I read a wide variety of viewpoints but choose to
cite the most interesting and under-reported ones.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mftoc.html

is just a fantastic site! and needs to be read
more widely imo. i understand the other side of
the issue - i just think it is obviously silly
in many respects - like your assertion that israel
didn't exist prior to 1948.

what is so hard to understand about israel defending
her citizens against missile attacks as the US did
against Bin Laden? it is very easy to understand.
israel could not tolerate continued rocket attacks,
hamas would not stop, israel had to take the weapons
out of their hands.

Organizational Affiliations:
Begin, in the period of his life dedicated to guerrilla activities, was affiliated with an organization called the Irgun Zvai Leumi (National Military Organization), which he led from 1944 until 1948. Revisionist Zionists who believed that a militant attitude and terrorist activities were legitimate ways to achieve their political objectives founded the Irgun in 1931. They may be seen in much the same light as other groups who have used terrorist tactics to oust a foreign occupier.


Good for the Goose is good for the Gander!
Palestinians learned from the best!

Fact!

Israel is an illegal terrorist state.
Formed by terrorists and ruled by terrorists.

Glen....why are you so rigidly opposed to doing EXACTLY what you are demanding of others????

I don't understand your behaviours... and wonder if this helps elevate your heart rate... by having an argument/debate.... is it cold where you are? Does this help keep you warm? Having the mind in an agressive defensive state... has the neurons firing?

The Jewish Virtual Library, if you read the about us section, is a web-site designed by the Israeli Gov. Its target is the American People. Its objective is to spread propaganda to the American Christians in an attempt to get Americans to support their cause!
It is one of the most bias sites you can visit and I could spend hours showing you the contradictions between their account of events and historical accounts.
Some even contradicting their own gov investigations!
They rely on the blind and misinformed who will not search any further for the facts!

And what are you smoking today! Your post doesnt make sense!
LMAO
Im a Catholic American, who just goes by facts. If you cant take them, Smoke some more and return to your fantasies!!!

Huh?

Why are you being so nasty?

Glen....why are you so rigidly opposed to doing EXACTLY what you are demanding of others???? (look at both sides, objectively)

I don't understand your behaviours... and wonder if this helps elevate your heart rate... (by having an argument/debate)

.... is it cold where you are? (I don't live where you do, to know how cold it might be there...)

Does this help keep you warm? (Elevated heart rate flushes blood to the surface, and warms one)

Having the mind in an agressive defensive state... has the neurons firing?

(We can feel more alive when we have that surge of adrenalin, often when in a defensive state)

I don't understand why you have to be so horrible, when I asked genuine questions, as to your well being..

MYTH

"The Irgun bombed the King David Hotel as part of a terror campaign against civilians."
FACT

The King David Hotel was the site of the British military command and the British Criminal Investigation Division. The Irgun chose it as a target after British troops invaded the Jewish Agency June 29, 1946, and confiscated large quantities of documents. At about the same time, more than 2,500 Jews from all over Palestine were placed under arrest. The information about Jewish Agency operations, including intelligence activities in Arab countries, was taken to the King David Hotel.

A week later, news of a massacre of 40 Jews in a pogrom in Poland reminded the Jews of Palestine how Britain's restrictive immigration policy had condemned thousands to death.

Irgun leader Menachem Begin stressed his desire to avoid civilian casualties. In fact, the plan was to warn the British so they would evacuate the building before it was blown up. Three telephone calls were placed, one to the hotel, another to the French Consulate, and a third to the Palestine Post, warning that explosives in the King David Hotel would soon be detonated.

kingdavbomb.jpg (9926 bytes) On July 22, 1946, the calls were made. The call into the hotel was apparently received and ignored. Begin quotes one British official who supposedly refused to evacuate the building, saying: "We don't take orders from the Jews."42 As a result, when the bombs exploded, the casualty toll was high: a total of 91 killed and 45 injured. Among the casualties were 15 Jews. Few people in the hotel proper were injured by the blast.43

In contrast to Arab attacks against Jews, which were widely hailed by Arab leaders as heroic actions, the Jewish National Council denounced the bombing of the King David.44

For decades the British denied they had been warned. In 1979, however, a member of the British Parliament introduced evidence that the Irgun had indeed issued the warning. He offered the testimony of a British officer who heard other officers in the King David Hotel bar joking about a Zionist threat to the headquarters. The officer who overheard the conversation immediately left the hotel and survived.45

from

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf2.html#h


and, here is the link to the section About JVL

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/intro.html

I've never seen anyone bash the USA here, just some of the GVMT's behavior. We are supposed to be the GVMT, but frequently things get screwed up, then the people complain, and try to get it resolved. That doesn't mean that they hate America. It means they LOVE America, and want to keep it in tip top shape

Agree with you wholeheartedly. I love America, and believe that we need to look closer at the employment contract between The People and the government.

Just because the government had committed some crimes while being employed by the people, doesn't mean the people are guilty of the crime. They may be guilty of not holding the leash tight enough, but they can surely make this less likely to happen again in the future, by hiring different set of bureaucrats.

I guess you can't read too well either... I also served. You have no more rights than anyone else & your assumptions are just that, nothing more.

It's a shame to have to spell everything out. (geez)

I don't think its right for a country to mislead its closest ally that way. What kind of friend does that?

a friend that is a USER

What branch? what job, this I find hard to believe

See what I mean.
Your posts make no sense!
I know what is written in the "about us" section of the Jewish virtual web-site because I have visited it many times. Likewise, I know many of their tales are contradictory because I have seen the contradictions in viewing British Gov accounts and the Israeli investigating committee's own findings in print!
Do you now expect me to tell anything but the truth about such a propaganda web-site as the Jewish virtual library?
Give me a break! A lie yesterday is a lie today. Why should I read more propaganda. FOX news gives me enough. Dont ya think?

Seems to be that way.If they want us on their side so bad then they should at least tell the whole truth and not try to mislead people.

At the end of the day, I think the term "AntiSemite" is in the same boat with alot of other words that have negative impacts. They are being used more for a cover than anything else.

So far, I've been hit with the rascist word, because I don't support Obama and and AntiSemite because I don't support massacre and occupation.


Labeling just seems foolish to me.

I would be a lot more supportive of Israel if they weren't trying to manipulate the American people.I started noticing this several years ago (in the news media and the evangelical community).A friend should be straight with another friend if they need help and not try to manipulate and decieve to get what they want.

It is this reason, MirrorMirror, that I was always suspicious about Israel. IMHO, they aren't true friend. They are simply using America.

Funny, I do notice that in real life too. Some people are so disgusting, they are trying to use even those they consider friends. I cut them off right away. Bad friend lost is a good thing.

Fanta for President!

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/194160