Topic: This is why I hate guns.
Winx's photo
Mon 02/02/09 07:52 PM



He comes back every year?


I can only guess it's the same one.


He's a family pet.bigsmile

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Mon 02/02/09 07:55 PM

laws only work for those that are willing to obey them, making these people more powerless to those who choose not to.

More importantly, civil liberties are much more important than safety my friend. Our forefathers believed this. Anyone who doesn't needs a reality check....badly. The 2nd amendment is part of our bill of rights, weight barely second against the freedom of speech. It's weighed more important than our right to trial by jury, or the prohibition of illegal searches and seizures.

You SHOULD be wondering WHY our forefathers viewed this right as being so important. The answer is simple. Every consitutional right given to us was to protect us from tyranny. When we start letting these rights be overridden we are allowing ourselves to be controlled. The 2nd amendment was to protect us from a government that wants to forceably control its citizens. Its so when a group of corrupt cops want to rape your wife you can defend her with your arms. Or when a dictator like Hitler takes over, and tries to round people up and put them in concetration camps "we the people" can fight back.


That says it all for me. One might see that as paranoid, but I do not, people are not always what you might wish them to be...Anyone thinking their government wouldn't do something like that is seriously naive. Just ask other people in other countries.

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Mon 02/02/09 07:58 PM
:heart: :cry: prayer's are going out to the familyflowerforyou and gun's dont kill pepole pepole kill they are the one's in control,it's in their hand's and yes it might have been a accident that could ahve been prevented if parent's would pay more attn to the children and teach them how dangerous they are.i grew up with gun's but was taught about them and they were under lock and key

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Mon 02/02/09 08:06 PM

For those of you who own guns, what kind of training/how much was required when you bought one?


When I bought mine, there was a waiting period of course, but there was no training required, but I chose to get some training at the local police firing range, and got some sort if certificate, can't remember exactly what it said, have it somewhere. It's always good to get training and tips, I think the gun shop I bought mine at told me the best place to get the training.

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Mon 02/02/09 08:09 PM









QUICK!! SHOOT IT!!!

Winx's photo
Mon 02/02/09 08:11 PM
They're not in my area.laugh

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Mon 02/02/09 08:17 PM

If for some bizarre reason Obama would touch guns, the Supreme Court of the United States would not let him.

I'm not scared.

Btw, I have no problem with gun laws.


I agree...

I think it would have to be bizare for him to do that. You can say what you will about Obama but stupid he is not. I think more than the supreme court would stop him, the people would be outraged and I along with them.

deke's photo
Tue 02/03/09 07:20 AM


If for some bizarre reason Obama would touch guns, the Supreme Court of the United States would not let him.

I'm not scared.

Btw, I have no problem with gun laws.


I agree...

I think it would have to be bizare for him to do that. You can say what you will about Obama but stupid he is not. I think more than the supreme court would stop him, the people would be outraged and I along with them.

we have so many gun laws it's ridiculous!!!obama is going to add more just wait and see.
what would happen if American citizens had to defend themselves?
hope you already have a gun and ammo

no photo
Tue 02/03/09 07:37 AM



If for some bizarre reason Obama would touch guns, the Supreme Court of the United States would not let him.

I'm not scared.

Btw, I have no problem with gun laws.


I agree...

I think it would have to be bizare for him to do that. You can say what you will about Obama but stupid he is not. I think more than the supreme court would stop him, the people would be outraged and I along with them.

we have so many gun laws it's ridiculous!!!obama is going to add more just wait and see.
what would happen if American citizens had to defend themselves?
hope you already have a gun and ammo


You say you're not paranoid, yet your posts say otherwise.

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Tue 02/03/09 07:39 AM



If for some bizarre reason Obama would touch guns, the Supreme Court of the United States would not let him.

I'm not scared.

Btw, I have no problem with gun laws.


I agree...

