receiving death threats.

Want to see where the conservative mindset takes you, this is it. They cannot control her and they are so mad about it they are threatening to kill her.

I personally cannot believe she would do this with her circumstances, what I know of them, mind you. But what it really comes down to is we cannot control others.

The conservatives are pissed because they cannot stop her from receiving help. They want her and the kids to suffer for her "as they see it bad choices".

Just because someone else does not live how you feel they should does not make them unworthy, worthless, unhuman, etc... When we help people we have to accept that they are not us, and they will choose differently than we will.

Real charity is not conditional, it is given from the heart with no strings attached.

Public assistance is not charity it's my hard earned money. Charity is given by individuals by choice, not by my payroll tax deductions.

jmo

Also the death threats are so not cool, regardless of how anyone feels about her.

I agree, however, when I hear this story, I automatically think of the kids, the older ones along with the littlest ones. I believe it was medical malpractice on her doctors part, and pure selfishness on the mothers. But its all in the past, we cant change that now. However CPS should be involved, and the pure fact that (as far as we, I, know) they're not, is a huge problem. Its been a problem. Those babies will forever be special needs, no matter how old, and there is no way she can support all 8 of those special needs, along with the ones at home. The mere fact of having all those people in that house, as is, is child neglect. And the poor grandmother....well I've said my piece...

I am a single mother of a disabled child and what I have to go through to get assistance for him- HIM not me!!!!!! is criminal!!! I work hard and pay my bills and I have to jump through hoops and I have gotten NOTHING!!! and this woman just spits out babies and gets all the help in the world. I don't begrudge the assistance for the children- they did not ask to be born but when does it end? she is relying on welfare and the charity of the church and the community. 14 kids? oh come on!!!!- in her case i do believe in mandatory sterilization. There is no way she can financially support all of those children. I believe she is acting very irresponsibly. I don't think she should be killed, of course, but she needs to think about the ramifications of her actions. She has not looked into the future to think about what kind of life those kids are going to have. Are those babies really better off with her? Just a question

I contribute too and so do millions of others who will not put conditions to the help given. I cannot judge this woman. Like I said I have no understanding of it but I cannot judge her.

As for the doctor, I believe that this country is based on those who pay with no judgement of whether the person needs it or not, right? So how does that make him responsible at any level? If we followed this philosophy all plastic surgery would need to come up for national vote before someone could have it done, it the vote goes their way, right?

As for the best for the kids, if I had to choose I would think all children of fanatic religious people should not be raised that way. Or the children of extremely rich individuals who do not raise their children themselves should not have them. Who are each of us to judge another for how they raise their children?

I could also say that any person who is prejudice at any level should not be allowed to have children because they perpetuate their hatred by teaching these kids this sick mindset but again who am I to tell anyone they cannot have children.

Right?

I might be outta line here, but if the children will be raised using taxpayer money...WIC, Welfare, whatever...the mother should lose any and all rights to those children, as she has placed them in an unfit environment, knowing full well that she was on disability and not likely to fing another career to support the children. Yet, she spent something like $100,000 for having MORE kids? She has no means to support them, or herself without state aid. I don't live in CA, but I'd be pissed if I knew my hard earned pay was going to a woman like that. Even my sister realized it was time to get tubes tied after a third kid...and she works!

Because 'you' contribute without conditions means I should be ok with it? Charity is given out of willingly, Public Assistance is not charity. (jmo)

As this story unfolds, supposedly the mother was able to work double shifts and save $100K for the in vitro procedure, while receiving Public Assistance/Food Stamps and Disability Checks for a back injury. Granted I question the doctors code of ethics implanting her with all her fertilized embryos at her request.

Who are you to say who can have kids? See my earlier post. If we start doing that I have a list of those that should not be allowed to have children to add to the national list too.

I agree, I do not understand it. But I cannot pick and choose who gets to have children in this country and that is how it should be. Noone can control others just because they pay taxes at this level. Noone.

