Topic: This is why I hate guns.
Fanta46's photo
Tue 02/03/09 09:00 AM



The President can not over-rule this...

The Supreme Court Rules That the Second Amendment Means What It Says
June 27, 2008 01:38 PM ET | Michael Barone |
The Supreme Court on June 26 ruled that the Second Amendment to the Constitution confers, as it says, a right to keep and bear arms and that the District of Columbia law effectively prohibiting the possession of handguns by most citizens is unconstitutional.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/6/27/the-supreme-court-rules-that-the-second-amendment-means-what-it-says.html



It was a 5-4 decision. Let's not forget that. Frighteningly close and a hair's breadth from being 5-4 against.


5-4 or 9-0.
The second amendment has been clearly defined for the first time in history. Its the law.

Anyone thinking it will suddenly be redefined is just paranoid.


Winx's photo
Tue 02/03/09 09:00 AM



The President can not over-rule this...

The Supreme Court Rules That the Second Amendment Means What It Says
June 27, 2008 01:38 PM ET | Michael Barone |
The Supreme Court on June 26 ruled that the Second Amendment to the Constitution confers, as it says, a right to keep and bear arms and that the District of Columbia law effectively prohibiting the possession of handguns by most citizens is unconstitutional.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/6/27/the-supreme-court-rules-that-the-second-amendment-means-what-it-says.html



It was a 5-4 decision. Let's not forget that. Frighteningly close and a hair's breadth from being 5-4 against.


I'm not one to worry about something unless it happens.

raiderfan_32's photo
Tue 02/03/09 09:46 AM
So Which states are violating FEDERAL LAW by allowing convicted Felons and the mentally defient to purchase firearms???

I eagerly await the answer to this question...

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 02/03/09 12:36 PM




The President can not over-rule this...

The Supreme Court Rules That the Second Amendment Means What It Says
June 27, 2008 01:38 PM ET | Michael Barone |
The Supreme Court on June 26 ruled that the Second Amendment to the Constitution confers, as it says, a right to keep and bear arms and that the District of Columbia law effectively prohibiting the possession of handguns by most citizens is unconstitutional.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/6/27/the-supreme-court-rules-that-the-second-amendment-means-what-it-says.html



It was a 5-4 decision. Let's not forget that. Frighteningly close and a hair's breadth from being 5-4 against.


I'm not one to worry about something unless it happens.


That's the problem. I don't think enough people are worried about it. It won't happen all at once. First, total gun registration will be required so police can track every firearm bought and sold legally. Second, you will have some random increase in violence convince some dumb shmuck that we, as a country, need to outlaw assault weapons. Then you will have a ban on semi-automatics because too many uneducated people will ask "why on earth do you need semi-automatice weapons to hunt?". Then, when only organized crime memebers, and a few thugs have weapons, the responsible citizens will ask "why do we need firearms at all?"

It would be much safe for everyone, and for our liberties, if we "suffered" from not having enough gun laws, than having too many.

I think restriction should be cut back. Hell, in the 1930's it was legal to own a fully automatic firearm for most. I think that's how it should be today.

25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy. However, four out of five US murders are committed in the other half of the country: so who's crazy?"
-- Andrew Ford

Winx's photo
Tue 02/03/09 12:38 PM
Sorry, Drivinmenutz,

I like it if they can track every gun. That's how they solve the crimes.

franshade's photo
Tue 02/03/09 12:41 PM

Sorry, Drivinmenutz,

I like it if they can track every gun. That's how they solve the crimes.


Sorry winx, normally I'm with you, however, there is and will never be a way to track every single gun - especially with guns being brought from outside the US, home made weapons, etc. This will only hurt those law abiding citizens who wish to bear arms. Not fair in my eyes.

I like my privacy and dont want to lose it.


no photo
Tue 02/03/09 12:43 PM


Sorry, Drivinmenutz,

I like it if they can track every gun. That's how they solve the crimes.


Sorry winx, normally I'm with you, however, there is and will never be a way to track every single gun - especially with guns being brought from outside the US, home made weapons, etc. This will only hurt those law abiding citizens who wish to bear arms. Not fair in my eyes.

I like my privacy and dont want to lose it.




If they're law abiding citizens, how does gun registration hurt them?

Winx's photo
Tue 02/03/09 12:44 PM
Edited by Winx on Tue 02/03/09 12:54 PM


Sorry, Drivinmenutz,

I like it if they can track every gun. That's how they solve the crimes.


Sorry winx, normally I'm with you, however, there is and will never be a way to track every single gun - especially with guns being brought from outside the US, home made weapons, etc. This will only hurt those law abiding citizens who wish to bear arms. Not fair in my eyes.

I like my privacy and dont want to lose it.




Fran,

This is how I'm looking at it. What if someone breaks into your house and steals the gun. Then they kill someone with it and then kill another person at a later time. It would be good to be able to track that gun to prosecute the murders. They catch people like that all of the time.


franshade's photo
Tue 02/03/09 12:52 PM



Sorry, Drivinmenutz,

I like it if they can track every gun. That's how they solve the crimes.


Sorry winx, normally I'm with you, however, there is and will never be a way to track every single gun - especially with guns being brought from outside the US, home made weapons, etc. This will only hurt those law abiding citizens who wish to bear arms. Not fair in my eyes.

I like my privacy and dont want to lose it.




Fran,

This is how I'm looking at it. What if someone breaks into your house and steals the gun. Then they kill someone with it and then kill another person at a later time. It would be good to be able to track that gun to prosecute for the murders. They catch people like that all of the time.


