to you the SECOND DESTRUCTIVE ASPECT about your fundamentalist-proselytizing ways 'feral':

2 - HOW FUNDAMENTALISM IS DESIGNED TO APPEAL TO THE MOST PRIMITIVE EG0-CENTRIC, AND SELF-SERVING TENDENCIES IN HUMAN BEINGS.

You see 'Feral', while you obviously do not realize this, your sinful fundamentalist ways give you the delusional conviction that YOUR GOD needs YOUR SERVICES.
Of course 'feral', you feel flattered by it all, YOU get a SELF-STROKE out of it, and, like all other fundamentalists, YOU feel entrusted with a sense of mission, and YOU feel GOOD about what you're doing. Self-serving, ego-centric, get he picture?!?!?

But it doesn't stop there. When you and your few fundamentslist friends figure God is on your side, you can justify almost anything.

Lies, deceit, confusion, denial, hypocrisy, ignorance, etc. Some of your friends have even gone as far as murder, as recently in history as the bombings of abortion clinics, and gay bars in the US, underlining how far this delusional self-justification can take the fundamentalists, claiming the authority of their biblical god.

You get it now 'Feral', '... love the confused, delusional sinner, and not the fundamentalist-proselytizing sins within him/her!...'

Of course, if God wasn't willing to allow abortion, or homosexuals, IT SIMPLY WOULDN'T EXIST. There would be way enough 'free-choice- tihs' without those two.

SO WHY???? DOES GOD NEED THE FUNDAMENTALISTS (THAT WOULD BE YOU 'FERAL')TO CARRY OUT HIS WILL!?!?!?

Of course god doesn't need humans to help him out!!! But this does not occur to the fundamentalist, it doesn't occur to you 'Feral', since you and your friends' conception of God's word becomes your self-justification for acts you would find abhorrent in any other context. (read that last part many times over, and preferably SLOWLY!)

So, there is this delusion that '... your god needs YOU!!!...', but this isn't the only base delusional appeal in fundamentalism.

Another appeal, equally delusional and equally damaging, is the notion that...

... YOU'RE ONE OF "God's chosen."

Such an idea is an outright appeal to vanity and ego. Most definitely ego-centric and self-serving.

Here 'Feral', the unspoken implication is that if you're one of God's chosen, the other fellow isn't, and that you're therefore better, more, above, entitled ... NOT!!! Get it 'Feral'!?!?!?

This appeal to vanity can set the fundamentalist, that would be you 'Feral', apart in his/her own mind from his peers (that would be the fundamentalist delusion).
It can justify a certain arrogance in thinking she/he is superior. Try and think of all your 'fascist' little comments that would fit inside : ...

'... God said it! I believe it! That settles it!...', you probably feel right at home with this little fascist statement!

But this 'fundamentalist-proselytizing' sinful attitude of yours 'Feral', is seen in just about any public debate involving you and a couple of other 'fundamentalists-proselytizers', opposing those whom think differently -- IT IS THE ONLY ATTITUDE THE FUNDAMENTALISTS SEEM TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH, WHENEVER 'EVOLUTION, ABORTION, or GAY RIGHTS' VS THE 'BOOK, COME UP!!!

Kind of limited in terms of options, and redundant from a nurturing exchange point of view, wouldn't you say 'Feral'!?!?

OK! So! Moving right along, we've got the master delusions:
- '... YOUR GOD NEEDS YOU!!!...'
- '... YOU'RE ONE OF 'GOD'S CHOSEN!!!'...'

And there is more!!!

Another belief common to YOU 'FERAL' and your fundamentalists is that you are somehow less vulnerable to the vicissitudes of life. God will somehow protect YOU, because YOU ARE CHOSEN TO DO GOD'S WILL (can you hear the trumpets 'Feral'!!!).
Of course if that were actually true, it would be reflected in statistical analysis.
Science has studied this claim extensively and has never been able to show a correlation between fundamentalist belief and any measure of well-being. To the fundamentalist who holds this view, however, it just means science is wrong. Isn't that right 'Feral'!?!?!?

And it gets worst.

Fundamentalism often justifies hatred in the minds of its adherents. This is undoubtedly the most dangerous aspect of fundamentalism.

The idea that God hates the same people you do is particularly gratifying in that it makes the indulgence in hatred not only acceptable, but somehow approved and even encouraged by God. Of course 'Feral', YOU and your friends don't call it hatred!!! Let's you might call it '...attacks on your beliefs and YOUR GOD'S WILL!!!...' That's right! Not hatred! ... NOT!!!(AS YOU WOULD WRITE YOURSELF 'FERAL).

The results are obvious. Terrorism in Northern Ireland, which is framed in religious terms, war in the Middle East, domestic terror in Egypt, Algeria, and in countless other conflicts around the world are the results of hatred justified by the fundamentalist notion that my side is right and the other side is wrong. If the religionists involved adhered to the concept that the purpose of religion is to teach tolerance, love and compassion, such conflicts would not exist. But they are justified to the fundamentalist, because he believes that God is on his side and will reward him for his acts that in any other context, he himself would condemn.

And that delusional conviction comes from nothing else than this man made concept of 'REDEMPTION AGAINST SIN AND GUILT'!!!

That sense of exemption relieves the guilt and shame, and thereby makes the follower feel good. That good feeling is then often associated with the notion that the follower has been 'saved.'

But there is a price for that salvation!!! And the religion sure EXTRACTS it from the 'saved one'!!!

