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Freedom of speech is an integral part of a free society such as the one we live in... assuming, of course, that we do.
 There are limits and conditions to this freedom in the US. One major contingency is that the words spoken must not be physically threatening towards another, or a direct threat to the listener or society. The spoken thoughts must not infringe upon the inalienable rights of others. There are many directions in which this topic could travel, and I would hope that whichever path chooses it will be an enlightening one. 
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Perhaps a great place to start would be to discuss what is considered to be offensive. After all, that is what begins the process of censorship... the removal of the freedom of speech.
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I hold the right of free thought, free action, and free concience to be the greatest liberty we are 'allowed' under our Government. There will always be those who, when something freely said, will take offense and demand the authorities 'do something about it', yet they also expect their words to be taken as Gospel, just because. "Though I may disagree with everything you have just said, I shall still defend your right to speak it." often quoted to French Philosopher Voltaire, but was made by a biographer.
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I think calling someone a dumbass is not viewed as acceptable, although I find no reason to be offended at it. Of course, everyone had the right to be offended. If someone was a basketball player, would it offend them to be called such? Probably only if they did not recognize it.
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Edited by
davidben1
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a scoiety banning anything as "bad speech" would not be so bad, UNLESS THAT SAME SOCIETY PUMPED INTO THE BRAINS MANY, MANY, MANY MEDIUMS OF COMMUNICATION, SUCH AS MUSIC AND MOVIES AND TV, THAT DO THE SAME AS WHAT IS OUTLAWED???
with one side of the mouth, say what is good, but out of the other, RESTRICT THE ONLY THING THAT IS NATRUALLY ABLE TO HANDLE IT??? expelling harmlessly??? to come to where the old saying, "i would tell ya but i would have to kill ya", might land self in jail as a terrorist, without any legal representation, is not the most acceptable form of an adult society??? what goes in the mind is in the mind, and to RESTRICT THE SAME TO COME BACK OUT, ALLOWING IT TO BE EXPELLED HARMLESSLY, is a set up for many greater disastors??? to not be able to speak without any fear of "thoughts", is a set-up for repression, which always leads to self doubt, which alway leads to self belief, that indeed self may be "bad", and this in itself, create many, many, many things less than desirable within a society, given the time to manifest??? for anything to fester within, without relief of expelling it, is a recipe for hate to breed like cancer within anything??? within a whole society, the stake are much higher indeed??? what be a more healthy free growing flourishing environment, than one without FEAR that the WHOLE mind can be spoken??? if we have NOT progressed enough to have achieved adult status enough, that "sticks and stones may break my bone's, but words can never hurt me", THEN WE HAVE PROGRESSED MORE TOWARDS CHILDHOOD??? as such, one can expect more childish actions to be actually acted out, like grown adults driving in diapers for thousands of miles to accost a lover, and things of this sort??? a place where all that goes in, cannot be expelled out of the mouth with freedom, is TO INFLICT A SABATOGE UPON THE VERY SANITY OF MANKIND??? the question is, is it intentional, or simply misguided intentions of "professed do gooders"??? the road to hell is paved with GOOD INTENTIONS??? other past societies went down the same road, and never came back, basically FUNNELING SELF CREATED GREAT SOCIETIES DOWN THE SELF CREATED DRAIN OF "DEFINED MORAL SPIRTUALITY"??? for the human nature seeking "protection" of feelings, create a environment that foster the inert weakness of human man to be coddled, and if this is perpetuated within an entire society, this in itself allow the human nature to demand "rights" for itself that soon come to devoure itself unto destruction??? |
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Freedom of speech is an integral part of a free society such as the one we live in... assuming, of course, that we do. There are limits and conditions to this freedom in the US. One major contingency is that the words spoken must not be physically threatening towards another, or a direct threat to the listener or society. The spoken thoughts must not infringe upon the inalienable rights of others. There are many directions in which this topic could travel, and I would hope that whichever path chooses it will be an enlightening one. The "not infringing on the inalienable rights" part is negotiable here it seems as the KKK is still around and the Arian Nations is still around. We know that in "words" they deny others their inalienable rights to live unencumbered by the threat of discrimination and prejudice. If allowed to they would deny all unwhites of their right to live in general. |
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what would one rather face???
