Topic: Octuplets mom....
willing2's photo
Fri 02/13/09 05:00 PM
If there are any Pro-Choicers here and you're in condemnation of this woman, I find it hypocritical.
If I'm not mistaken, Pro-Choicers believe a woman has a right to her body and should be allowed to do with it as she chooses. She chose to litter a bunch of kids.

davidben1's photo
Fri 02/13/09 05:05 PM
is it to judge to say this is "what shall have to be" within a society of MANY AND MANY AND MANY???

is it not but equal constant sight that see if it cannot be for all, it cannot be given but to some???

if one say, "spending the taxpayer's dollars in vegas will not be tolerated"!!!

words to this effect come from a "lowering of others", as a beneath self persepctive, showing thinking in the mind "others" are as less than self???

this some eye's rightfully notice, as all eye's see nothing that HAS NO MEANING???

are these to be condemed as "hater's"???

indeed, is can easily be seen speech as this is of a would be dictator, and whether this is INTENDED OR NOT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE???

"WHAT IS" BE WHAT ALL SEE TOGETHER, NOT JUST SOME???

does a wise leader speak as if to control with force???

to say, "IT IS THE 'PEOPLES MONEY' YOU ARE 'BORROWING', and we shall have to take it away if any see you spending it as if you have extra"???

is this condeming???

does not this but promote honesty by welcoming scrutiny FROM ALL???

is scrutiny to be called and deemed to be "judging"???

if "judging" is accepted and used by a good and fair and wise peoples, then how can dishonesty and hidden agenda's prosper???

without scrutiny welcomed, how is not human weakness, as common to all, not "fostered" unto EASY AND SURE CORRUPTION???

IF IT IS SAID TO BE TREASON AND UNPATRIOTIC TO SCRUTINIZE, THEN HOW WILL NOT "COMMON NATURAL WEAKNESS" THRIVE???

WHAT SHALL THEN BECOME AS REALITY FOR ALL EFFECTED???

is the sight and speaking of such things as pompus, and arrogant, and thinking self wise???

ANY OPINION AND HEART CAN THINK AS IT WILL, BUT TO NOT SPEAK FOR FEAR OF "HOW IT SOUND", IS THE SURE RECIPE FOR PAST THINGS OF MISERY TO BE RE-CREATED???

simple sight come when ALL ARE SEEN AS EQUAL TO SELF???

anything that see all things as equal to self has always been the greater goal of any intelligent peoples with wisdom???

how does wisdom need to threaten, coerce, intimidate, manipulate, or EVER even instruct with commandments???

is it not but equal for each to state it's simple logical facts???

are not the hearer's of all words, and viewer's of all things the ONLY JUDGE THAT EXIST???

these words are but only to paint a portrait of one logic, and only what this ignorant one think show HOW to spot more wisdom, which be what ALL AS ONE NEED TO SEE TO CARRY ALL PEACEFULLY INTO THE FUTURE???

these things are only sight of one, and sight of all "one's" together, AS ALL BEING EQUAL, WITH ALL VOICE'S HEARD, combined make LARGER SIGHT, and how is any sight as this not more capable to solve more than only eye's of some???

to fear the majority make anything A VICTIM OF THE MAJORITY???

what is even believed as possible become as possible???

peace






Dragoness's photo
Fri 02/13/09 05:14 PM

If there are any Pro-Choicers here and you're in condemnation of this woman, I find it hypocritical.
If I'm not mistaken, Pro-Choicers believe a woman has a right to her body and should be allowed to do with it as she chooses. She chose to litter a bunch of kids.


Pro choice means just that a woman has the right to choose. I have already stated that she has the right to do it. I don't see the logic in it but she has the right in America to do so.

BrandonJItaliano's photo
Fri 02/13/09 05:20 PM
This an injustice of the American social system. I think it is her right to have as many kids as she wants to. It is also her right to take care of them, she alone chose to have that many kids, so she alone should have to pay for them. If she cant do such, there are plenty of wonderfull homes that can!!!