And you've guessed it 'Feral', the price is a condemnation for eternity to ... PROSELYTIZE ON THE BEHALF OF THE 'CHURCH, DOGMA, DOCTRINE, GOD, BIBLE, OR WHATEVER!!!

At the very bare minimum, the price extracted is '... absolute conformity to the doctrine and the advice of the leadership (those would be your apologetic bible mentors 'Feral')...'

Hence, the follower is made loyal to the religion which has relieved him of that guilt and shame, and a true-believer and often zealous advocate is born.

Isn't the fundamentalist 'sin' clearer now 'Feral'!?!?!?

Do you feel ready to correct your ways?!?!!

Or at the very least, TO STOP FROM, PROSELYTIZING ON THE FORUMS?!?!?!

Hmmmmmmm I never said that.......

sorry abra...i don't see that either. i see her defending her beliefs just as you are.

i got heated...that's all

Ingredients:
1 part of knowing who you are
1 part of knowing who you aren't
1 part of knowing what you want
1 part of knowing who you wish to be
1 part of knowing what you already have
1 part of choosing wisely from what you have
1 part of loving and thanking for ALL you have

Instructions:
Combine ingredients together gently and carefully, using faith and vision. Mix together with strong belief of the outcome until finely blended.

Use thoughts, words and actions for best results.

Bake until Blessed.

Give thanks again

Yield: Unlimited service

So is the following merely her belief then?

"You can not ever ever ever BE A RIGHTEOUS MAN/WOMAN AND NOT BELIEVE IN GOD'S SON......."

Again, that just drives home my point of how the Bible causes people to make judgments on the righteousness of OTHERS.

This is why I denounce the Book as being ungodly.

The book also says:

Psalms 14: "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

We KNOW that's a LIE.

Far too many athesist have done good works. The Bible clearly contains LIES.

Period. That's a proven fact right there.

So all I'm saying is that the Bible causes people to pass erroneous judgments on other people.

And like Voil says, these people who make themselves self-appointed "sevants of God", are just on an ego trip of self gratification.

They think that by claiming that they speak for GOD that justifies anything.

And that's precisely what makes the religion DANGEROUS and a cancer to humanity

group hug everyone

Abra


Put it this way darling...no one is without sin......not one person.......All fall short of the glory of GOD.


I don't want your ramble I just asked a simple question....would like a simple answer......not a ramble.


Awwwwww but there is two simple words JESUS CHRIST


Look at sin as right from wrong. You know right from wrong Abra? Or are you going to over analyze that to death too.

You have absolute control over what you do...no doubt about it.


You will never get it abra....no matter what.....

Ahhhhh does abra need a mommy to smack his had and say bad abra....wrong choice....You know abra this is just your way of twisting and turning again....It may fool others abra but never me.

Your delusional if you think you are %100 percent sin free.

come on you 2 .........pretty please????

Abra Abra STOP BUTCHERING SCRIPTURE.

Debbie says: This is a lot of people's beliefs abra not just mine. "You can not ever ever ever BE A RIGHTEOUS MAN/WOMAN AND NOT BELIEVE IN GOD'S SON......."


AGAIN NO JUDGEMENT HERE JUST STATING WHAT IS FOR ME.

Abra says:

The book also says:

Psalms 14: "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

We KNOW that's a LIE.

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY

Tell us why?

1 The fool [a] says in his heart,
"There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.

2 The LORD looks down from heaven
on the sons of men
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.

3 All have turned aside,
they have together become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.

4 Will evildoers never learn—
those who devour my people as men eat bread
and who do not call on the LORD ?

5 There they are, overwhelmed with dread,
for God is present in the company of the righteous.

6 You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor,
but the LORD is their refuge.

7 Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion!
When the LORD restores the fortunes of his people,
let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad!


CAN'T SEE HOW ANYONE CAN MAKE HIDE NOR TAILS WHEN ONLY PUTTING UP BITS AND PIECES..........



Works don't get you to heaven.


You and voil are the ones that say all this crap about claiming to speak for God....God doesn't need my help he is God for crying out loud. I speak for me.....I speak for what I know......I can't speak for someone else abra...cmon do you guys need a psychiatrist? gigglesnort

OK FERAL!!!

I'm gettin getting e-mails gallore from tons of NON-FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS. Remember!?!?!? The 99,997% of all other christians?!?!?!

They're suggesting we get a hold of your proselytizing-apologetic 'MENTORS' and let them know that you are not ready for prime time proselytizing, you know, the '... COMMUNITY OUTREACH...' thing!!!...'

It would appear that you are doing more damage to the christian community than good. We're loosing members BIG TIME 'feral'!!!

If not for me, do it for the cause: STOP PROSELYTIZING!!!

And this is just another reason to reject the religion as being ungodly.

It starts out with the very negative insinuation that we have all failed our creator.

That's a dismal premise for humanity to be teaching their offspring.

How horrible to teach our children that they have fallen from grace from their creator.

We have no proof of that absurd insinuation.

It's based entirely on FAITH.

And I sincerely ask you Feral, why would you want to have FAITH that you have failed your creator?

If I were going to place my FAITH in something I'd place my FAITH in the idea that I'm a shinning example of precisely what my creator had in mind.

Sheesh.

Why would I want to have FAITH that I've failed my creator?

That's ludicous!

:slaphead

Well I know that I am perfect just the way I am.

Well personally I think you are too.

And I see no reason to put my faith in anything less than that.

And so are you.