one they know hates them, or one that pretends to meet social standards, and stay under the radar, by masking it's thoughts and ideas of hate??? the right to FREE SPEECH actually HELPS THE PEACEFUL IN ANY SITUATION, as the human nature that wish malice upon another, WILL ALWAYS ENSNARE ITSELF WITH IT'S OWN BIG MOUTH??? |
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what would one rather face??? one they know hates them, or one that pretends to meet social standards, and stay under the radar, by masking it's thoughts and ideas of hate??? the right to FREE SPEECH actually HELPS THE PEACEFUL IN ANY SITUATION, as the human nature that wish malice upon another, WILL ALWAYS ENSNARE ITSELF WITH IT'S OWN BIG MOUTH??? Actually you are right. But in the realm of freedom of speech, are they denying the "inalienable rights"? Can putting up with a constant barrage of insults and discrimination be considered the denying of these rights? This covers any who are discriminated against, racial, sexual orientation, body size, religious belief or lack of, political beliefs, etc... |
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without total free speech, the funnel carry all down the drain???
any that depise and hate, WILL DESTROY ITSELF??? it is for this reason that free speech was so insisted upon by the founding fathers??? THE WAYS THE MIND TAKE UNTO ITSELF SECURITIES FROM SUCH THINGS, WILL ALWAYS LATER BITE ITSELF ON THE ARSE??? we already have too much covered within society by the guise of "protection from rude"??? elections are governed by pre-screened attendee's, and any that have any background of oppsoing views are carried out of conventions??? if grown people cannot stand any other's words, MOST WORLD LEADERS, THAT HOLD THE FATE OF MILLIONS IN THEIR HANDS??? if their strength of character is not strong enough to stand these things, then we are in a sorry state of babyhood with mouth plugs as pacifiers??? look down the road to such things, and see how when self need to be heard, self will not be, because of the very things once insisted upon for the protection of it's own feeling's??? to restrict free speech at all breeds a society where none trust each other, where what is said on the surface is but fake anyhow??? shadowland............. |
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without total free speech, the funnel carry all down the drain??? any that depise and hate, WILL DESTROY ITSELF??? it is for this reason that free speech was so insisted upon by the founding fathers??? THE WAYS THE MIND TAKE UNTO ITSELF SECURITIES FROM SUCH THINGS, WILL ALWAYS LATER BITE ITSELF ON THE ARSE??? we already have too much covered within society by the guise of "protection from rude"??? elections are governed by pre-screened attendee's, and any that have any background of oppsoing views are carried out of conventions??? if grown people cannot stand any other's words, MOST WORLD LEADERS, THAT HOLD THE FATE OF MILLIONS IN THEIR HANDS??? if their strength of character is not strong enough to stand these things, then we are in a sorry state of babyhood with mouth plugs as pacifiers??? look down the road to such things, and see how when self need to be heard, self will not be, because of the very things once insisted upon for the protection of it's own feeling's??? to restrict free speech at all breeds a society where none trust each other, where what is said on the surface is but fake anyhow??? shadowland............. You are right of course. |
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without total free speech, the funnel carry all down the drain??? any that depise and hate, WILL DESTROY ITSELF??? it is for this reason that free speech was so insisted upon by the founding fathers??? THE WAYS THE MIND TAKE UNTO ITSELF SECURITIES FROM SUCH THINGS, WILL ALWAYS LATER BITE ITSELF ON THE ARSE??? we already have too much covered within society by the guise of "protection from rude"??? elections are governed by pre-screened attendee's, and any that have any background of oppsoing views are carried out of conventions??? if grown people cannot stand any other's words, MOST WORLD LEADERS, THAT HOLD THE FATE OF MILLIONS IN THEIR HANDS??? if their strength of character is not strong enough to stand these things, then we are in a sorry state of babyhood with mouth plugs as pacifiers??? look down the road to such things, and see how when self need to be heard, self will not be, because of the very things once insisted upon for the protection of it's own feeling's??? to restrict free speech at all breeds a society where none trust each other, where what is said on the surface is but fake anyhow??? shadowland............. You are right of course. it is not about right??? it is about real or not real??? to see what is right, enslave the soul, to see what is real, relieve the soul??? it could not be pronounced as real by two, unless two seen the same real, so who is right and who is left??? there is no right and wrong in freedom of sight of the heart, only what is real, and just, and soverign, for all as one and one as all........ |