Dragoness's photo
Fri 02/13/09 05:25 PM

This an injustice of the American social system. I think it is her right to have as many kids as she wants to. It is also her right to take care of them, she alone chose to have that many kids, so she alone should have to pay for them. If she cant do such, there are plenty of wonderfull homes that can!!!


I already covered this, it costs more to put them in foster care than it does to give her welfare.

She is the exception, not the rule. Do you feel justified in telling women who can have kids and who cannot?

InvictusV's photo
Fri 02/13/09 06:03 PM
The woman is a nutjob, however, the doctor is culpable and should be forced to pay atleast half of the cost.

tngxl65's photo
Fri 02/13/09 06:12 PM


I might be outta line here, but if the children will be raised using taxpayer money...WIC, Welfare, whatever...the mother should lose any and all rights to those children, as she has placed them in an unfit environment, knowing full well that she was on disability and not likely to fing another career to support the children. Yet, she spent something like $100,000 for having MORE kids? She has no means to support them, or herself without state aid. I don't live in CA, but I'd be pissed if I knew my hard earned pay was going to a woman like that. Even my sister realized it was time to get tubes tied after a third kid...and she works!


Who are you to say who can have kids? See my earlier post. If we start doing that I have a list of those that should not be allowed to have children to add to the national list too.


I agree. I shouldn't be able to say who can have kids. But I do have a say in how the public assistance that I help fund is distributed. I have every right to judge her and be angry with her when she takes assistance. In fact judging is part of deciding who gets assistance. We ask them how much money they make and see whether they qualify. And we need to address a system that rewards people for making bad choices.


tngxl65's photo
Fri 02/13/09 06:13 PM

If there are any Pro-Choicers here and you're in condemnation of this woman, I find it hypocritical.
If I'm not mistaken, Pro-Choicers believe a woman has a right to her body and should be allowed to do with it as she chooses. She chose to litter a bunch of kids.


B.S. Pro-choice doesn't mean pro-public assistance.

davidben1's photo
Fri 02/13/09 06:21 PM
the only thing free in life is slavery???






Dragoness's photo
Fri 02/13/09 06:28 PM



I might be outta line here, but if the children will be raised using taxpayer money...WIC, Welfare, whatever...the mother should lose any and all rights to those children, as she has placed them in an unfit environment, knowing full well that she was on disability and not likely to fing another career to support the children. Yet, she spent something like $100,000 for having MORE kids? She has no means to support them, or herself without state aid. I don't live in CA, but I'd be pissed if I knew my hard earned pay was going to a woman like that. Even my sister realized it was time to get tubes tied after a third kid...and she works!


Who are you to say who can have kids? See my earlier post. If we start doing that I have a list of those that should not be allowed to have children to add to the national list too.


I agree. I shouldn't be able to say who can have kids. But I do have a say in how the public assistance that I help fund is distributed. I have every right to judge her and be angry with her when she takes assistance. In fact judging is part of deciding who gets assistance. We ask them how much money they make and see whether they qualify. And we need to address a system that rewards people for making bad choices.




Okay but if you meat out consequences that makes you the judge. Who are you to say?

I already addressed this earlier, just because you pay taxes does not give you the right to govern people and give or deny their human rights. I have some issues with the religious and the racists and how they raise their children and I pay taxes so does that give me the right to tell them they are wrong or deny them the right to have children and raise them? No it does not.

We all have our favored things our taxes pay for and those things that we do not like that taxes pay for. There is a human element in this mix. Humans live differently. I cannot deny another human the rights I enjoy. I enjoy the right to have children or not. For me it is not but I find it a precious right. I would not deny another human this right.

tngxl65's photo
Fri 02/13/09 06:40 PM
Edited by tngxl65 on Fri 02/13/09 06:44 PM



I agree. I shouldn't be able to say who can have kids. But I do have a say in how the public assistance that I help fund is distributed. I have every right to judge her and be angry with her when she takes assistance. In fact judging is part of deciding who gets assistance. We ask them how much money they make and see whether they qualify. And we need to address a system that rewards people for making bad choices.