Death threats are ridiculous, BUT I'M JUST A-JUDGIN' AWAY AT WHAT A PIECE OF TRASH THAT WOMAN IS!!! Has nothing to do with my charitable nature, and this woman evidently lacks a mind for morals and values across the board.

when you cannot support the ones you have, and you spend $100000 to have MORE? No this woman should not have kids. She needs some kind of treatment in the head. You might not be willing to say who should or should not have kids, but that is irrelevant. This woman knew she would not be able to provide a decent life for the six kids (by in vitro) she already had. Use some common sense people. We have enough children in crappy home lives...just how bad do you think these poor kids will have it????

I think if you have kids you should be responsible for them, but then again I always see things as being simple. Not controlling any of her doings but what is done with my tax dollars and who sits on their rump while I bust mine.

If she can work for in vitro procedures, she can get her butt off public assistance and be financially responsible for all her kids. She can have 6 more for all I truly care, but she should also be financially able to take care of them all.

This is still saying who can have kids by your personal judgement. Noone has the right to tell others to have or not to have children. Also if we judge how kids are raised I have some issues with some of the "accepted" raising fashions in this country to discuss. I have no right to tell them they are raising their children wrong, right?

so if I wanted to go out and have 25 kids, who would be supported by the taxpayers...you'd see nothing wrong with that? Has the whole country lost any sense of personal responsibility? Has the idea of "If you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em" skipped over the majority of people? I'm not saying she can't have kids, but for Pete's sake!!! where is this woman's pride...or dignity? she likely knew it would be a news making story, and wanted 15 min of fame....at the expense of her children's futures. BTW...did you know she has a publicist? or a web page already asking for MORE handouts?

I agree with one thing you said...I disagree with the 'norms' of raising kids now too. If you spank your kid you get in trouble...what a load. I got plenty of whoopins...I learned not to do those things I got whoopins for...and I turned out pretty well

Wow and you are proud to say it too.

Personally for me, hell no I would not have 25 kids and raise them on public assistane. For one, public assistance is barely nothing to live on for a family anyway. Scraping and struggling every month just to get the food on the table and pay the bills is no fun. Welfare is no fun ride. I have had to be on it before so I know how hard it is to live that way. And personally I can feel how I want, the question is, just because I pay taxes do I get to govern how others live? If so I have some complaints about the religious folks and the racist folks to address...

Well, since I have neither mentioned creed nor color, I think I'm in the clear...
my point is to think of the hellhole kind of place the kids will be living in, as the woman will not likely be able to afford decent place, I could care lesss about her dumb***...my concern is for the kids. The woman is,legally...imo not mentally, an adult. She has to live with the consequences of her actions. Unfortunately, so do 14 children

Her kids may actually have more than say the mother who has ran out her 5 years of welfare and is now living on the streets with their kids. Where do we draw the line as to what is "acceptable" for raising children and what is not. If the children are in danger is usually where the line is drawn. Are these kids in danger?

All children suffer at the hands of the adults that they live with. If you think about it, right? Do screaming fighting couples around the children appear as child abuse? How about those adults who see everything in the world with a hateful eye and teach the children this? I could go on and on about children in worse situations than her children.

Do I agree that this was not good judgement on her part with what I know of the situation, which may be limited? Of course I do. Can I judge her and say she should have any human rights taken from her because of these choices? No I cannot.

When we respect anothers right to live their lives, we have to accept that they will make different choices from us.

true, but I should have a say in wiether or not my taxes should go to someone who is trying to milk the system for all she can. Adopt the kids out, they'll still likely (not sure of CA's laws) get their disability check...the woman needs her tubes tied...and I wish the kids the best of luck in the rest of their lives. Aside from this, Dragoness...I'll toss the truce flag. I'll agree to disagree on a few things with ya, and agree on others

The big difference that makes my mind up about this woman and her children is she manipulated the system and her entire purpose was so contrived. I'm all for being charitable for those who are VICTIMS of circumstance, not those who insist and thrust their immoral needs on the public and expect acceptance and assistance. This was planned as expertly as an assassination. Scr*w her. But, the children, indeed, need to be taken care of. THE CHILDREN are the victims in her ploy.