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without total free speech, the funnel carry all down the drain??? any that depise and hate, WILL DESTROY ITSELF??? it is for this reason that free speech was so insisted upon by the founding fathers??? THE WAYS THE MIND TAKE UNTO ITSELF SECURITIES FROM SUCH THINGS, WILL ALWAYS LATER BITE ITSELF ON THE ARSE??? we already have too much covered within society by the guise of "protection from rude"??? elections are governed by pre-screened attendee's, and any that have any background of oppsoing views are carried out of conventions??? if grown people cannot stand any other's words, MOST WORLD LEADERS, THAT HOLD THE FATE OF MILLIONS IN THEIR HANDS??? if their strength of character is not strong enough to stand these things, then we are in a sorry state of babyhood with mouth plugs as pacifiers??? look down the road to such things, and see how when self need to be heard, self will not be, because of the very things once insisted upon for the protection of it's own feeling's??? to restrict free speech at all breeds a society where none trust each other, where what is said on the surface is but fake anyhow??? shadowland............. You are right of course. it is not about right??? it is about real or not real??? to see what is right, enslave the soul, to see what is real, relieve the soul??? it could not be pronounced as real by two, unless two seen the same real, so who is right and who is left??? there is no right and wrong in freedom of sight of the heart, only what is real, and just, and soverign, for all as one and one as all........ okay okay, I agree with you then, is that better? LOL Real is subjective, just like right is subjective though, right? LOL |
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your thinking mind is recognized as having deep insight, whether you know it or not dear one........
for to follow the heart be the treacherous path, that is jagged and rugged, with many things that ensnare the beloved saints the humans, and pull the mind low to the ground, but the wise heart see the only evil ever committed in any world, was but only from the first thought from the mind, that convinced the heart itself was better, so of more value than another....... peace girl |
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a scoiety banning anything as "bad speech" would not be so bad, UNLESS THAT SAME SOCIETY PUMPED INTO THE BRAINS MANY, MANY, MANY MEDIUMS OF COMMUNICATION, SUCH AS MUSIC AND MOVIES AND TV, THAT DO THE SAME AS WHAT IS OUTLAWED??? with one side of the mouth, say what is good, but out of the other, RESTRICT THE ONLY THING THAT IS NATRUALLY ABLE TO HANDLE IT??? expelling harmlessly??? to come to where the old saying, "i would tell ya but i would have to kill ya", might land self in jail as a terrorist, without any legal representation, is not the most acceptable form of an adult society??? what goes in the mind is in the mind, and to RESTRICT THE SAME TO COME BACK OUT, ALLOWING IT TO BE EXPELLED HARMLESSLY, is a set up for many greater disastors??? to not be able to speak without any fear of "thoughts", is a set-up for repression, which always leads to self doubt, which alway leads to self belief, that indeed self may be "bad", and this in itself, create many, many, many things less than desirable within a society, given the time to manifest??? for anything to fester within, without relief of expelling it, is a recipe for hate to breed like cancer within anything??? within a whole society, the stake are much higher indeed??? what be a more healthy free growing flourishing environment, than one without FEAR that the WHOLE mind can be spoken??? if we have NOT progressed enough to have achieved adult status enough, that "sticks and stones may break my bone's, but words can never hurt me", THEN WE HAVE PROGRESSED MORE TOWARDS CHILDHOOD??? as such, one can expect more childish actions to be actually acted out, like grown adults driving in diapers for thousands of miles to accost a lover, and things of this sort??? a place where all that goes in, cannot be expelled out of the mouth with freedom, is TO INFLICT A SABATOGE UPON THE VERY SANITY OF MANKIND??? the question is, is it intentional, or simply misguided intentions of "professed do gooders"??? the road to hell is paved with GOOD INTENTIONS??? other past societies went down the same road, and never came back, basically FUNNELING SELF CREATED GREAT SOCIETIES DOWN THE SELF CREATED DRAIN OF "DEFINED MORAL SPIRTUALITY"??? for the human nature seeking "protection" of feelings, create a environment that foster the inert weakness of human man to be coddled, and if this is perpetuated within an entire society, this in itself allow the human nature to demand "rights" for itself that soon come to devoure itself unto destruction??? u make a valid point, but other societies cannot be compared to now, the history and circumstances are different, yes there are many similarities, not the same and cannot be judged as thus |
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About the KKK...