Okay but if you meat out consequences that makes you the judge. Who are you to say?

I already addressed this earlier, just because you pay taxes does not give you the right to govern people and give or deny their human rights. I have some issues with the religious and the racists and how they raise their children and I pay taxes so does that give me the right to tell them they are wrong or deny them the right to have children and raise them? No it does not.

We all have our favored things our taxes pay for and those things that we do not like that taxes pay for. There is a human element in this mix. Humans live differently. I cannot deny another human the rights I enjoy. I enjoy the right to have children or not. For me it is not but I find it a precious right. I would not deny another human this right.


We disgree then. It's not a dictatorship (yet). I do have a say in my government and how I am governed. And when I am bothered with how the system is working, I can complain and, if motivated enough, I can try to get it fixed or changed.

I would never begin to deny someone the right to have children. I never said otherwise. You keep trailing off and defending it when I am not even arguing it. But I do have say in how my taxes are spent. If I don't like it I can conract my representatives or I can vote. And I do both.

davidben1's photo
Fri 02/13/09 06:42 PM
it is not of value less it be worth dying for???

self become what it deem to be of most value???

self become all if all is deemed of equal value???


SanguivoreLuu's photo
Fri 02/13/09 06:43 PM
Look, I am completely pro choice, but I am also hoping that whatever choice is for the best. What she did isn't.

I am not a hypocrite, I am merely human who is thinking of others. That woman is crazy, and honestly, using those kids like Paris Hilton uses Chihuahuas.

She should be sterilized.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 02/13/09 06:45 PM




I agree. I shouldn't be able to say who can have kids. But I do have a say in how the public assistance that I help fund is distributed. I have every right to judge her and be angry with her when she takes assistance. In fact judging is part of deciding who gets assistance. We ask them how much money they make and see whether they qualify. And we need to address a system that rewards people for making bad choices.




Okay but if you meat out consequences that makes you the judge. Who are you to say?

I already addressed this earlier, just because you pay taxes does not give you the right to govern people and give or deny their human rights. I have some issues with the religious and the racists and how they raise their children and I pay taxes so does that give me the right to tell them they are wrong or deny them the right to have children and raise them? No it does not.

We all have our favored things our taxes pay for and those things that we do not like that taxes pay for. There is a human element in this mix. Humans live differently. I cannot deny another human the rights I enjoy. I enjoy the right to have children or not. For me it is not but I find it a precious right. I would not deny another human this right.


We disgree then. It's not a dictatorship (yet). I do have a say in my government and how I am governed. And when I am bothered with how the system is working, I can complain and, if motivated enough, I can try to get it fixed or changed.

I would never begin to deny someone the right to have children. I never said otherwise. You keep trailing off and defending it when I am not even arguing it. But I do have say in how my taxes are spent. If I don't like it I can contract my representatives or I can vote. And I do both.


I do both also and I will support and write and call so that people have the right to have children with no strings attached because I cannot restrict freedoms for some without restricting freedoms for all.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 02/13/09 06:47 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Fri 02/13/09 07:03 PM

Look, I am completely pro choice, but I am also hoping that whatever choice is for the best. What she did isn't.

I am not a hypocrite, I am merely human who is thinking of others. That woman is crazy, and honestly, using those kids like Paris Hilton uses Chihuahuas.

She should be sterilized.


So since you are the sterilization god and you have the right to say who should be sterilized, I have a list of those I want sterilized, all religious people and all racists. Can you grant me that oh great judge of sterilization?

I am being facetious but you see the point right?

tngxl65's photo
Fri 02/13/09 06:47 PM





I agree. I shouldn't be able to say who can have kids. But I do have a say in how the public assistance that I help fund is distributed. I have every right to judge her and be angry with her when she takes assistance. In fact judging is part of deciding who gets assistance. We ask them how much money they make and see whether they qualify. And we need to address a system that rewards people for making bad choices.




Okay but if you meat out consequences that makes you the judge. Who are you to say?