I think it would have to be bizare for him to do that. You can say what you will about Obama but stupid he is not. I think more than the supreme court would stop him, the people would be outraged and I along with them.

we have so many gun laws it's ridiculous!!!obama is going to add more just wait and see.
what would happen if American citizens had to defend themselves?
hope you already have a gun and ammo


Sorry deke, I don't live my life in a state of perpetual panic. If I could survive through two terms of the Bush, I can handle this president.


deke's photo
Tue 02/03/09 07:50 AM




If for some bizarre reason Obama would touch guns, the Supreme Court of the United States would not let him.

I'm not scared.

Btw, I have no problem with gun laws.


I agree...

I think it would have to be bizare for him to do that. You can say what you will about Obama but stupid he is not. I think more than the supreme court would stop him, the people would be outraged and I along with them.

we have so many gun laws it's ridiculous!!!obama is going to add more just wait and see.
what would happen if American citizens had to defend themselves?
hope you already have a gun and ammo


Sorry deke, I don't live my life in a state of perpetual panic. If I could survive through two terms of the Bush, I can handle this president.


i don't either, but it seems very few want to except what could happen.everyone just brushes it off but we are much closer to that reality than most want to addmitt

Winx's photo
Tue 02/03/09 07:54 AM



If for some bizarre reason Obama would touch guns, the Supreme Court of the United States would not let him.

I'm not scared.

Btw, I have no problem with gun laws.


I agree...

I think it would have to be bizare for him to do that. You can say what you will about Obama but stupid he is not. I think more than the supreme court would stop him, the people would be outraged and I along with them.

we have so many gun laws it's ridiculous!!!obama is going to add more just wait and see.
what would happen if American citizens had to defend themselves?
hope you already have a gun and ammo


What bad guns laws do you think that we have now? No machine guns...wait for ID clearance, etc. Is that what you're talking about?

deke's photo
Tue 02/03/09 07:58 AM
we should be entitled to have whatever type of gun or bomb we want to.why is it that the gov wants to tell us what we can and cann't have?they can make and test weapons but we cann't why? IT'S CALLED CONTROL
CONTROL is the bottom line you have to be blind not to see this

Lynann's photo
Tue 02/03/09 08:02 AM
Someone should not be able to walk out of a mental hospital and go buy a gun and ammunition. Convicted felons should not own guns either.

In some states that is possible.

When groups like the NRA oppose any gun legislation they are making a real mistake I think.

I live in Michigan where we have a waiting period for handgun purchases. CC permits are available after a class as well. I know several people who carry daily. I think it's fair to say just based on personal experience that among my friends and neighbors most if not all of us own guns.

The waiting period has not been an issue for anyone I know.

Reasonable gun laws like our waiting period differ greatly from unreasonable ones like D.C. which you all know was struck down by the SCOTUS in a decision that confirmed a citizens right to own a gun.

The NRA in opposing reasonable gun laws does little for safety, contributes nothing to the debate, creates an us versus them mentality, and makes gun owners look like nuts.




deke's photo
Tue 02/03/09 08:16 AM

Someone should not be able to walk out of a mental hospital and go buy a gun and ammunition. Convicted felons should not own guns either.

In some states that is possible.

When groups like the NRA oppose any gun legislation they are making a real mistake I think.

I live in Michigan where we have a waiting period for handgun purchases. CC permits are available after a class as well. I know several people who carry daily. I think it's fair to say just based on personal experience that among my friends and neighbors most if not all of us own guns.

The waiting period has not been an issue for anyone I know.

Reasonable gun laws like our waiting period differ greatly from unreasonable ones like D.C. which you all know was struck down by the SCOTUS in a decision that confirmed a citizens right to own a gun.

The NRA in opposing reasonable gun laws does little for safety, contributes nothing to the debate, creates an us versus them mentality, and makes gun owners look like nuts.




why does the gov have the right to take our rights away?
if a woman leaves a mental hospital because her husband drove her nuts and terrified her to death. shouldn't she have the right to own a gun? or if you drink and drive crash your car and accidently kill someone.why cann't you own a gun.
land of the free huh? i don't think so!!

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Tue 02/03/09 08:21 AM
Edited by raiderfan_32 on Tue 02/03/09 08:23 AM

Someone should not be able to walk out of a mental hospital and go buy a gun and ammunition. Convicted felons should not own guns either.

In some states that is possible.