While I do not agree with their philosophy, I completely support their right to free speech and thought just as much as I support any other group. Another group has the right to say that the KKK has beliefs which are <insert adjective> just as much as the KKK can believe and think whatever it is that they do. How does the KKK infringe upon inalienable rights of another while following the law? They are not allowed to harass, threaten, or pose an immediate direct verbal or physical threat. While davidben sometimes says things that I have trouble following, he has made some valid arguments here. Who is to decide what is allowed to be believed by another, and more importantly, on whose moral grounds? |
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see thats the thing. like when your in school or something as a kid, u have the right to say what u want. but theres consequences to what you say- is that right?
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Freedom of speech is an integral part of a free society such as the one we live in... assuming, of course, that we do. There are limits and conditions to this freedom in the US. One major contingency is that the words spoken must not be physically threatening towards another, or a direct threat to the listener or society. The spoken thoughts must not infringe upon the inalienable rights of others. There are many directions in which this topic could travel, and I would hope that whichever path chooses it will be an enlightening one. True freedom of speech is unhindered. The problem with imposing censors is that who determines the parameters of the censors? |
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Jtown said...
True freedom of speech is unhindered. The problem with imposing censors is that who determines the parameters of the censors? I think that this is the very heart of the issue at hand. Who determines what is acceptable, and by whose measuring rod? Censorship follows complaint and/or violation. There is a problem with censorship. There are laws in the US which must be followed. I am not an attorney, therefore, I do not know all of the various nuances. However, having lived in an extremely conservative part of the country, I have had the privilege of witnessing the struggle between groups who have been at odds with each other historically. I have witnessed the successful banning of an Andy Warhol art exhibit in the same city that allows a KKK rally every year. The irony behind it all is the fact that the city itself is rich in art history. This state has also banned nude dancing combined with alcohol and gambling casinos while simultaneously allowing nude dancers without alcohol and having a state lottery. In addition to this is the fact that Jerry Springer was at one time the city's mayor... The distinction between private and public must be considered as well. In the privacy of one's home, one has the right to think and speak freely. It is in the public domain that the conflicts are pronounced and the public interest must be taken into consideration. The special interest groups are usually the ones who have the resources and motivation to push their agenda. This is an obvious problem, because when, and if two opposing views want equal recognition, it is often the view with the most financially secure backing that gets it's way. Money buys more options. Conservative history shows that suppression causes motivation for extreme defiance. In a cultural history as rich as the US has, it can be a delicate balance to maintain equal rights for all peoples. This is especially true when different groups' belief system pose what is considered to be a threat to another's. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 02/08/09 08:16 PM
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True freedom of speech does not exist in this country. A local farm newspaper who continued to report incidents of cattle mutilations was repeatedly warned and then threatened if he continued to publish them.
He owned the newspaper. The cattle mutilations were true news items. Before he finally decided to stop publishing them, he feared for his life and his business. The freedoms we think we have are illusions. There is no telling what would have happened to him if he had continued. Businesses burn down, people die... it looks like an accident. I'm not kidding, this is not a conspiracy theory. |
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Freedom of Speech only goes so far then a nice file starts building back in DC...
we have Homeland Security to thank for that. Jeanniebean I agree with your statement,"The freedoms we think we have are illusions." Too many people go through life with their head in the sand. Internet censorship in countries that try to restrict human rights and so here we are hanging onto the Declaration of Independence and think the government is looking out for our best interest... Surprised our posts and accounts haven't been sand boxed
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