I already addressed this earlier, just because you pay taxes does not give you the right to govern people and give or deny their human rights. I have some issues with the religious and the racists and how they raise their children and I pay taxes so does that give me the right to tell them they are wrong or deny them the right to have children and raise them? No it does not.

We all have our favored things our taxes pay for and those things that we do not like that taxes pay for. There is a human element in this mix. Humans live differently. I cannot deny another human the rights I enjoy. I enjoy the right to have children or not. For me it is not but I find it a precious right. I would not deny another human this right.


We disgree then. It's not a dictatorship (yet). I do have a say in my government and how I am governed. And when I am bothered with how the system is working, I can complain and, if motivated enough, I can try to get it fixed or changed.

I would never begin to deny someone the right to have children. I never said otherwise. You keep trailing off and defending it when I am not even arguing it. But I do have say in how my taxes are spent. If I don't like it I can contract my representatives or I can vote. And I do both.


I do both also and I will support and write and call so that people have the right to have children with no strings attached because I cannot restrict freedoms for some without restricting freedoms for all.


Why do you keep going back to that? I don't want to restrict their freedoms. I just don't want to pay them to have 14 kids.

davidben1's photo
Fri 02/13/09 06:48 PM
aquiring more wisdom is directly proportionate to the amount of words spoken???

the more words spoken the more ALIVE???

if there are fear of bad words, self die as a lepper creating it's own disease???

words spoken make a ladder of wisdom self climb up!!!

Dragoness's photo
Fri 02/13/09 06:50 PM






I agree. I shouldn't be able to say who can have kids. But I do have a say in how the public assistance that I help fund is distributed. I have every right to judge her and be angry with her when she takes assistance. In fact judging is part of deciding who gets assistance. We ask them how much money they make and see whether they qualify. And we need to address a system that rewards people for making bad choices.




Okay but if you meat out consequences that makes you the judge. Who are you to say?

I already addressed this earlier, just because you pay taxes does not give you the right to govern people and give or deny their human rights. I have some issues with the religious and the racists and how they raise their children and I pay taxes so does that give me the right to tell them they are wrong or deny them the right to have children and raise them? No it does not.

We all have our favored things our taxes pay for and those things that we do not like that taxes pay for. There is a human element in this mix. Humans live differently. I cannot deny another human the rights I enjoy. I enjoy the right to have children or not. For me it is not but I find it a precious right. I would not deny another human this right.


We disgree then. It's not a dictatorship (yet). I do have a say in my government and how I am governed. And when I am bothered with how the system is working, I can complain and, if motivated enough, I can try to get it fixed or changed.

I would never begin to deny someone the right to have children. I never said otherwise. You keep trailing off and defending it when I am not even arguing it. But I do have say in how my taxes are spent. If I don't like it I can contract my representatives or I can vote. And I do both.


I do both also and I will support and write and call so that people have the right to have children with no strings attached because I cannot restrict freedoms for some without restricting freedoms for all.


Why do you keep going back to that? I don't want to restrict their freedoms. I just don't want to pay them to have 14 kids.


The problem here is that one will not be done without affecting all. All women should have the right to have children if they so choose and there is no other human regardless to taxes or not that has a right to restrict her freedoms.

Okay I will give you a scenerio, lets say she had the money to pay for all these children when she had them and then through an act of god she ends up disabled and unable to financially care for them, does this make her unfit?

You cannot say that one person is unqualified without limiting all.

SanguivoreLuu's photo
Fri 02/13/09 07:01 PM
Edited by SanguivoreLuu on Fri 02/13/09 07:02 PM

So since you are the sterilization god and you have the right to say who should be sterilized, I have a list of those I want sterilized, all religious people and all racists. Can you grant me that oh great judge of sterilization?


Yep. :D


That's the spirit!

davidben1's photo
Fri 02/13/09 07:02 PM


if one ask for help then it recieve not help LESS IT AGREE TO THE TERMS???

if a helpless beggar demand it is not helpless???

it is not unjust to see injustice less it build the value of self???

the only measure of the value of self is the measure self measure with???