When groups like the NRA oppose any gun legislation they are making a real mistake I think.

I live in Michigan where we have a waiting period for handgun purchases. CC permits are available after a class as well. I know several people who carry daily. I think it's fair to say just based on personal experience that among my friends and neighbors most if not all of us own guns.

The waiting period has not been an issue for anyone I know.

Reasonable gun laws like our waiting period differ greatly from unreasonable ones like D.C. which you all know was struck down by the SCOTUS in a decision that confirmed a citizens right to own a gun.

The NRA in opposing reasonable gun laws does little for safety, contributes nothing to the debate, creates an us versus them mentality, and makes gun owners look like nuts.



Reasonable? what's that??

Mental patients and convicted felons are not allowed to legally buy a weapon. If you know a gun shop that's selling to either class of persons you need to call the BATFE.

So no, in no state is it possible.

Any time you go and buy a gun you have to fill out a 4473. This is a Federal form and includes questions about criminal history, mental status, residency status etc.

This form is check by a federal database and lying on it for any reason is a FELONY. Futhermore, buying and selling a gun between individuals still must go through a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) where filling out this form is again required.

which states is it you're talking about that allows purchase by convicted felons and mental patients?? Again, if you know a gun shop that's allowing purchase by either or both these classes of people you need to call the ATF..

So no, people are not allowed to walk out of a Mental hosptial or penetentiary and into a gun store and buy a gun... I don't know where you're getting that...

raiderfan_32's photo
Tue 02/03/09 08:28 AM
Edited by raiderfan_32 on Tue 02/03/09 08:29 AM
Let me clarify.. If you've been found by a court to be mentally deficient, you are not allowed purchase or possesion of a firearm.

There may be instances where a person has gone to a mental hospital wherein the above condition has not been met. I don't know.

But a person who is found to be mentally deficent, substance dependent, or convicted of felony is NOT allowed to purchase a gun legally. Selling a firearm to such an individual is a FELONY and will get a dealer's FFL revoked.

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Tue 02/03/09 08:45 AM

or if you drink and drive crash your car and accidently kill someone.why cann't you own a gun.



Really? It's against the law for someone to sell them a gun.

Fanta46's photo
Tue 02/03/09 08:50 AM





If for some bizarre reason Obama would touch guns, the Supreme Court of the United States would not let him.

I'm not scared.

Btw, I have no problem with gun laws.


I agree...

I think it would have to be bizare for him to do that. You can say what you will about Obama but stupid he is not. I think more than the supreme court would stop him, the people would be outraged and I along with them.

we have so many gun laws it's ridiculous!!!obama is going to add more just wait and see.
what would happen if American citizens had to defend themselves?
hope you already have a gun and ammo


Sorry deke, I don't live my life in a state of perpetual panic. If I could survive through two terms of the Bush, I can handle this president.


i don't either, but it seems very few want to except what could happen.everyone just brushes it off but we are much closer to that reality than most want to addmitt


The President can not over-rule this...

The Supreme Court Rules That the Second Amendment Means What It Says
June 27, 2008 01:38 PM ET | Michael Barone |
The Supreme Court on June 26 ruled that the Second Amendment to the Constitution confers, as it says, a right to keep and bear arms and that the District of Columbia law effectively prohibiting the possession of handguns by most citizens is unconstitutional.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/6/27/the-supreme-court-rules-that-the-second-amendment-means-what-it-says.html

raiderfan_32's photo
Tue 02/03/09 08:54 AM
Edited by raiderfan_32 on Tue 02/03/09 08:55 AM


The President can not over-rule this...

The Supreme Court Rules That the Second Amendment Means What It Says
June 27, 2008 01:38 PM ET | Michael Barone |
The Supreme Court on June 26 ruled that the Second Amendment to the Constitution confers, as it says, a right to keep and bear arms and that the District of Columbia law effectively prohibiting the possession of handguns by most citizens is unconstitutional.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/6/27/the-supreme-court-rules-that-the-second-amendment-means-what-it-says.html



It was a 5-4 decision. Let's not forget that. Frighteningly close and a hair's breadth from being 5-4 against.