I hear you Winx, but that's why I tried to steer clear of this thread, the "what if's" can kill ya
(laugh)

Opposite side of the coin - a gun (not my registered one) is used to kill 'a' and 'b' in two different locations, etc. My weapon is a completely different weapon and serial numbers are no way similar, what then? What if police come to investigate, officer is dyslexic, not having a good day, wrote down wrong inf, etc., and continues to inconvenience me with his investigation - fair??? should I just say thank you??? as a person I'd be annoyed and dismayed.

The truth is extremely important to me (die hard optimist) waving but I too value my privacy and my rights.

Give them up or just do nothing is like giving them away for free (jmo)

:wink:any new shoe sales:wink:


franshade's photo
Tue 02/03/09 12:57 PM



Sorry, Drivinmenutz,

I like it if they can track every gun. That's how they solve the crimes.


Sorry winx, normally I'm with you, however, there is and will never be a way to track every single gun - especially with guns being brought from outside the US, home made weapons, etc. This will only hurt those law abiding citizens who wish to bear arms. Not fair in my eyes.

I like my privacy and dont want to lose it.




If they're law abiding citizens, how does gun registration hurt them?


granted wrong verbage - registration is mandatory

point was in reference to privacy - right now it's sad how we are all a bunch of numbers to begin with. Our social security numbers, driver's license numbers, passport numbers, bank account numbers all have our lives information at the fingertips of others.

Might as well go all the way and insert chip in wrist. Track me without tracking me behind my back waving

Winx's photo
Tue 02/03/09 12:58 PM
Edited by Winx on Tue 02/03/09 01:00 PM
To Fran,

I see things in a city girl way.:wink:

Oh, boy, a dyslexic cop. How did he get in there? laugh All of those license plates to look at and all of that paperwork.scared

The biggest shoe sales that I've seen are Uggs boots and look a likes. They're dirt cheap right now.


franshade's photo
Tue 02/03/09 01:02 PM
City girl here too Winx but just see things differently.

I am glad I dont have to hunt for food (except for supermarket sales); but I will fight for my right to bear arms.

LOL, laugh it was a 'what if' scenario, the dyslexic cop :wink: reference.



Winx's photo
Tue 02/03/09 01:12 PM
I see no problem with the right to bear arms. I, also, see no problem with rules about it. The bad people made it have to be that way.

franshade's photo
Tue 02/03/09 01:15 PM

I see no problem with the right to bear arms. I, also, see no problem with rules about it. The bad people made it have to be that way.


flowers

franshade's photo
Tue 02/03/09 01:39 PM
Edited by franshade on Tue 02/03/09 01:40 PM


:laughing:

raiderfan_32's photo
Tue 02/03/09 02:50 PM
Edited by raiderfan_32 on Tue 02/03/09 02:53 PM



Sorry, Drivinmenutz,

I like it if they can track every gun. That's how they solve the crimes.


Sorry winx, normally I'm with you, however, there is and will never be a way to track every single gun - especially with guns being brought from outside the US, home made weapons, etc. This will only hurt those law abiding citizens who wish to bear arms. Not fair in my eyes.

I like my privacy and dont want to lose it.




If they're law abiding citizens, how does gun registration hurt them?


Ask the Jews in Polland and Nazi Germany how gun registration hurt them...

Oh wait, you can't.

They're dead.

Nazis used the pre-war gun registration rolls to track down every gun-owning privated citizen in Germany and Occupied Europe to round up every privately held weapon in the conquered territories.

Soon after followed the Night of Broken Glass and the utter subjegation of nearly every city, town and village under Nazi Rule.

The Berlin Police President, Count Wolf Heinrich von Helldorf, announced that as a result of a police activity in the last few weeks the entire Jewish population of Berlin had been "disarmed" with the confiscation of 2,569 hand weapons, 1,702 firearms and 20,000 rounds of ammunition. Any Jews still found in possession of weapons without valid licenses are threatened with the severest punishment.1

http://stephenhalbrook.com/registration_article/registration.html

1. New York Times, Nov. 9, 1938, 24




Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 02/03/09 03:24 PM

Sorry, Drivinmenutz,

I like it if they can track every gun. That's how they solve the crimes.


That is unconstitutional. No gun registration. If registration laws are made citizens should turn to other means of purchasing firearms. The unsolved crimes are horrible, but they are not worth the potential hazzards to liberty. Worth the risk.

Before hitler banned firearms the first thing he did he made registration a requirement. This act should be fought and not allowed.

Maine, thankfully does not require you register.

This is something soldiers have vowed to defend with their lives.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 02/03/09 03:26 PM



Sorry, Drivinmenutz,

I like it if they can track every gun. That's how they solve the crimes.


Sorry winx, normally I'm with you, however, there is and will never be a way to track every single gun - especially with guns being brought from outside the US, home made weapons, etc. This will only hurt those law abiding citizens who wish to bear arms. Not fair in my eyes.

I like my privacy and dont want to lose it.




Fran,

This is how I'm looking at it. What if someone breaks into your house and steals the gun. Then they kill someone with it and then kill another person at a later time. It would be good to be able to track that gun to prosecute the murders. They catch people like that all of the time.




Actually, it only works if you buy a gun and murder with it. If someone steals your firearm, there is no way of tracing it. They will only know the murders were committed using a weapon previously owned by you. Not worth it

Winx's photo
Tue 02/03/09 04:54 PM


I see no problem with the right to bear arms. I, also, see no problem with rules about it. The bad people made it have to be that way.


flowers


smooched flowerforyou

Winx's photo
Tue 02/03/09 04:54 PM



:laughing:


Don't do it!!! Don't shoot the computer!!!