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Sorry, Drivinmenutz, I like it if they can track every gun. That's how they solve the crimes. Sorry winx, normally I'm with you, however, there is and will never be a way to track every single gun - especially with guns being brought from outside the US, home made weapons, etc. This will only hurt those law abiding citizens who wish to bear arms. Not fair in my eyes. I like my privacy and dont want to lose it. Fran, This is how I'm looking at it. What if someone breaks into your house and steals the gun. Then they kill someone with it and then kill another person at a later time. It would be good to be able to track that gun to prosecute the murders. They catch people like that all of the time. Actually, it only works if you buy a gun and murder with it. If someone steals your firearm, there is no way of tracing it. They will only know the murders were committed using a weapon previously owned by you. Not worth it I still like registration. |
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Wed 02/04/09 12:54 AM
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Sorry, Drivinmenutz, I like it if they can track every gun. That's how they solve the crimes. Sorry winx, normally I'm with you, however, there is and will never be a way to track every single gun - especially with guns being brought from outside the US, home made weapons, etc. This will only hurt those law abiding citizens who wish to bear arms. Not fair in my eyes. I like my privacy and dont want to lose it. Fran, This is how I'm looking at it. What if someone breaks into your house and steals the gun. Then they kill someone with it and then kill another person at a later time. It would be good to be able to track that gun to prosecute the murders. They catch people like that all of the time. Actually, it only works if you buy a gun and murder with it. If someone steals your firearm, there is no way of tracing it. They will only know the murders were committed using a weapon previously owned by you. Not worth it I still like registration. You can, and i support that. As long as you don't try and pass legislation for it.  
Registration is a dangerous step towards something much worse than death. Got something else for you to contemplate... What if, we all volunteered to have chips implanted in us, so we can be tracked. There is nothing for "law abiding citizens" to hide so there would be no harm, right? Hell you could even put your banking info on there to prevent theft, make wallets obselete, etc. Here's the kicker... If a crime was commited police could track who was in the area and when. This would make it much easier to solve crimes wouldn't it? It would make life simpler, and safer from violent street crimes. But the cost would be too great. This is how i view gun registration. It all falls under the same catagory. I don't want anyone to know if i have firearms, or how many. One day someone might try to collect them. If i could simply deny having these firearms then i would be safe (more or less). But if they are registered, they have proof of people's firearms, then people would be forced to defend these firearms. See where i am going? It's all about the big picture and what the ultimate goal is. Freedom takes priority, even before safety... |
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Edited by
transientmind
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Wed 02/04/09 02:39 AM
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Sure, pass laws. Poisoning people is illegal too, doesn't stop 'em.
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Sorry, Drivinmenutz, I like it if they can track every gun. That's how they solve the crimes. Sorry winx, normally I'm with you, however, there is and will never be a way to track every single gun - especially with guns being brought from outside the US, home made weapons, etc. This will only hurt those law abiding citizens who wish to bear arms. Not fair in my eyes. I like my privacy and dont want to lose it. Fran, This is how I'm looking at it. What if someone breaks into your house and steals the gun. Then they kill someone with it and then kill another person at a later time. It would be good to be able to track that gun to prosecute the murders. They catch people like that all of the time. Actually, it only works if you buy a gun and murder with it. If someone steals your firearm, there is no way of tracing it. They will only know the murders were committed using a weapon previously owned by you. Not worth it I still like registration. http://www.kypost.com/content/wcposhared/story/Old-Style-Zip-Gun-May-Be-On-The-Comeback/5MAhgYb5tk-oXFClGVb0lg.cspx I'm starting to agree with Chris Rock, legalize guns but tax bullets all to h*ll. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJGcrUk2eE |
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I guess the 'make bullets expensive' idea works in theory. But 1) a good many shooters don't even use factory ammo. they make their own 2) stockpiling ammunition is not hard. with a call to a supplier and a few hundred dollars, you can buy ammo by the case in whatever caliber you like. 3) ammunition keeps for years, decades even.
It's really not hard to manufacture your own ammo. with a few hundred dollars in equipment and material, you're in business. people have been stockpiling primers and powder for years, enough to keep them in ammo for decades. Just a case in point that no matter what laws you pass, there is always going to be a way around it and people willing to do it. When the japanese outlawed the samurai and the carrying of samurai swords, sword makers began making swords to look like ordinadry canes. So no matter what walls you erect to keep law abiding people in check, there will always be ways around them and people to find them. All that will be accomplished is to criminalise free people for exercising their rights. |
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I guess the 'make bullets expensive' idea works in theory. But 1) a good many shooters don't even use factory ammo. they make their own 2) stockpiling ammunition is not hard. with a call to a supplier and a few hundred dollars, you can buy ammo by the case in whatever caliber you like. 3) ammunition keeps for years, decades even. It's really not hard to manufacture your own ammo. with a few hundred dollars in equipment and material, you're in business. people have been stockpiling primers and powder for years, enough to keep them in ammo for decades. Just a case in point that no matter what laws you pass, there is always going to be a way around it and people willing to do it. When the japanese outlawed the samurai and the carrying of samurai swords, sword makers began making swords to look like ordinadry canes. So no matter what walls you erect to keep law abiding people in check, there will always be ways around them and people to find them. All that will be accomplished is to criminalise free people for exercising their rights. There are always people that go around the laws. You're not supposed to steal from stores, they do it. You're not supposed to forge checks, they do it. Etc. That doesn't mean that you take away the laws. |
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Edited by
raiderfan_32
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Wed 02/04/09 11:06 AM
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That wasn't my point. I was trying to demonstrate that attempting to take guns away from people by limiting access to or availability of ammunition is not realistic.
Draconian restrictions on firearm possesion only works in the favor of the criminal. You can play the 'what if', the 'I wish' and the 'wouldn't it be nice if' games all you want but there's no way around that very basic fact. Guns exist. There's no closing Pandora's Box. Of course, laws are vital to a functioning society but so is liberty. You can't ensure the safety by enacting ever more restrictive laws on free people in an attempt to do so. Of course, it's nice and comforting to sit and contemplate a world without guns or violence or stubbed toes. But the reality of the world is that mean people exist (I hesitate to use the term 'evil' because I don't want to get into a religious debate) and so, there exists a need for free people to defend themselves against the transgressions of such people. take, for instance, the example where guns are forbidden, like schools and universities. Does the sign on the way into campus that declares the premises a "Gun Free Zone" keep someone bent of homicide from ambling in and opening fire on students studying in the library? No.. all that sign does is make people feel warm and fuzzy and offers little more than the illusion of safety. when was the last time you saw someone shoot up an NRA meeting? An armed society is a polite society. 
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